Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

[SirZubair]

I don't agree with what I call 'Whiners' either. The kind that are like 'oh, the West is so evil, everything it does is evil, EVERYTHING!... now let me go get my giro'

I live in the UK, and think some aspects of British life are bad for Muslims, but on the other hand, we are still allowed to practice our religion, women are allowed to cover their hair in public places if they wish, we are allowed to hold Islamic weddings, Sharia-compliant bank accounts.... The law is such that we are allowed to do anything provided it's not illegal - I mean, I could stand on my own table and start tap-dancing, but I won't get arrested unless I hit someone in the process.

True, the country is not governed by Sharia law. In that case, if one truly wishes to be governed by Sharia law, one must leave this country.

I don't think it's right to completely declare every single aspect of the West some sort of Islamic biohazard though. There are bad elements that Muslims should avoid, yes, but not every single element hinders our way of life.

Alhamdulilah... You're fast becoming my favourite poster here akhi.

Remember, wisdom is the lost property of the true believer...

Same - he seems to be a very reasonable fella' Allhumdulilah.

People,...everytime you are about to Complain about something,..tell yourself this :

"If someone complains about something,...yet in reality he doesnt have anything to complain about,..Allah s.w.t will give him something to complain about"

Allah s.w.t doesnt like whingers.

If you want to complain,complain to allah s.w.t in your duas,complain to your lord,the one who can do something about it.Dont do it online,..dont complain to your mates or wha'eva,..complain to allah.

Wa'salaam.

 

[SirZubair]

Salaam

I assume the people you speak to about jihad are muslims.

I have explained the concept of Jihad to close to a dozen non-muslims,even some christians and hindus.

I havent gotten into trouble.

I dont know who said this,..but i love this saying :

"99% of the time,its not the arguement that is the problem,it is the way the arguement is presented"

 

[strider]

Hello

Why do some Muslims still live in western societies when they oppose western governments and western ways of life?

I can’t understand why some who live in Britain/USA preach so much hatred for the countries they reside in.
I know some who preach this hatred are merely immature and misguide Muslims (imo) and many still to young to leave home but many of these still continue to live in western lands well after they become adult.

So if your living in a Western country and hate there ways what is your reason for staying and not leaving for a Muslim country?

I am not saying all Muslims hate living in the west

To be totally honest, i don't understand it either. It is a bit like Zarqawi wearing American tennis shoes in his videos whilst declaring war on the nation.

I am a Muslim, but i do not hate the West. Sure you will find some things in the society you reside in which you do not like at all, but i believe instead of concentrating on how bad society is, it is more constructive for us to concentrate on the good you can derive out of it and what good you can contribute in making it a better place for yourself and your children to reside in.

 

[x Maz x]

SubhanAllah Livin' it up in Medinah and Makkah Now bwoy that would be the life Woooooh Its a dream!...I'm a illegal imigrant so my chances of going there very slim...Muhahaha Nah jokes, anyone prying through this site ya can trace me down, really i aint honest My name is Mariya , 16 Years of age, Luton, Beds Lu3 1sh4sasdjhaksdhasdhaksdhkashd England Home number: 999 Muhahahaha i mean its ...for you to find out Peace! x

 

[imaad_udeen]

Alrite,fair enough,i might have gone too far.

But getting rid of him will be a start

Many things to be done,..but hey,..one dictator at a time ... :brother:

Bush will be gone in a couple of years and I doubt you will see any more invasions from America for a while. At least no large scale ones like Iraq.

Dubya has had a difficult presidency, I can't think of any other President who had to lead through a 9.11 type attack and then fight a war against a stateless enemy.

The closest I can think of is FDR during WW2, but he knew who the enemy was and where they could be found, Japan, Germany and Italy.

Lincoln had to endure the secession of the Southern states and then fight a long and very bloody war, but again, the enemy had a face and residence.

The current enemy is just about everywhere, the MIddle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, Europe and even in the US and Canada. Very trying times, indeed.

