Why I despise secular and liberal demoracy

[glo]

Never heard something so outrageous and desperate, it is not even worthy of a response. Perhaps though a proper christian on the board may still like to address your bizarre statements.

I am a 'proper Christian', in the way I do not judge people on the grounds of sexuality as Jesus commanded me not to. Whatever happened to 'Judge lest ye be judged'. I'm a liberal, it may conflict with your conservative views, but please don't ever, ever try and patronise me by claiming I'm no Christian, OK? Thanks.

Sampharo, I agree with Supreme's view that "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." (Luke 6:37) extends also to those of other sexual orientations.

I know the Bible verses which speak against homosexuality very well, and I have pondered them often and long ...
Yet I have several homosexuals amongst my friends, and I know them to be wonderful people (and some of them are believers too). - I have never found it in my heart to condemn them for their sexuality.

I know there are many (Christians and non-Christians) who will disagree with me. If I am wrong, may God guide me in my understanding.

I hope that this does not take me off your 'proper Christians list', but if it does, them be it so ...
Peace, brother.

 

[Hugo]

Sampharo, I agree with Supreme's view that "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." (Luke 6:37) extends also to those of other sexual orientations.

I know the Bible verses which speak against homosexuality very well, and I have pondered them often and long ...
Yet I have several homosexuals amongst my friends, and I know them to be wonderful people (and some of them are believers too). - I have never found it in my heart to condemn them for their sexuality.

I know there are many (Christians and non-Christians) who will disagree with me. If I am wrong, may God guide me in my understanding.

I hope that this does not take me off your 'proper Christians list', but if it does, them be it so ...
Peace, brother.

I think if you look carefully, the Bible speaks about homosexual practices as being wrong and there have always been homosexual persons as far as we know. It is not a diseases but it is it seems a fact so like any other sin we condemn the act.

 

[ardianto]

Although Islam and other religions forbid homosexuality, I can tolerate some homos around me because they never did something wrong with normal people. I understand, the became homos caused by destiny. And I cannot hate or punish someone just because a destiny that they never want to have it.

However, toleration has a limit. I cannot let those homos come to school and teach our children, homosexuality is a normal behavior. Also I cannot let those homos show their sexual deviation to public openly.

I have my own reason why I despise secular and liberal democracy. When I found some people did something wrong that against religious value, and I told them that's wrong, they always replied "If you forbid me, that's means you are not respect to human right".

 

[Asiyah3]

However, toleration has a limit. I cannot let those homos come to school and teach our children, homosexuality is a normal behavior. Also I cannot let those homos show their sexual deviation to public openly.

I have my own reason why I despise secular and liberal democracy. When I found some people did something wrong that against religious value, and I told them that's wrong, they always replied "If you forbid me, that's means you are not respect to human right".

I agree

And the news in this link is really makes me shocked. A woman complained, showing a crucifix violated her children's freedom of religion. I guess this woman is not Christian, not Muslim, not Jew, not Buddhist, not Hindu and not other believer. And I really want to ask her, "Freedom OF religion or Freedom FROM religion ?".

I agree. Cases like these are superridiculous.
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I also have my personal views why I despite secular and democrasy contries

 

[Sampharo]

3% of Brits are Muslims. However, around 80% of terrorists in Britain are Muslims. Only 3% of Brits are Muslim, so when they are responsible for 80% of all terrorist plots, it requires a severely desperate and twisted mind to not acknowledge that it is a startling statistic so mathematically unambiguous that by any quantifiable research standard Islam is directly declared a direct contiributing factor to terrorism. Do agree with that statement?

Of course I do! The british government targets mostly muslims when it comes to any terrorist plots, whether the accusation is true or not, because the whole "business" is genuinely tied to Islamically affiliated nutters thinking they are fighting a holy war. I guess then you have to grow enough braincells to understand statistics DO WORK AND CONNECT RELATIONS, whether or not there is justification is another matter.

Sampharo, I agree with Supreme's view that "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." (Luke 6:37) extends also to those of other sexual orientations.

There's a big difference sister between you choosing to not hold yourself as judge of people committing sins, and a hypocrit over there who described a person whitewashing homosexuality and teaching homosexuality to children to be "the only person with common sense and decency". Someone who says it is absolutely fine and outrageously is suggesting that Jesus never literally spoke against homosexuality and therefore it is allowed and normal.

