Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

  • Thread starter Thread starter Scimitar
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies Replies 73
  • Views Views 12K
Grandad said:
Teach unbiased and honest history.
Click to expand...

I cam across this lecture and Q&A on youtube a few weeks ago, and found it quite insightful. The lecture explored first some aspects of the history of comparison and its impact on concepts in modern historiography. Secondly, there was an overview on approaches that address the history of connections and why they came to the fore over the past two decades. There are of course various variants of analyzing connections from entangled history and histoire croisée to the study of cultural transfers, métissage and acculturation. They are presented in their capacity to shed light on different aspects of global and/or transnational connectivity. As a sort of conclusion the lecture discussed if comparison and the investigation of connections could go together or are rather exclusive as methods in today's historiography.


:)

Scimi
 
Scottish Celt said:
they didn't teach history of the 1916 easter rising though,that would have been a ''bad'' thing in their eye's,i learned about that when I left school,although in Ireland it would have been a different story.
Click to expand...

We were taught this in secondary school...South Wales. Are you from Glasgow, by any chance? Catholic/Protestant relations there were grim for decades. That might account for absence of Irish history in your schools. Just a thought.
 
Grandad said:
We were taught this in secondary school...South Wales. Are you from Glasgow, by any chance? Catholic/Protestant relations there were grim for decades. That might account for absence of Irish history in your schools. Just a thought.
Click to expand...
Not far from Glasgow,Im from Ayrshire on the west coast about 25miles away,yes sectarianism is bad up here most Catholics/Protestants just want to live peacefully,its such cults/ideoligies like the Orange order & Loyalism which are the problem,they are very much pro-right,anti-Catholic & nowadays seem very anti-Muslim
 
Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here :) thank you for contributing.

God bless.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:

I cam across this lecture and Q&A on youtube a few weeks ago, and found it quite insightful. The lecture explored first some aspects of the history of comparison and its impact on concepts in modern historiography. Secondly, there was an overview on approaches that address the history of connections and why they came to the fore over the past two decades. There are of course various variants of analyzing connections from entangled history and histoire croisée to the study of cultural transfers, métissage and acculturation. They are presented in their capacity to shed light on different aspects of global and/or transnational connectivity. As a sort of conclusion the lecture discussed if comparison and the investigation of connections could go together or are rather exclusive as methods in today's historiography.


:)

Scimi
Click to expand...

A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

Very best regards...and have a great day.
 
Last edited:
Scimitar said:
Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here :) thank you for contributing.

God bless.

Scimi
Click to expand...
Thank you Scimitar

Grandad said:
A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

Very best regards...and have a great day.
Click to expand...
Aye ye know yer Scottish lingo well:D:Emoji43:
 
Scottish Celt said:
Not far from Glasgow,Im from Ayrshire on the west coast about 25miles away,yes sectarianism is bad up here most Catholics/Protestants just want to live peacefully,its such cults/ideoligies like the Orange order & Loyalism which are the problem,they are very much pro-right,anti-Catholic & nowadays seem very anti-Muslim
Click to expand...

Indeed. I was a Catholic for just over sixty years, and used to debate with Protestants...most of whom were decent. The most vitriolic by a country mile were the few who came from Glascow...exposed all their lives to violent bigotry and hatred...and giving as much back. You will recall the Celtic/Rangers FC nonsense, now easing off, it seems....well, somewhat! Very tribal...If you're not one of us you're nothing at all mentality.
 
Scimitar said:
Welcome to the forum, Grandad and Scottish Celt. I wish I had more time to post here today, but I will just say I am enjoying reading your posts here :) thank you for contributing.

God bless.

Scimi
Click to expand...

Thank you, Scimi. Great to 'meet' you.
 
Grandad said:
A quick skim through this video convinces me that I'm going to have to shake off the cobwebs that have collected around that part of my brain marked 'History Department - Methodology and Stuff'. In sha Allah I will return to this matter once I've done a wee bit of dusting...and can use a bigger screen than this wee phone of mine....the better to see the lecturer's slides! Thank you very much for this opportunity to learn/relearn stuff.

Very best regards...and have a great day.
Click to expand...

Thank you Grandad :)

I watched it and felt slightly incompetent i some ways afterwards. But it was good to know where I was neglecting the method. Which for me, was in the connections from entangled history which the speaker mentions. At some points in investigating comparatives, I did give up because the contradictory opinions were too confuddled to know who was saying what. And it gets worse when commentators tell you "I believe..." because that's still an opinion :D

Having said that, learning is so awesome :) And I'm very impressed that at 71, you still consider yourself a student. You are humble, Sir. And I would honour you as "teacher".

I was reading Cormac O'Brien's book - The Fall of Empires From Glory to Ruin, An Epic Account of History's Ancient Civilisations and found this to be a great introduction to degeneration within all empires.

