Why Islam is not Acceptable to West!!!

[Pygoscelis]

Taking us back on topic and to the OP...

The OP makes one curious assumption, and it underlines why the west is REALLY afraid of Islam.

All of the things listed are only a threat to the west if Islam intends to take over and destroy society as it now exists. A threat of destroying society as we know it is certainly something to be afraid of.

Now lets look at individual matters. And I'm not going to pretend to share moral views with the rest of you, as it is apparent I'm quite on my own here.

1. Islam prohibits alcohol - thus it will stop all business relating to alcohol [Industry, Bars, Night Clubs, etc] - Billion dollars of business will be closed.

There is nothing wrong with modest consumption of alcohol or other drugs. And you are correct to assume that we will resist you if you try to force us to ban it.

2. Islam prohibits free sex, prostitutions - again billion dollars of sex, and prostitutes industries will be closed

There is nothing wrong with prostitution or erotica. If you don't like it, don't buy it. And again, you are right to assume that we will resist you if you try to force us to ban it.

3. Islam prohibits commercialization of women - thus billion dollars of putting naked or half naked women in advertisements will be lost.

You are going to tell us what we can and can not wear? What we can and can not put in magazines? You plan to steal our freedom and force us to obey your commands and you think us wrong to oppose you?

4. Islam prohibits interest in Banking - thus all Financial Institutions will be closed and change to Islamic Banking Systems.

And there goes the economy.

5. Islam prohibits injustice - thus the whole legal systems of western world need to be changed - Lawyer Firms will be closed.

Justice means no lawyers? I assume that means no judges too? What a weird system you must have in mind.

6.Islam prohibits terrorisms and war - thus billion dollars of defense industries will be closed.

You must be joking here. You really think we in the west fear islam because it OPPOSES terrorism?

7. Islam prohibits rocks dancing - thus billion dollars music /rock festivals will be closed.

I didn't know rocks could dance. You should take that act to the circus. There is nothing wrong with dancing by the way. If you don't like it don't do it. Don't try to tell us we can't.

8. Islam prohibits gambling - thus billion dollars casinos will be closed.

There goes my weekend poker nights.

9. Islam prohibits free sex - thus billion dollars porno sex films industry will be closed.

Didn't we already do this one?

10. Islam prohibits abuse of drugs - thus billion dollars of illegal drugs business will be lost.

And this one?

 

[guyabano]

Honestly, I don't consider Islam as a threat, anyway. These words have already been proclaimed, before Internet exist, and still nothing changed.
Christianity claim it for them, Muslims rufute it, and vice versa. Everything stays as and where it is. So, summa summarum, nothing new !

Anyway, I think, the question should be more 'Can Islam adapt to the west' ?

The answer is yes. I would really like to know, how much muslims teenies listen to (haraam) music, play games on XBox, have music on their iPods, adopt western styles, and don't pray anymore 5x a day.
Just go to London in a big mall, and look how much young muslim teenies hang around, even though, on every corner comes music out of some loudspeaker

I think, the next generation will tell us.

 

[zarhad]

why would islam want to conform to the west...plus the west does feel threatened by islam just as many others said, because they are afriad to loose there achol drinking womanizing, no marriage, fatherless children ways...
not to say that are all are like that...whats wrong with living a simple and peacefull life dedicated to god...why is the west having a hard time admitting they are not as important in the universe as they thought they were...

 

[zarhad]

i would rather my children not fit in and sit at home on weekends then be out smoking drugs and drinking achol...it just seems like a better route...

 

[guyabano]

Honestly, where I live, there is absolutely not Islam presence. Not only one hijab is walking down the streets. And this 'Islam is the fastest growing religion'-thingy is a myth. Islam or Christianity didn't gain much more converts than before. The only reason, why Islam is dominant in african countries is because of the birth rate. Islam in USA loose as much people as they win on the other side.
I'm pretty amazed, that on the whole forum, nobody ever mention the words of leaving Islam.
I'm pretty sure, that you will launch a third world war prior to islamisation of the west. All the good values and rights, freedom of speech and expression, we acquired during centuries, nobody here will give them up.

whats wrong with living a simple and peacefull life dedicated to god

Because a lot of people don't believe in the existance of a god

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why is the west having a hard time admitting they are not as important in the universe as they thought they were..

sorry, but this question I can also adress to you, just exchange the word 'west' with 'muslims'

 

[Sarada]

why would islam want to conform to the west...plus the west does feel threatened by islam just as many others said, because they are afriad to loose there achol drinking womanizing, no marriage, fatherless children ways...
not to say that are all are like that...whats wrong with living a simple and peacefull life dedicated to god...why is the west having a hard time admitting they are not as important in the universe as they thought they were...

Salaam Zarhad,

I take extreme umbrage with your remarks.

Moral behaviour is not a monopoly granted only to Muslims

People of ALL religions, and even people who have no religion have a sense of moral decency.

Conversely, ALL of the very same people I mentioned above are capable of immoral behavior. Muslims are not immune to this either.

A secular society that accepts people of all beliefs is the only society that I care to live in.

This 'holier than thou' attitude that some people have, is very unattractive.

 

[ahsan28]

Moral behaviour is not a monopoly granted only to Muslims
Conversely, Muslims are not immune to this either.

