Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

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Who said that? A muslim? Because living in some Muslim states is better than living in the West. Ofcourse there isn't really any real Muslim state around. But that's for us to change insha-Allah, may Allah give us the strength.
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Emir Aziz said:
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yes exactly and MashAllah our troops are ready.
The 3rd Mujahideen Infantry Corps compromising of the 11th and 26th and the 89th Mujahideen Infantry Divisions maybe moved from the Middle East to the European theater of war.
InshAllah bombs will rain on these kaffirs and we will InshAllah wipe them off the map and InshAllah Israel too and InshAllah establish the rule of Allah.
Allahu Akbar!!!!!!

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Don't you just love this religion of peace...ROFL ;D
 
He was being sarcastic. And why don't I just judge christianity by the KKK?! Don't you think you should apologise?
 
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I think BOTH brother Emir Aziz and Nicola should apologise.
The brother for saying things like that, making Islam look bad and Nicola for making fun of Islam. :rant:

I'm sure none of you wanted to say anything offensive but an apology would be mature and respectfully done.

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yes exactly and MashAllah our troops are ready.
The 3rd Mujahideen Infantry Corps compromising of the 11th and 26th and the 89th Mujahideen Infantry Divisions maybe moved from the Middle East to the European theater of war.
InshAllah bombs will rain on these kaffirs and we will InshAllah wipe them off the map and InshAllah Israel too and InshAllah establish the rule of Allah.
Allahu Akbar!!!!!!
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here is a pic of a member of the 3rd Mujahideen Infantry Corps anti-tank training.

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Aafreen said:
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I think BOTH brother Emir Aziz and Nicola should apologise.
The brother for saying things like that, making Islam look bad and Nicola for making fun of Islam. :rant:

I'm sure none of you wanted to say anything offensive but an apology would be mature and respectfully done.

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Nicola did say: I believe the idea is to spread Islam and gradually change the west. Noone has denied her claim. Others like Mizan Aliasharaf and Mu'minah posted about bringing change to west via Islam. In all due respect such a notion is offensive or scary to many western people.

The topic of this thread is "Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?" IMO comments about changing western societies to accomodate Islam are threatening (to nonmuslim westerners). Unfortunately the differences between Islam and other religions can't be overcome via peaceful means (hence Nicola's sarcastic comment about "religion of peace").

I'm not saying that Islam isn't meant to be peaceful, or always violent. Instead I'm trying to say that Islam sometimes needs to bend a bit in order to respect the principles of western society. If muslims feel that compromising such beliefs are against their principles then they would probably be better off in countries with large muslim populations. Let's face it, no one wants to change their principles. Muslims don't want to change their principles and nonmuslims in the West don't want to change theirs. I think the main emphasis should be placed on PEACE. If someone is a minority in a country and their beliefs can't be practiced peacefully then I say relocate.
 
So why are the west trying to change Muslim countries? And it will change... not necessarily by violent means.
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
So why are the west trying to change Muslim countries? And it will change... not necessarily by violent means.
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You make a good point. Perhaps the west tries to change Muslim countries out of fear. Maybe they are scared of how the growth of Islam will affect their democracies.

Maybe the west has what they believe to be legitimate reasons to change Muslim countries. Some westerners get frustrated with human rights violations, terrorism, etc...

Maybe if a western country give foreign aid to a Muslim country they consider themselves "entitled".

Maybe corporations within western countries want to exploit the resources of Muslim countries.
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
So why are the west trying to change Muslim countries? And it will change... not necessarily by violent means.
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Well because by and large the West is uninterested in changing Muslim countries. They do not care what happens in Muslim countries except under extreme provocation - attacks like 9-11 for instance. And because the West knows something about some things. About how to create rich, free and prosperous societies where human rights are, by and large, respected. That is worth teaching other people. You don't think that there is anything in the West Muslims need to learn?
 
You make a good point. Perhaps the west tries to change Muslim countries out of fear. Maybe they are scared of how the growth of Islam will affect their democracies.

Maybe the west has what they believe to be legitimate reasons to change Muslim countries. Some westerners get frustrated with human rights violations, terrorism, etc...

Maybe if a western country give foreign aid to a Muslim country they consider themselves "entitled".

Maybe corporations within western countries want to exploit the resources of Muslim countries
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Or maybe certain Western dudes think Islam is the new Communism.

