Why not ban full veil, says French government spokesman

[GuestFellow]

What do you have against Islam/Muslims?
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He thinks we Muslims are going to take over the world.

 

[Iwant2no2]

Of course you would, bet you dont mind the naked beaches though right?:rollseyes

About 4 years ago, I was walking on a beach in Florida. I walked up on a lot of people sun bathing in the nude. About 200 people or so. Now that was sight, LOL... I had never seen anything quite like this before. There were men, women and kids there. Seems everyone had been sunbathing in the nude all their lives and thought nothing of it, seemed to be away of life for all of them. No one there were gaulking at eachother, they all seem to have been having a nice time. I guess if it's a way of someones life, then to these people they have nothing against it. I have always thought "too each their own". It's none of my business anyway. Sometimes I just like to know why people do things in theirs lives and their cultures, and I ask questions to try to get answers, but it seems I can't get a straight answer about the hijab, maybe they don't have a straight answer, that's why I am not getting the answer. Ok, like I said: Too each their own...

Have a good day.

 

[GuestFellow]

No one there were gaulking at eachother,

Can you really speak for everyone on that beach?

 

['Abd-al Latif]

Sometimes I just like to know why people do things in theirs lives and their cultures, and I ask questions to try to get answers, but it seems I can't get a straight answer about the hijab, maybe they don't have a straight answer, that's why I am not getting the answer. Ok, like I said: Too each their own...

Have a good day.

What straight answer are you looking for?

 

[GuestFellow]

What straight answer are you looking for?

Maybe he needs to phrase his question better.

 

[Muezzin]

About 4 years ago, I was walking on a beach in Florida. I walked up on a lot of people sun bathing in the nude. About 200 people or so.

Are you sure you didn't just stumble upon the naturist beach?

 

[The_Prince]

He thinks we Muslims are going to take over the world.

well he is right, we are, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. burqa and lashings for everyone soonnnnnnn, only halal.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

Look, if the majority decides to ban the bikini, they can do it. Whether something is banned or not depends on the values of that particular society.

So the majority will tell you what is moral?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

well he is right, we are, MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. burqa and lashings for everyone soonnnnnnn, only halal.

LOOL.

In the future..... There is only... HALAL!! Dun dun dun!

 

[AntiKarateKid]

About 4 years ago, I was walking on a beach in Florida. I walked up on a lot of people sun bathing in the nude. About 200 people or so. Now that was sight, LOL... I had never seen anything quite like this before. There were men, women and kids there. Seems everyone had been sunbathing in the nude all their lives and thought nothing of it, seemed to be away of life for all of them. No one there were gaulking at eachother, they all seem to have been having a nice time. I guess if it's a way of someones life, then to these people they have nothing against it. I have always thought "too each their own". It's none of my business anyway. Sometimes I just like to know why people do things in theirs lives and their cultures, and I ask questions to try to get answers, but it seems I can't get a straight answer about the hijab, maybe they don't have a straight answer, that's why I am not getting the answer. Ok, like I said: Too each their own...

Have a good day.

First, are you proposing that the solution to gawking is to strip everyone naked?

Second, nudists are far far far from the majority. So their own mental state doesn't represent a whole people. For all you know, only people of a certain mindset go there.

Third, if desensitization is you answer to life's problems, then I guess movies and videogames should be up to their necks in gore, violence, cursing, and sex. Just so we don't notice it anymore right?

 

[AntiKarateKid]

In this case the freedom to marry a loved person, the thing is you can't tolerate same sex-marriage and Mr Sarkozy can't tolerate the burqas.

One has health disadvantages the other doesn't. Don't make me pull out statistics.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

@Whats the point: geez just cos you're paranoid about the burqa, i don’t see why women should take it off...how funny! Making someone else change their life style for your own hang up!

They look like objects to you because they are objects to you.

no, they look like objects, because they make themselves objects...

Not to me. A woman should be free to dress as she pleases, and most women want to look attractive.

you can look attractive without throwing yourself and your dignity out!

Who am I to deny her that right? Who are you to deny her that right? Who is anybody to deny her that right?

who is anybody to deny a muslim woman her right to wear the burqa/niqaab?

Do you like dressing modestly? Good for you. Feel free. Dress modestly. But don't call women "objects".

no one calls women objects more than those who make them selves objects...they bring it on themselves. no-one respects a woman until and unless she respects herself... and if she doesn't, then she has no one to blame expect her self. thats the way it goes. you teach others to treat you!