I agree and would rather say that the Muslims are more vulnerable to immoral conduct cz we believe that the satan chases us more rather than other communities in order to increase his followers amongst Muslims, so we have to be protect ourselves. We the Muslims are a bit sensitive, when it comes to moral issues, cz of the limitations imposed on us by the religion. So Islam and the West having liberal values are divergent to each other and this is reality.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

i would rather my children not fit in and sit at home on weekends then be out smoking drugs and drinking achol...it just seems like a better route...

i agree mashaAllah

 

[Sarada]

=ahsan28;827365

So Islam and the West having liberal values are divergent to each other and this is reality.

Yes, this is reality. And there are Muslims and non-Muslims who wish to impose their values on others.That is where we get into problems.

In our secular society, people are free to chose the priorities of their values. No 0ne has the right to impose his/her values on others.

That's the way I like it. Let's just peacefully co-exist, and maybe even learn to like each other as human beings.

 

[ahsan28]

Let's just peacefully co-exist, and maybe even learn to like each other as human beings.

Agreed.

 

[Pygoscelis]

why would islam want to conform to the west

Only muslims who come to the west should have to conform to western laws.
And even then, its not like we force muslim immigrants to listen to music or go dancing or drink beer.

...plus the west does feel threatened by islam just as many others said, because they are afriad to loose there achol drinking womanizing, no marriage, fatherless children ways...

But won't that only happening if muslims TAKE OVER and force their ways on the rest of us? I've got no problem with a muslim living next door and doing this thing. He can even chant or recite or whatever and make noise every now and then and I probably won't complain.

But if he tries to force ME to stop drinking, dancing, etc, that's when It'll come to blows.

not to say that are all are like that...whats wrong with living a simple and peacefull life dedicated to god...

Nothing. Thats fine, so long as you keep it to yourself you won't have a problem with me.

why is the west having a hard time admitting they are not as important in the universe as they thought they were...

Why do you think the west believes they are "important to the universe"? If anything an atheist/secular society thinks they are less "important to the universe". Its you theists who think the universe was created for you and that the creator of the universe holds you as his most important creation.

 

[silkworm]

Moslems have some grieviences against US, BUT they were never so large as to make them to attack US.

Please note that according to new research out of the 187 countries of the world THE US forces are present in some 120 countries.

Bottom line is: You stop your war-mongers and we stop our double-dealers.

AND OBL was America's choice against USSR in Afghanistan and not ours.

9/11 Was not a Moslem event against USA, IT WAS your own right wing militia.

 

[ahsan28]

AND OBL was America's choice against USSR in Afghanistan and not ours.

He is still their all time favourite

 

[barney]

9/11 Was not a Moslem event against USA, IT WAS your own right wing militia.

Thats not what Bin Liner says...or indeed the birth records of the murderers.

C'mon, If you have to have a conspiracy...go with the flow! It was Mossad and Walt Disney (RIP).

 

[Shukri]

Ok your peice is very good, but the thing is that you have to be wise with your words. Because your kind of being stereotypical by saying that the West is all agaisnt Islam, but the thing is that there is good people too out there. So please don't take my words harshly just take them as umm... a peice of advice.

 

[noorahmad]

well talking about 9/11, you people should watch Fahrenheit 9/11.
Secondly, the US says that bin laden is hiding in the mountains of Afghanistan,where does he get the technology to make these videos?(electricity in caves??? )
Thirdly, I've heard that bin laden using satellite phone, the license for these phones are issued by only two companies in the world, Thompson and another French company.(not sure of that, heard it from a fren)
I would not say that Islam is not acceptable to the west, it would rather be by all those who consider themselves as modern and westernized ppl, at school, im the racist, the extremist just because i don't smoke pots, drink alcohol and accept every bull**** from the west.

 

[Woodrow]

I keep hearing people say Islam is not accepted in the West. What I do not see is any specific names of any countries where it is not accepted.

I can not think of any country that does not have Muslims and Mosques. True we may be a minority in some, but on local levels how many countries persecute local Muslims or try to curtail Islamic worship?

Of course I can only speak of where I live and I can say that those of us who are Muslim are not treated any different from any other person living here in Austin.

In order to correct any wrongs that are done to us we need to first identify the wrong and correctly identify who is perpetrating it. I think when we say we are not acceptable to the West, the statement is too broad.

Keep in mind it has much to do with were you live. Saudi Arabia is the West in Relationship to China.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

I keep hearing people say Islam is not accepted in the West. What I do not see is any specific names of any countries where it is not accepted.

I can not think of any country that does not have Muslims and Mosques. True we may be a minority in some, but on local levels how many countries persecute local Muslims or try to curtail Islamic worship?

I can't think of any that do so through legislation, but there are always individual incidents to consider. Maybe people who say Islam is not acceptable to the West have these sorts of incidents in mind.

Vandalising mosques and causing physical attacks on Muslims for their faith are obviously actions that should have no place in a civilised society.

It's also possible that the original post in this thread was about why the West would be unlikely to convert en masse to Islam.

Peace

 

[Woodrow]

Greetings,



I can't think of any that do so through legislation, but there are always individual incidents to consider. Maybe people who say Islam is not acceptable to the West have these sorts of incidents in mind.

Vandalising mosques and causing physical attacks on Muslims for their faith are obviously actions that should have no place in a civilised society.

It's also possible that the original post in this thread was about why the West would be unlikely to convert en masse to Islam.

Peace

Very good and valid points. That is one way of seeing things and it is a very probable view that is intended.

 

[NoName55]

I can't think of any that do so through legislation,

Turkey comes to mind as do some Indian States, some republics of former soviet union too,

the only 2 truly free countries where Islam is practiced freely are Uk & USA both alleged to be its mortal enemies contrary to facts on the ground.