Widower/widow with children, and getting married again

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Personally, I think whether one remarries or not depends a lot on their age. For example, a younger widow/widower would have a greater requirement to remarry. On the other hand, someone older, like in your case, won't need to remarry so much and can focus on their children. Well, that's my opinion.
I often feel hesitate to remarry because I am worry it will give psychological effect to my children. But in another side I can't deny that I feel lonely without a partner. And it put me in 'risky' situation because maybe I would lose control. So what I do now is spend my times with my children to prevent me fall into fitnah that could be happen if I spend my time alone outside the home.
 
"Does Allah want me....... ". This is the question that suddenly came to my mind since few weeks ago. Yes, something happen.

Few weeks ago someone came to my office to say her condolences. She just knew that my wife had passed away after she met my another friend. I have never met her for long time. My last contact with her happened on phone 19 years ago when she phone me in my office.

We talked many things, and she told me that she had divorced since long time ago and doesn't have child. It's shocked me. Last contact happened because she wanted to tell me that she had married. It made me happy because I thought finally she met someone who could cure her pain after she could not get the man who she loved.

She told me that she wanted to build again the ties of silaturahim that ever existed when we were young and unmarried. So we built again our ties silaturahim. We met again when she visited my office again, and we also share news through phone message. But we don't do something wrong.

She look older now, of course. But she still not changed. She still kind and attentive to me. And I can feel that she still keep a special feeling that ever caused pain in her heart. It raised a question in my mind.

I've ever heard that if we lost something, then Allah will replace it. The meeting again with her make me wonder, does Allah made it happen?, does Allah want me ....... "

But currently I haven't think about that. For this time I choose to focus to raise up my children. Also I notice, my children still haven't ready to accept someone new beside me.

I don't know what will happen tomorrow. But I believe, if Allah want something happen, then it will be happen. If Allah want something not to be happen, then it will not happen.
 
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Its better to be in polygamy if one dies other will be thre..

Polygamy is permissible in Islam, but it should not based on principle "I should have more than one wife. So, if I lose one, I still have the other". That is playboy's principle in having girlfriends. :hmm:

But honestly, the question in my mind came because I have a view that almost similar although I see it from different angle. I am not a man who like polygamy. I prefer monogamy marriage. And also I was not a playboy when I was young. But I could not avoid situation which I had 'waiting list' with few names on it when I was with my first future wife.

The woman who meet me again was on the list, but not on the top. On the top was the girl who then became my wife. That's why when my first future wife decided to not marry me, I went to girl who ten became my wife. And not so long I got phone call from someone who want to confirm the news that she heard. She was the girl who now meet me again.

My wife passed away on June 2013, and a month later some people started to urge me to get 'the new one'. Started by my late wife's friend who introduced me to someone, and when she saw I looked not enthusiast she whisper "If you feel not matched with her, I will introduce you to more women". Wow!

Insistence from some people sometime makes me think "Should I get married again?". But I am worry it will break my children happiness. And finally I arrived in thought, I will not think about getting married again. But then someone come again.

Frankly, if she was not someone who ever on the 'waiting list' I would not have question "Does Allah want me to get married again?". I feel like Allah shows me that I still have someone if I want to get married again.

Now I am in confusion, should I change my mind and get married again. Honestly, in last few days I used my time to read articles about "single parent and getting married again". But I still confused.
 
I totaly understand what you are saying. You are thinling about your childrena happiness and you feel your kids wont accept someone else as there mother.
 
Just this morning I realize I should not let sympathy (or pity?) to her makes me lose my ability to thinking clearly. Like I've said she was in pain because she could not get the man who she loved. That man was me.

It made her often insinuated by her friends. She was also ever verbally abused by my ex-future wife who felt jealous when they accidentally met. But she was always in patience, and always kind, always attentive to me. It made me had a sympathy to her.

Now I notice her attitude toward me still doesn't changed. It make me feel that she still keep a love in her heart, and it raised a question in my mind, should I make her reach her dream?.

To be honest, I am worry that I will hurt her. But I must prioritize my children feeling over my feeling.

This is one problem that can be happen to single parents.
 
Assalaamu alaikum Ardianto,


(smile) You seem to be vacillating a lot on this question.


It seems to me that on the one side, you have a very natural wish to find a wife, but on the other, you have a fear of the consequences. But it seems to me that you are not very clear on many things.


Have you considered drawing up a list of the pros and cons, a bit as you might if you were planning setting up a new business? And I mean actually writing them down. There are obvious ones, which you have noted: pro: you feel lonely. A wife could help fill this void. Con: your new wife may not get on with your sons. But there are other points, that perhaps should be considered.