In Islam too, it is understandable when a muslim doesn't judge his friend about any of the sins even after advising him and the friend doesn't care, that is absolutely fine and he's thinking fairly straight that it's not up to him to condemn. That is not taking a major sin that under all three Islamic and Christian and Judaic scriptures were described as abominations, and had ordained ruling to uphold a severe legal punishment for it, and straight up not only white it out and say it is not a sin and makes up that jesus never spoke against it, but also further describes the one supporting the homosexuals taking the story of the penguins to the children at schools to be the only poster with decency and common sense.

I don't know about Christianity, but anyone who can't see how wrong that is....<_<

 

[Amadeus85]

Sampharo, I agree with Supreme's view that "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned." (Luke 6:37) extends also to those of other sexual orientations.

I know the Bible verses which speak against homosexuality very well, and I have pondered them often and long ...
Yet I have several homosexuals amongst my friends, and I know them to be wonderful people (and some of them are believers too). - I have never found it in my heart to condemn them for their sexuality.

I know there are many (Christians and non-Christians) who will disagree with me. If I am wrong, may God guide me in my understanding.

I hope that this does not take me off your 'proper Christians list', but if it does, them be it so ...
Peace, brother.

If a thief steals, we should persuade him not to do it. If child offends his mother, we persuade him not to do it. No one here is talking about bringing gays and lesbians on Inquisition, but at least we, christians should have bravery to tell them - You people do wrong thing, this kind of act is immoral, againts natural law and first of all against God's words.

Nevermind the massmedia propaganda, nevermind the popcultural propaganda, nevermind the tv movies propagating homosexuality. We know that this is Civitas Diaboli. Nowadays world agrees to kill unborn children but forbids to kill serial killer, nowadays world allows children to be adopted by a pair of two men or two women, nowadays world allows to murder very ill born babies, because their parents dont want to raise them. Should we christians take example from this world? No, we should change it.

 

[Amadeus85]

I understand the position of the Scriptures when it comes to such matters; however Jesus never emphasized the wrongs of homosexuality, thus it is not in direct violation of the teachings of Jesus. I'm a liberal Protestant- the liberal bit meaning I believe anyone can be a Christian, regardless of race, gender, nationality, background or sexuality. Another important liberal stance is the fact that, whilst as close to the truth as we can get, the Bible is not inerrant and cannot be interpreted literally for some parts.
I don't support the stance of promoting homosexuality any more that I do promoting the stance of heterosexuality, especially to a bunch of young children.

There is a wise statement that - "For their fruits you will know them" and liberal protestantism is disapearing in both Europe and USA/ Canada.

 

[Qingu]

How degenerate and immoral it is to teach children that same-sex couples can genuinely love and care for each other!

Instead, we should teach them morals like "you can own slaves" (Leviticus 25:45, 1 Tim 6:1), "if a man rapes a virgin, he must marry her" (Deuteronomy 22:28) and "you should kill all the unbelievers who live in the holy land" (Deuteronomy 20:16).

Here's a thought, Amadeus—if you despise our culture so much, why don't you move to a place with a culture more to your liking? I would recommend Saudi Arabia or Iran. (Though I understand there is a ton of underground homosexuality in those places. Isn't that weird!)

 

[ardianto]

Here's a thought, Amadeus—if you despise our culture so much, why don't you move to a place with a culture more to your liking? I would recommend Saudi Arabia or Iran. (Though I understand there is a ton of underground homosexuality in those places. Isn't that weird!)

There are many planets in the universe, Qingu.
So, why don't you chose one planet for a place where you can do anything that you want ?. That's better than disturb religious people in Amadeus's place !.

 

[Supreme]

There is a wise statement that - "For their fruits you will know them" and liberal protestantism is disapearing in both Europe and USA/ Canada.

Are you joking? Protestantism is growing in the USA, especially amongst the Hispanic community, with many converting from Catholicism (which in itself is a step towards liberalism). With converts, inevitably there will be liberals.

 

[OurIslamic]

Welcome to the club.

 

[Amadeus85]

Are you joking? Protestantism is growing in the USA, especially amongst the Hispanic community, with many converting from Catholicism (which in itself is a step towards liberalism). With converts, inevitably there will be liberals.

I'm not joking at all. I'm talking about the liberal protestantism, which bless gay couples, agrees with abortion, allows women to be bishops (which breaks the tradition) and replaced christian morality with the evangelion of human rights and ecology. The breaking point came lately with mass conversion of 400 000 anglicans to Catholic Church, that You might have read about.