 

[imaad_udeen]

Hello



To be totally honest, i don't understand it either. It is a bit like Zarqawi wearing American tennis shoes in his videos whilst declaring war on the nation.

I am a Muslim, but i do not hate the West. Sure you will find some things in the society you reside in which you do not like at all, but i believe instead of concentrating on how bad society is, it is more constructive for us to concentrate on the good you can derive out of it and what good you can contribute in making it a better place for yourself and your children to reside in.

Mashallah, good post noble sister.

 

[Caliphate]

Just because the west gave few options to muslims such as living in their countries doesnt mean that I have love for the west. I hate it as I hate all other countries in the world as they all practice a corrupt and dark age man-made laws such as democracy and secularism which makes humanity suffer in all corners of the world from USA to Algeria and all the way around. I was rasied in the west, and indeed I am not thankfull to the corrupt west who plounder our resources and richness in our countries, and who made our parents imigrants who could not even defend their own rights in their homelands. I am not thankfull to those who kill my brothers and sisters in Palestine, chechnya, kashmir, Iraq and Afghanista. In one hand the corrupt and dirty west try to make muslims love their values and system by fulfilling few needs, and in another hand they kill, torture, rape and plounder our resources in our own lands under the rulings of the puppet regimes that they created in our lands. Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west. They burn our houses, rape our women, kill our men and plounder our lands, then our parents ran away from this misery and seeked a better life and a better future. But wallahi no muslim should be naive to think that the west has helped them in any matter, all my thanks belongs to Allah swt. the one who created me, and gave me an intellect to know between right and wrong, justice and injustice. Good and bad. And innocent and guilty. Indeed we are those who suffer from the crimes of the west day and night we see our homes and our honour being burned to the ground. Inshallah sooner or later the corrupt system and values of the west will be burned down, and Islam will prevail in all corners of the world. We will not do what they did, indeed we will save their people and call them to the good and forbid them their dirty culture and lifestyle. We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed. What we hate is the corrupt and failure systems of the west which are man-made, and indeed Islam only is the only system to secure the rights of all humanity and to bring justice , peace and security to the world. The west only brings injustice, hate, racism,killings and destruction to all corners of the world, from New Orleans, to Baghdad, From Kabul to England and all of the world. I call all those who are intellectuals to re-think about this fact and consider Islamic State to solve all the suffers and priblems humanity needs to be solved.

 

[*noor]

Clinton was just as evil.

i dont think so

 

[j4763]

Just because the west gave few options to muslims such as living in their countries doesnt mean that I have love for the west. I hate it as I hate all other countries in the world as they all practice a corrupt and dark age man-made laws such as democracy and secularism which makes humanity suffer in all corners of the world from USA to Algeria and all the way around. I was rasied in the west, and indeed I am not thankfull to the corrupt west who plounder our resources and richness in our countries, and who made our parents imigrants who could not even defend their own rights in their homelands. I am not thankfull to those who kill my brothers and sisters in Palestine, chechnya, kashmir, Iraq and Afghanista. In one hand the corrupt and dirty west try to make muslims love their values and system by fulfilling few needs, and in another hand they kill, torture, rape and plounder our resources in our own lands under the rulings of the puppet regimes that they created in our lands. Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west. They burn our houses, rape our women, kill our men and plounder our lands, then our parents ran away from this misery and seeked a better life and a better future. But wallahi no muslim should be naive to think that the west has helped them in any matter, all my thanks belongs to Allah swt. the one who created me, and gave me an intellect to know between right and wrong, justice and injustice. Good and bad. And innocent and guilty. Indeed we are those who suffer from the crimes of the west day and night we see our homes and our honour being burned to the ground. Inshallah sooner or later the corrupt system and values of the west will be burned down, and Islam will prevail in all corners of the world. We will not do what they did, indeed we will save their people and call them to the good and forbid them their dirty culture and lifestyle. We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed. What we hate is the corrupt and failure systems of the west which are man-made, and indeed Islam only is the only system to secure the rights of all humanity and to bring justice , peace and security to the world. The west only brings injustice, hate, racism,killings and destruction to all corners of the world, from New Orleans, to Baghdad, From Kabul to England and all of the world. I call all those who are intellectuals to re-think about this fact and consider Islamic State to solve all the suffers and priblems humanity needs to be solved.

