Why do you live in the West if you hate it so?

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for sum living in dis country is not up to their decision, i dont personally mind dis country however, wen i finish uni, i' gonna travel around da world and see where i lyk it!
 
Greetings,
Rou said:
this isnt about hating the west its the ideals that come from the west...just ebacuse i dont beleive in the goverments way of thinking does not mean i will leave. instead i will tell the people the truth about the ones who lead them and spread the word about the truth that they unleash in there name in the middle east...
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Lots of Westerners object to the way their governments act too. The recent and ongoing war in Iraq is the least popular war of modern times. During the leadup to it, Britain experienced the largest mass protests in its history.

people who are white and black have a problem with the way the west acts around the world will you tell them to leave aswell!? then dont tell us...
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The point you don't seem to have grasped is that there's a difference between objecting to government policies, and fundamentally objecting to secularism and democracy, as most Muslims do.

if you like there polcies so much why dont you go fight in iraq!
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Who said anything about liking Western government policies?

primitivefuture said:
I think root should be banned. She needs to get a life at stop coming a Muslim forums to bash Muslims.
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Firstly, root is male, not female.

Secondly, it's not up to you who is allowed on the forum and who isn't. If you object to somebody's posts, report them to the mods.

Thirdly, at least root has never posted hate-filled drivel such as this.

Peace
 
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Czgibson, you have raised an incredibly valid point which in my opinion, needs to be thought up about VERY carefully by the muslim world.

We're quick to criticise western ways of life, smoking, drinking, sex, whatever. If you dont like it, then get OUT. Stop being a hypocrite. "I hate USA, but i live in USA." Its so hypocritical. I believe the whole of the muslim world should pull back, into their OWN lands, and start their own revolutions. Instead of this, immigration to other lands (which blatantly corrupts one's practice of his religion) and then complaining about it once your there.

Like that saying goes, "Dont bite the hand that feeds."
 
j4763 said:
Really? Do you have a source for this statement?

For all those born in western countries and who wish to leave soon (because of your dislike) why did your parents (or grand parents…etc), assuming they too are Muslims come to the west in the first place?
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as a revert mine are from the West already so question doesnt apply to me.
 
Lateralus63 said:
I believe the whole of the muslim world should pull back, into their OWN lands, and start their own revolutions.
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Moreover, let the revolutions start in each and every Muslim's heart, wherever they may be around the world. Once you have perfected the deen in yourself; once you have ironed out the hypocricies and excuses; once you have cured the diseases of your own hearts - THEN start to work on your family. Once they are free of that very same disease, move on to your immediate community.

Ahhhh... wouldn't it be nice....
 
Primitivefuture: - I think root should be banned. She needs to get a life at stop coming a Muslim forums to bash Muslims.
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Don't you mean:

"I think Root should be banned. "He" has a different opinion to me":thankyou:
 
Haha! Now now - I don't care WHO takes the moral highground here but please, at least one of you - it's pretty empty right about now.

Root - I have absolutely no problems with your posts for the record. There might be times when it's indelicately put, but I think if read assuming the best (rather than the default defensive position that many here feel obliged to crawl through life in) there's enough sincerity to warrant treating your posts with respect, patience and intelligence.

I apologise for these brothers and sisters. You may not take Islam from your time here, but if at the very least you take away the knowlege that not all Moslems are bad-mannered sociopaths, then we have all advanced a step in the right direction.
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,



How many people here fulfil that condition?

Peace
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hello there gibson that individual doesn't represent mainstream Islam and besides why should i hate kaafirs? There is no where in the Qur'an where Allah tells us to hate them or not befriend them...sure the act of kufr ie disbelieving is wrong but in the end we have to be true representatives of Islam and teach nonmuslims about Islam and our morals through words and even better actions.
 
Greetings,
scentsofjannah said:
hello there gibson that individual doesn't represent mainstream Islam and besides why should i hate kaafirs? There is no where in the Qur'an where Allah tells us to hate them or not befriend them...
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How about here:

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust). [al-Maa’idah 5:51]
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I grant that it doesn't say to hate kaffirs, but it does warn against befriending them.