I just don't want islamic morals to have any influence whatsoever in european politics.

wow, what a classic display of paranoia...

Well, couldn't you say the same for a burqa wearing woman? she is making herself a target for the islamophobes, nazis etc.

id rather be harassed for wearing the burqa than to be harassed by some man satisfying his natural instinct. +o(

And why is exposing oneself to rapists worse than exposing yourself to nazis and islamophobes?

becuase getting raped would be alot more mentally and emotionally damaging...i cant believe you're even comparing the 2...

Niqab itself is not a problem, only a handful of woen wear it, but it symbolyzes islamic radicalism or fundamentalism if you will and that is the real problem, as well as the growing number of Muslims in Europe.

how can something that is apart of Islam be extreme...islam condemns extremism, so do your self a favor and get your facts straight before you point the finger...

You can't deny the burqa is a symbol, whenever there is talk of islamic oppression, the burqa is brought up and a lot of anti-islamic legislation in Europe thusfar has been in a way connected with it.

so? why should we suffer for somebody else's hang up? if they dont like a Muslim women in a burqa, what it got to do with her? how is it her fault other people see her as oppressed? why dont they get their heads outta CNN and other anti Islamic rubbish media and use their own brains and judge for themselves. funny how you haven't blamed them...just becuase they are too influenced by the media, doesn't mean the frown should be on the Muslim woman...

I know women wear it willingly and I'm not saying it is oppressive, I'm saying it symbolyzes heavily practicing Muslims, Islamic funamentalism which I personally do not want increased in Europe.

so, get out of Europe then? not rocket science...

No one there were gaulking at eachother,

people dont usually gawk at each other when others are looking at them.

I guess if it's a way of someones life, then to these people they have nothing against it.
I have always thought "too each their own". It's none of my business anyway. Sometimes I just like to know why people do things in theirs lives and their cultures, and I ask questions to try to get answers, but it seems I can't get a straight answer about the hijab, maybe they don't have a straight answer, that's why I am not getting the answer. Ok, like I said: Too each their own...

Have a good day.

wow, aren't you cunning! frowning upon the hijab, and dressing it up as "each to their own/its the way society goes" with a nice "smile" to put the icing the cake!

 

[Whatsthepoint]

So the majority will tell you what is moral?

No, but the majority decides what is allowed and what isn't.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

One has health disadvantages the other doesn't. Don't make me pull out statistics.

Not really, quite the opposite actually, and the other brings social unrest, disharmony and by banning it we will save at least a few women that don't wear it by their own will.

 

[HopeFul]

whatsthepoint, I think your major problem is that you don't like islam to be spread in europe, I think that is the genral problem. The west doesn't want Islam to spread there. It only wants Islam to be limited to certan countries/continents.

Well. te truth will always spread. It is like a fragrance, it will go wherever the wind takes it. You cannot limit Islam.

Furthermore i think that's the way it has been for some time, perhaps for our fathers generations, but even before this, a few centuries ago Islam was everywhere, and it will come back, better get used to it...

Besides, how can one think that globalisation will only propagate wester ideas and morals in the east, there will always be an exchange.

France has a bad case of mis judgement. They brought in loads and loads of muslims ( cheap labour? looking down on colonies?) to rebuild it after the world war 2, gave them the right to stay and since they were mainly poor people deprived of lots of things all they ahd was cling to Allah and Islam, in my ventures and stays I have found french muslims to be waaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger in faith, I have seen burqa women from paris to starsbourd to a small town like Colmar. Not many but definately seen. They will live as they want. Today those people and more immigrants coming in form a vital part of the society, doctors, engineers , lawyer, what not. MashaAllah.

How can you not let someone freely practice their religion or way of life and put restrictions on them. There will be huge uprising if they went ahead and put the ban on burqa.

As for not liking Islam in europe, the earth belongs to Allah and He will take Islam wherever he wants!

 

[bewildred]

Hello y'all,

The initial topic starter was that the french authorities are about to ban full dress up veil. Some Muslims find it nonsensical but in a more practical way of thinking and bearing in mind the Islam vs the whole world complexities, I find this decision pretty comprehensible.