I glad that not all Muslims think the way you do (i hope)

We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed.

Just loving that bit! :happy: :rollseyes

 

[R_Mujahed]

Dude... All the land is ALLAH's land and the muslims have inherted it! We can reside where we like! And the west is just getting a chance to enjoy power, do not worry we will be back soon InshaALLAh! Plus who said we hate the west? We do not hate the west! We just do not like your corrupt governments and your reasonings for how you think life should be lived out, plus those who hate Islam and fight Islam, and try to label it with evil (they will never be successful!)... I think some western countries need some Canada to rub off on them, eh, when it comes to war matters and keeping quiet, and not trying to control the world! Plus it is better for the west to draft beer, thn draft soldiers! Poor soldiers do not even know what they are fighting for!

 

[HeiGou]

Dude... All the land is ALLAH's land and the muslims have inherted it! We can reside where we like!

That's twice that claim has come up in the same week. May I ask you, if all land is God's land, and all Muslims have inherited it, and all Muslims can live where they like, is it possible for non-Muslims to legally and justly defend themselves against Muslim attack? Suppose some Muslim (but not Islamic) country attacked a non-Muslim country without reason or justification. Is that aggression considering that the non-Muslims do not own their country and it belongs to all Muslims?

And the west is just getting a chance to enjoy power, do not worry we will be back soon InshaALLAh! Plus who said we hate the west?

You previous three sentences seem to be doing a very good job of suggesting you hate the West. How would you interpret what you have just written?

We do not hate the west! We just do not like your corrupt governments and your reasonings for how you think life should be lived out,

Which is to say you hate the governments that represent us, our ideas and everything about us. But not us ourselves?

I think some western countries need some Canada to rub off on them, eh, when it comes to war matters and keeping quiet, and not trying to control the world! Plus it is better for the west to draft beer, thn draft soldiers! Poor soldiers do not even know what they are fighting for!

I disagree. The world is full of evil people and they need to be stopped. It is better to draft soldiers than beer. And all you have convinced me of is the need to make sure soldiers understand why they are fighting. Muslims have been like Canada for a long long time. We in the West have little experience of their views or what they want. Or the fact that at least one of them thinks that he owns Canada, not the Canadians. Perhaps we need more soldiers to spend more time talking to people like you and so have their values clarified for them?

 

[guyabano]

Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west. They burn our houses, rape our women, kill our men and plounder our lands, then our parents ran away from this misery and seeked a better life and a better future. We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed.

You say, the West, right! Am I guessing right, that you involve all western citizens? So this inculdes me too. So you INSULT me to rape your women, burn your houses...etc??

Well, shame on you for such rude words! And this is supposed to be a islamic forum of peace, and not spewing hatred against other people who are different than you !

We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed.

Now this one made my day ! ;D

 

[Khadeejah]

it is the goverment that sucks....point blank and some of its people do too....but from exprience and no offence to any one.....Majority of the racist comment or what ever come from caucasions....they seem to believe the America is their land...they were the first people here....NO SORRY.....ive got news....someone took a boat here...America is stolen and occupied land just like Palestines.......America and Israel should be related because How many native American reserves are there? they are soo small the natives of America are forced to live basically oncompounds...so to all those who wantto complain about people needing to go back to their country my question is .....WHY DONT YOU GO BACK TO YOURS??/

 

[Al-Zaara]

Salaam

What I'm saying Is I find it funny how a non-muslim could look down on muslims and critize their level of iman when they're not even muslim.

Oh, well I understand now... lol Didn't get why you got a bit angry but now I got it.
Yes, he's actually being a little bit offensive, but he said practice Islam.
You can have a tiny atom-like faith/imaan in your heart, still you are not practicing Islam.
There are those with faith but still aren't acting as true Muslims... You know.