One common theme I noticed was as follows. When empires compromise their moral values and lewdity becomes a norm - it bodes an ill omen, namely that said nation has already peaked and can go no higher, and so, the only direction left is down. I'm looking around, at our decadent society in the west, and see that we have passed that tipping point already.

Wow, right?

Scimi
 
Grandad said:
Indeed. I was a Catholic for just over sixty years, and used to debate with Protestants...most of whom were decent. The most vitriolic by a country mile were the few who came from Glascow...exposed all their lives to violent bigotry and hatred...and giving as much back. You will recall the Celtic/Rangers FC nonsense, now easing off, it seems....well, somewhat! Very tribal...If you're not one of us you're nothing at all mentality.
Click to expand...
Now now i wont hear a bad word against Celtic;),..ive been to plenty of Celtic v Rangers matches,tbf though Celtic don't mix religion with football but they do with politics,Rangers on the other hand are very much Protestant/Unionist & anti-Catholic theyre fans seem to come from far right groups like the SDL.(maybe I'm a little biased:D)...Anyway, I hope to be joining you very soon in converting
 
Mashallah this is great to see that the importance Islamic history is highlighted here! As we truly need to learn from our past pitfalls to revive as an Ummah!

May Allah reward you! Ameen
 
Scimitar said:
Thank you Grandad :)

I watched it and felt slightly incompetent i some ways afterwards. But it was good to know where I was neglecting the method. Which for me, was in the connections from entangled history which the speaker mentions. At some points in investigating comparatives, I did give up because the contradictory opinions were too confuddled to know who was saying what. And it gets worse when commentators tell you "I believe..." because that's still an opinion :D

Having said that, learning is so awesome :) And I'm very impressed that at 71, you still consider yourself a student. You are humble, Sir. And I would honour you as "teacher".

I was reading Cormac O'Brien's book - The Fall of Empires From Glory to Ruin, An Epic Account of History's Ancient Civilisations and found this to be a great introduction to degeneration within all empires.

One common theme I noticed was as follows. When empires compromise their moral values and lewdity becomes a norm - it bodes an ill omen, namely that said nation has already peaked and can go no higher, and so, the only direction left is down. I'm looking around, at our decadent society in the west, and see that we have passed that tipping point already.

Wow, right?

Scimi
Click to expand...

As-Salāmu ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi wa Barakātuhu, Scimi

Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I still consider myself to be a student. That’s not humility, by the way; that’s self-awareness! As for being a ‘teacher’……He who would teach, first let him learn. In šāʾ Allāh we can teach each other….at the end of it all we might not be any wiser, but we ought to be better informed.

Any society that turns away from the values ordained by Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) will fall in the end (and the same, of course, is true of individuals). For sure, there are decadent behaviours in the West (as there are everywhere); but I see no reason to believe that the majority are decadent (anywhere). Perhaps the fact that decadent behaviour is deemed newsworthy, while decent behaviour barely gets a mention is a sign that decency is commonplace. Or perhaps I’m being naïve.

May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) reward you for the good that you do.

Very best regards.

Paul
 
Scottish Celt said:
Now now i wont hear a bad word against Celtic;),..ive been to plenty of Celtic v Rangers matches,tbf though Celtic don't mix religion with football but they do with politics,Rangers on the other hand are very much Protestant/Unionist & anti-Catholic theyre fans seem to come from far right groups like the SDL.(maybe I'm a little biased:D)...Anyway, I hope to be joining you very soon in converting
Click to expand...

Shhhhh, but I rather admire Celtic (apart from the fact they don't used the hard 'C'!). My preferred football team, and have been for years.

Great news to see that you may soon become a Muslim, in šāʾ Allāh. May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) continue to guide you.

Very best regards.

Paul.

PS: I assume you meant converting to Islam, rather than to Rangers :D
 
Grandad said:
As-Salāmu ‘alaykum wa Rahmatullāhi wa Barakātuhu, Scimi
Click to expand...
Wa'alaykum as Salaam wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakaatuhu, Grandad

What you wrote here was profane to me.

Grandad said:
...but I see no reason to believe that the majority are decadent (anywhere). Perhaps the fact that decadent behaviour is deemed newsworthy, while decent behaviour barely gets a mention is a sign that decency is commonplace. Or perhaps I’m being naïve.
Click to expand...

Maybe not. I think what you just presented has some merit. According to some scholars, as long as a nation remains charitable to the weak in society, God will not destroy that nation. God knows best if this is true or not, but I think this relates to your observation, as subtle as it may be. Most certainly food for thought.

Grandad said:
May Allāh (Subḥānahu ūta'āla) reward you for the good that you do.

Very best regards.

Paul
Click to expand...

And may HE, give you the best of both, this and the next (worlds), Ameen.

Mohsen
 

Similar Threads

Back
Top