Last week, I had to tutor a young woman for a major exam. I was already informed that she wears Niqab. It was ok since she had to prove to me her identity which is mandatory before every exam. But from te very second we met, there was a major conflict that was growing in intensity. In fact, she did show me a piece of ID paper but refused to show her face to me. Since we were a couple of female teachers monitoring her, I couln't understand why she felt so aggressive. She insulted me for being and started a whole debate about the place of female Muslims in pseudo Islamic societies. The situation had gone to extremes and I had to tutor four other students after her. Her time was over. So, she felt like a great injustice was organized against her an now was the conspiracy theory for she was the only one wearing niqab. When the situation became utterly unbearable, the oldest of the female teachers took her apart and ORDERED her to show at least her face. The girl went in a kind of transe. The fact is that she was the elder sister of the student who was to have her exam audition! No need to tell you about the sanctions that were sentenced against the girl.....

I know that it is an isolated case, but in an empirical society such as the French, I think it's comprehensible.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

whatsthepoint, I think your major problem is that you don't like islam to be spread in europe, I think that is the genral problem. The west doesn't want Islam to spread there. It only wants Islam to be limited to certan countries/continents.

Well. te truth will always spread. It is like a fragrance, it will go wherever the wind takes it. You cannot limit Islam.

Furthermore i think that's the way it has been for some time, perhaps for our fathers generations, but even before this, a few centuries ago Islam was everywhere, and it will come back, better get used to it...

Besides, how can one think that globalisation will only propagate wester ideas and morals in the east, there will always be an exchange.

France has a bad case of mis judgement. They brought in loads and loads of muslims ( cheap labour? looking down on colonies?) to rebuild it after the world war 2, gave them the right to stay and since they were mainly poor people deprived of lots of things all they ahd was cling to Allah and Islam, in my ventures and stays I have found french muslims to be waaaaaaaaaaaaay stronger in faith, I have seen burqa women from paris to starsbourd to a small town like Colmar. Not many but definately seen. They will live as they want. Today those people and more immigrants coming in form a vital part of the society, doctors, engineers , lawyer, what not. MashaAllah.

How can you not let someone freely practice their religion or way of life and put restrictions on them. There will be huge uprising if they went ahead and put the ban on burqa.

As for not liking Islam in europe, the earth belongs to Allah and He will take Islam wherever he wants!

There was no uprising when a much more serious ban was enacted, the law on religious symbols in schools. There were a couple of protests, nothing more. Only a few hundred women wear the burqa, it doesn't really have to be banned, there are more pressing issues as far as islamic raicalism is concerned, mainly foreign preachers and immigration, but banning the burqa, as a symbol, is a start. and as I mentioned before, hoodies are banned, niqabis not, so the ban will do away with double standards. you're correct, I wouldn't want europe to bcome an islamic state. I don't mind Muslims in general, hijabis whatever, as long as they're the minority.

 

[HopeFul]

There is a major difference in the hoody and the burqa.

the hoody is a way of dressing solely,a style, maybe it signifies something, that I'm cool or a rapper or whatever, but the burqa is a totally different thing.

It is worn to please the Lord, it is obligatory.
It is like a uniform in school, which MUSt be worn.

Europe may not become an islamic state/continent but muslims will live there. I think Im a practising muslim, I live in europe, I have three kids and I'm thinking to have at least three more InshaAllah when im older and all of them will also live in europe whereas all my europeans friends have one or two kids. When mine grow up, Im sure the girls will wear burqas or hijabs and the boys will have beards, InshaAllah and Ims ure they will call to Islam many other people,and Im sure if they even just inheret what we give them, they'll be well off. If you want to compete, better have more kids, because otherwise Islam will spread and spread and spread.

InshaAllah.

peace!

( maybe you should consider yoruself becoming a muslim too! )

 

[Whatsthepoint]

There is a major difference in the hoody and the burqa.

the hoody is a way of dressing solely,a style, maybe it signifies something, that I'm cool or a rapper or whatever, but the burqa is a totally different thing.

It is worn to please the Lord, it is obligatory.
It is like a uniform in school, which MUSt be worn.

It's double standards, either hoodies are allowed or burqas banned.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

It's double standards, either hoodies are allowed or burqas banned.

Oh don't be ridiculous. There's a big difference between a hoody and a burqa.

What's your issue with the burqa anyway. You're country preaches freedom right? Or is it all that just a hoax to imprison people to the tyranny of dictatorship?