 

[Bittersteel]

I lived in Bangladesh,Asia all my life.I don't like the west that much.

 

[Ghazi]

Oh, well I understand now... lol Didn't get why you got a bit angry but now I got it.
Yes, he's actually being a little bit offensive, but he said practice Islam.
You can have a tiny atom-like faith/imaan in your heart, still you are not practicing Islam.
There are those with faith but still aren't acting as true Muslims... You know.

Salaam

Yeah I understand, but someone who's in a worse situation iman wise can't comment of actaul belivers iman.

 

[twelver]

Dude... All the land is ALLAH's land and the muslims have inherted it! We can reside where we like! And the west is just getting a chance to enjoy power, do not worry we will be back soon InshaALLAh! Plus who said we hate the west? We do not hate the west! We just do not like your corrupt governments and your reasonings for how you think life should be lived out, plus those who hate Islam and fight Islam, and try to label it with evil (they will never be successful!)... I think some western countries need some Canada to rub off on them, eh, when it comes to war matters and keeping quiet, and not trying to control the world! Plus it is better for the west to draft beer, thn draft soldiers! Poor soldiers do not even know what they are fighting for!

Wow! Muslims have inherited all of the lands? Sorry, not here in America, friend. That's not how it works. Your warped vision of "muslim land" is quite at odds with the basis of global civilization, the nation state, and will cause more problems in the next century than will any western notion of land ownership/nationhood. And "our" "corrupt governments" ? I dare you to take a look at the islamic world, without pointing the finger at the west, and tell me if you see any less corrupt governments than in the west. I dare you. Be honest with yourself ... you have little perspective if all you can say is what you said above. You obviously have not travelled much have you?

 

[Khadeejah]

So r u saying that the muslim land is not civilized???? if so I highly doubt that!!!!

 

[Khaldun]

Off topic posts have been deleted, please stay on topic.

 

[MinAhlilHadeeth]

Just because the west gave few options to muslims such as living in their countries doesnt mean that I have love for the west. I hate it as I hate all other countries in the world as they all practice a corrupt and dark age man-made laws such as democracy and secularism which makes humanity suffer in all corners of the world from USA to Algeria and all the way around. I was rasied in the west, and indeed I am not thankfull to the corrupt west who plounder our resources and richness in our countries, and who made our parents imigrants who could not even defend their own rights in their homelands. I am not thankfull to those who kill my brothers and sisters in Palestine, chechnya, kashmir, Iraq and Afghanista. In one hand the corrupt and dirty west try to make muslims love their values and system by fulfilling few needs, and in another hand they kill, torture, rape and plounder our resources in our own lands under the rulings of the puppet regimes that they created in our lands. Wallahi I swear to Allah to whom my soul belongs to, I will never be thankfull or even my children, as all injustices going on in our lands are the fault of the west. They burn our houses, rape our women, kill our men and plounder our lands, then our parents ran away from this misery and seeked a better life and a better future. But wallahi no muslim should be naive to think that the west has helped them in any matter, all my thanks belongs to Allah swt. the one who created me, and gave me an intellect to know between right and wrong, justice and injustice. Good and bad. And innocent and guilty. Indeed we are those who suffer from the crimes of the west day and night we see our homes and our honour being burned to the ground. Inshallah sooner or later the corrupt system and values of the west will be burned down, and Islam will prevail in all corners of the world. We will not do what they did, indeed we will save their people and call them to the good and forbid them their dirty culture and lifestyle. We will bring the people of the west from the level of animal thinking to a higher level they never witnessed. What we hate is the corrupt and failure systems of the west which are man-made, and indeed Islam only is the only system to secure the rights of all humanity and to bring justice , peace and security to the world. The west only brings injustice, hate, racism,killings and destruction to all corners of the world, from New Orleans, to Baghdad, From Kabul to England and all of the world. I call all those who are intellectuals to re-think about this fact and consider Islamic State to solve all the suffers and priblems humanity needs to be solved.

Woah sis... you go girl!
And HeiGou said I was hard core....