Peace
 
i remember reading on a poster up in college once.
somebody saying go home to a refugee.
underneath it was written he would if he could..
what i wanna say is that tell america to get out of all the muslim countries its involved in so we can live in peace in our own homelands...
 
marge1 said:
i remember reading on a poster up in college once.
somebody saying go home to a refugee.
underneath it was written he would if he could..
what i wanna say is that tell america to get out of all the muslim countries its involved in so we can live in peace in our own homelands...
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So you are saying that Muslims live in America, because there are Americans in Muslim countries? How does that make sense? People are dying to get into the West - literally, they wash up on beaches in Spain every day.

Which Muslim countries do you think America is involved in? I'll grant Iraq and Afghanistan. But their soldiers are out of Saudi Arabia and they have little presence in the rest of the Muslim world (a few in Bahrain admittedly). And most of those regimes were anti-American and came to power in coups aimed at driving America's friends out of power. Why not live in Niger? Or Morocco? Or Pakistan?
 
To live somewhere is not a choice for all.......although how they live is thier choice.......
 
scentsofjannah said:
hello there gibson that individual doesn't represent mainstream Islam and besides why should i hate kaafirs? There is no where in the Qur'an where Allah tells us to hate them or not befriend them...sure the act of kufr ie disbelieving is wrong but in the end we have to be true representatives of Islam and teach nonmuslims about Islam and our morals through words and even better actions.
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Just to let you know sister, any avatar that is a resemblance of a human will be deleted by the moderators - that includes yours! :)

Subhanallah...
 
j4763 said:
This isn't about the western gov, but about the western society..
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and whats your point who said they hate the people its the ideals and the ideals are layed out by the governing powers heance the goverment...you trying to make this into a hating the western people!?? who hates western people? i dont i just dont like the western polcies or the goverment...

think what you want but this aint about race or religon its a way of thinking and the way of thinking the goverment is implementing across western lands is sick and its a lie... they kill and rape in the name of all who live in the west (yes including all us westerners)

and that should not be allowed beacuse we all want peace not greed.


j4763 said:
If you say so....
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yeah i do thanks...


j4763 said:
No, but you woudn't eat that fruit either would you?
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nope i would nt until it was eddeble...why would you eat that fruit!? guess so..

if you accept the things that this goverment does in the middle east then thats your choice butthats exactly what im against that type of blind i dont care about anyone but myself attitude.


j4763 said:
People of all race's are happy to live in the west, Islam is not a race.
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never said islam was a race... why? did you say islam dont wanna be in the west1? nope you said muslims... and besides muslims or islam dont have a problem with the west its quite the opposite... but anyhow

j4763 said:
Dont we all (yes even westerners)..
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yeah so?


j4763 said:
I like the west way of life, the freedom. Not there polcies, that why i vote (and can) against them.
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lol and? whs trying to take your freedom? whos trying to tell you to live any way diffrent?

no one cares how the west lives thats there choice...they care how they live as the west is sticking its fist in other peoples faces...for no reason..with made up excuses that dont exist all for greed...

if the west dont want issues they should leave the middle east alone..simple..
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,


Lots of Westerners object to the way their governments act too. The recent and ongoing war in Iraq is the least popular war of modern times. During the leadup to it, Britain experienced the largest mass protests in its history.
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i know...thats what i said...

czgibson said:
The point you don't seem to have grasped is that there's a difference between objecting to government policies, and fundamentally objecting to secularism and democracy, as most Muslims do. .
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secularism? so muslims are religous and? thats life some people are and so,me people arent..no one trys tochange the people in the west no muslim is attacking the west to make it more religous...

as for democracy it depends what you mean muslims dont have a problem with what democracy truly is and what it stands for...they have a problem with the democracy that the west sells...like the democracy that is going on in iraq right now...

im muslim i have no problem with true democracy...i have a problem with the shrad that the west implicate in the name of democracy to spread there power...

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