Why the West is terrified of Muslims learning HISTORY

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welcome back bro Abz!!!

Grandad said:
Ah....so you were having a senior moment! :p
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:D tsst, my age is starting to show, though thirty years junior to yourself, my grays betray a thinking man whose wires are rapidly burning out hehe.

Scimi
 
Speaking of Nazi's. I was watching this documentary about Mongolians who glorify Hitler and consider themselves Nazi. I couldn't stop myself from giggling at the thought of Hitler's face!

Anyway, here's the doccy:


^More present day than historical, buuuut - I'm just trying to demonstrate that history has an habit of coming back to bite ideologies in the butt. lol.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
welcome back bro Abz!!!
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Thank you and jazakAllahukhayran for the welcome,
I'm not back as before, just saw the need to contribute on the fly, will stay on the sidelines for as long as I can since it's difficult to be dispassionate and don't want to see my favourite forum turn into a troll playground again.

I'll stay busy speaking on less active forums where I don't mind getting banned after saying wot da (profane ;) ) hell I like to the trolls and use my superhero electro-magnetic powers to attract them elsewhere :)
 
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LOL!!! TrollHunter Abz2000, sounds like an Anime title bro. I'm uhm, trying to be a well behaved Scimitar, but you know I can't keep it up for long. Sooner or later I snap and the moderator's infractions get served, as deserved. :hiding:

Good to see you post! Hope to see you sooner than this last absence in sha Allah.

Scimi
 
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I'll be back !!!
Insha Allah !!!
 
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Well carry on with your interesting conversation then grandad.
I hope I didn't hit pause, if so I'll hit it again.
Now go on!!!
 
Scimitar said:
Speaking of Nazi's. I was watching this documentary about Mongolians who glorify Hitler and consider themselves Nazi. I couldn't stop myself from giggling at the thought of Hitler's face!

Anyway, here's the doccy:


^More present day than historical, buuuut - I'm just trying to demonstrate that history has an habit of coming back to bite ideologies in the butt. lol.

Scimi
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Indeed. There's nowt so queer as folk!
 
Scimitar said:
Yes, I have - throw it in here sis.

(don't be laughing at my voice either lol)

Scimi
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The Brits glorified the story in the film Laurence of Arabia..

Then there was Gertrude of Arabia A lesser known British military intelligence asset that was based in Baghdad, she was a part responsible for the nation states now known as Iraq and Jordan that was an area previously known as Mespotamia..
Iraq was the first place the British landed troops in WW1 to allegedly block the Berlin to Baghdad rail road and went on to become the first to use chemical weapons on the Kurds..

I have often wondered what the first world war was really all about, the most obvious reason to me is to block the world trade routes and fracture the great civilization that lived at its cross roads, that with the technological advancements of the day and all that oil were sure to become a great power..A power that had moral guidance when it came to banking , property rights and trade

Years later when Thatcher was calling Nelson Mandela a terrorist she was calling Bin Laden a freedom fighter and supplying him with weapons..They never did stop supporting the extremists..
 
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Every people teaches history to kids from a nationalistic pov. This is not unusual. However it is hard to find the unbiased true historic information. History, unlike other scinces, have all those influances ( politic, ideologic, religous) along with it. So a historian must be brave enough to stand up to that if he wants give true information. There had always been an anti Islamic sentiment in the west so it is normal not to have a good information of the history of Islam over there. However this apply to both sides..
 
Greetings,

anatolian said:
Every people teaches history to kids from a nationalistic pov. This is not unusual. However it is hard to find the unbiased true historic information. History, unlike other scinces, have all those influances ( politic, ideologic, religous) along with it. So a historian must be brave enough to stand up to that if he wants give true information.
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I agree. Narrative history is always coloured by the author's point of view and prior assumptions. This is one reason why, when Scimi tells us he is going to give us undistorted, real history and then calls 9/11 and 7/7 false flags, he instantly loses credibility with me.

There had always been an anti Islamic sentiment in the west so it is normal not to have a good information of the history of Islam over there. However this apply to both sides..
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It's perfectly possible to find good histories of Islam in the West if you know where to look.

Peace
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,



I agree. Narrative history is always coloured by the author's point of view and prior assumptions. This is one reason why, when Scimi tells us he is going to give us undistorted, real history and then calls 9/11 and 7/7 false flags, he instantly loses credibility with me.
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Brother show me where I've said to you real history is 9/11 and 7/7? I hate those overplayed modern narratives. Instead - I'm speaking of history in general, because history in general is written by the hand of the victor.

And it may surprise you to know that in my pursuit or truth, I have often disagreed with Muslims as well - in fact I wouldn't be surprised if I have had more disagreements with Muslims over any other group in my life regarding history lol.

czgibson said:
It's perfectly possible to find good histories of Islam in the West if you know where to look.

Peace
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Sure.

If I want to learn how to bake a wedding cake, I'll go to my local car mechanic next time - loool.

Scimi
 
Greetings,

Scimitar said:
Brother show me where I've said to you real history is 9/11 and 7/7? I hate those overplayed modern narratives.
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It's difficult for me to unwrap the collection of misunderstandings you seem to have made here. First, I don't claim you did say that (the statement is unclear in any case). Second, consider these words of yours:

An example of this Shock Doctrine is evident in our own lifetimes. 911 was a recent example, coupled with 7/7 and the other red flags events manufactured by the imperial west.
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You mention "red flags" when you appear to mean "false flags". How does bringing up widely rejected conspiracy theories help when the premise of your text is to oppose the Western narrative and replace it with one that is more accurate?

Instead - I'm speaking of history in general, because history in general is written by the hand of the victor.
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Yes, and I think you could do with continuing to read as much history in general as you can. History is a collection of often contradictory voices, not a single entity.

And it may surprise you to know that in my pursuit or truth, I have often disagreed with Muslims as well - in fact I wouldn't be surprised if I have had more disagreements with Muslims over any other group in my life regarding history lol.
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That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Peace
 
Scimitar said:
And it may surprise you to know that in my pursuit or truth, I have often disagreed with Muslims as well - in fact I wouldn't be surprised if I have had more disagreements with Muslims over any other group in my life regarding history lol.


Scimi
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Never!! ;D;D
 
czgibson said:
Greetings,

It's difficult for me to unwrap the collection of misunderstandings you seem to have made here. First, I don't claim you did say that (the statement is unclear in any case). ...

You mention "red flags" when you appear to mean "false flags". How does bringing up widely rejected conspiracy theories help when the premise of your text is to oppose the Western narrative and replace it with one that is more accurate?
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No, I meant RED flags - while you entertain the false flag idea. Either way, 9/11 is still controversial and hotly debated across the world. Wasn't the Muslims who shouted "insider job" was it? nope, was an American who made that fahrenheit 911 which set the trend lol.


czgibson said:
Yes, and I think I could do with continuing to read as much history in general as I can. History is a collection of often contradictory voices, not a single entity.

That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Peace
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Corrected for you, enjoy ;) just make sure you go to a car mechanic if you wanna learn how to do your own MOT. lol And a baker if you want bread yeah?

Scimi
 

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