Little do they know that we hate Commies as much as them. A doctor earning the same amount as a janitor? C'mon man! You know how many Muslim doctors there are? :p
 
Aafreen said:
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I think BOTH brother Emir Aziz and Nicola should apologise.
The brother for saying things like that, making Islam look bad and Nicola for making fun of Islam. :rant:

I'm sure none of you wanted to say anything offensive but an apology would be mature and respectfully done.

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I dont see any reason for them to apoligise,especially Emir Aziz.

Even though he was being sarcastic,there is truth in it.

For example,as shaykh hamza yusuf said in one of his lectures,during the time he was mauritania,one day a plane flew by and one of the shaykhs started cursing "god bring down that plane and get rid of the kufr..."

And so shaykh hamza said to him "Shaykh...i am one of the people that travels on those planes"

And so the shaykh said "..dont worry,nothing will happen to the plane when you are traveling in it.."

(lol,that story always cracks me up)

But yeah,like i said,even though he was being sarcastic,there is alot of truth in it.

So i say Nay,you owe no1 an apology.
 
You make a good point. Perhaps the west tries to change Muslim countries out of fear. Maybe they are scared of how the growth of Islam will affect their democracies.
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I often wonder (To Myself) how much trouble the world would be in right now if the oil producing countries of the middle east were far more stable than they actually are.

We can talk rights and wrongs and of values until the cows come home. Countries (especially the US) who has an economy built on oil have a need for what these countries have, is it nieve to think perhaps small countries with a lot of oil can bully the US or is the US the bully? Personally, I would be inclined to agree that the US is somewhat of a bully. But then again, looking at the history of the US they did manage to achieve a great nation by uniting it's states where the middle east is broken up to smaller individual countries. Take the development of the EU as another example of countries coming together to form a big state.

As oil begins to deplete in the world, confrontation in my mind is inevitable. If I had a wish It would probably be a world without Oil and the West could simply walk away from the middle east and leave it to it's own fate. the reality we live in just does not allow for this. And yes when it comes down to it, I would rarther place my trust in the US than Iran for example.

Religion is just a game of chess to the big guys, and your all just a pawn caught in belief and a method of control. The president of Iran or the US won't say go fight for me, they would rarther say go fight for God!
 
root said:
Religion is just a game of chess to the big guys, and your all just a pawn caught in belief and a method of control. The president of Iran or the US won't say go fight for me, they would rarther say go fight for God!
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well, we'll see insha allah what ahppens when thr truth comes back..
 
root said:
As oil begins to deplete in the world, confrontation in my mind is inevitable. If I had a wish It would probably be a world without Oil and the West could simply walk away from the middle east and leave it to it's own fate. the reality we live in just does not allow for this. And yes when it comes down to it, I would rarther place my trust in the US than Iran for example.
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Confrontation is not inevitable. Alternatives to oil begin to become competitive at about $50-60 a barrel. Shale oil for instance. Canada is known to have as much as Saudi Arabia. Venezuela the same. Converting from coal for another. The fact is as oil starts to run out the price will go up and the alternatives will start to come on line. Canadian shale oil is getting cheaper all the time due to the technology improving.

The day will come fairly soon when the West will be able to walk away from the Middle East. However that is not really a solution as the problems of the Middle East repeatedly spill into the West. So I think the evitable solution is the Sharon Plan but on a grander scale. People will build fences to keep the Muslims out. And as many Muslims will be moved from one side of the fence to the other as possible. That would stop terrorism in the West. I still do not think this is a sensible solution, but having heard a couple of Western Muslims praise Zarqawi here this morning I am not as opposed to it as I used to be.
 
People will build fences to keep the Muslims out. And as many Muslims will be moved from one side of the fence to the other as possible. That would stop terrorism in the West. I still do not think this is a sensible solution, but having heard a couple of Western Muslims praise Zarqawi here this morning I am not as opposed to it as I used to be.
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I can see this happening also..but firstly I do believe there will be a clash somewhere along the way...thoughtout all of europe, the tension is building up daily.

What it boils down to is where a Muslims alligence lies...I know that has been made very clear with some Muslims on this forum...but how great is this threat throughout europe..to our national sercurity.
 
Blah blah blah, the war on terror is the biggest joke since the war on drugs.

And really, it has little to do with the topic at hand.
 

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