To help you come up with your list of pros and cons, you might want to ask yourself the following questions: Do I ever want to marry again? If yes, when? (And consider how likely it is that you can marry at a given age.) What does marriage mean to me? What do I want of it? (And put your requirements in order). Companionship? Sex? To help with my finances? To gain status of some kind (not just status through marrying a woman who has status, but also societal status for being married, perhaps)? Children (and consider that if you definitely don't want any more children, this may limit the women who would want to marry you. But if you want children, then you have to consider the likelihood that a woman with high childbearing potential (i.e. young ) will want to marry you)? A wish to look after someone (and feel your importance as a husband- it seems to me that men tend to have a need to feel like they are looking after a woman, in order for them to feel really satisfied with themselves)? Other reasons…?


As a Muslim, it seems to me that there is also a spiritual dimension to the question of marriage. As it is stated in a well-known hadith, marriage is half of one's deen. Half! Why?


I meditated on this question a while back. And it seems to me that the reason marriage is so important is because it opens us up to change and challenges. In other words, the prerequisites for spiritual growth. Even the best of marriages (as you know) are not easy. We can learn to be patient, loving, forgiving, kind... but also strong, self-sufficient, just, firm, good, fulfilling our trusts, wise... and grateful... indeed, we can practice so many of the Divine Qualities. And it is not only in the socially “successful” marriages that we can learn these. It may be that we will learn and practice these qualities though marriages that ultimately “fail”.


I met a woman a little while ago. She was in her early 50's. And she had a “successful” marriage: she was still married to her first husband. She had several children, one even married with a child. Her husband was wealthy. He went regularly to the jum'ah prayer. But as I got to know her, I discovered some rather deep problems. Her husband neglected her, and her children. He no longer even pays for her food (her children support her). He no longer sleeps with her. He has been violent for many years, both towards her, and towards his children. He has scammed one of his children of some very large sums of money (to the point where this child feels he can't marry). He has falsely accused one of being a threat to him (fortunately, the police didn't believe him). He cheats on his fasting in Ramadan, when he thinks no one sees him... And the woman? Yes, she is sweet and kind. Very patient. But she is also very dependent. She gets nervous going out by herself. She has stood by while great injustices have been done to her children. She permits people around her to mistreat her (not just her husband).


And contemplating this woman, I suddenly realized that Allah, in His Wisdom, offers us many lessons through marriage. But that the dissolution of marriage is not necessarily a failure to learn these lessons. Perhaps, sometimes, we can only learn the lessons we need through the agonizing process of a marital failure. Perhaps. (smile) Though not necessarily.


What I am trying to say, is that marriage, whether it's “good” or not, whether it is “successful” or not, is actually a great opportunity for us to work on those qualities that bring us closer to Allah. If we love Allah, then we will want to be like Him. Though we can never succeed, we can get closer. Islam is about submitting to God's Will, and finding the inner peace that comes with this. But ihsan, I believe, is about thirsting to get closer to God. It is about loving Him so intensely that you want to emulate him in the feeble way that a human can.


I would suggest that marriage is an important tool for both submitting to Allah (because He Made us to be a complementary pair), and also for getting really close to Him. And this, I think, is why marriage is so highly recommended. It is not just about the propagation of humankind. It is also about finding the balance of the complementary pair, and it can also be about the optimal growth of the human essence.


Now perhaps you are saying to yourself: well, ok, what if I'd like to marry... but what about my children? What if they get hurt? This is a very valid and excellent point. Your children are a trust Allah has Entrusted you with. And fulfilling trusts is part of getting closer to the One Who Fulfills All Trusts.


You have also cherished the idea of marrying, and never letting go. This is a very wonderful idea- in the right circumstances. But as I myself discovered (I used to cherish the same idea), sometimes, you must let go of this idea. Sometimes, the person to whom you are married is not a nice person. (gently) And indeed, it is more true to say that we are all forced to let go, in the end. As you know, perhaps, letting go is one of the lessons we are given to learn in this life. Because in the end, we have to let go of everything that we hold precious, and stand naked except for our deeds, in front of our Creator. (smile) And if our ragged deeds are stitched into clothes of rare and costly fabrics by our Compassionate and Merciful Lord... then he fills our longing hands with all we ever desired to hold... and more.


So perhaps, rather than saying to yourself: if I marry, I'm going to hold on no matter what + my children are precious and need to be protected, therefore, better not marry because things may not work out... why not change the equation to: My children are precious and need to be protected + I will marry, but if she is not good to my children, I will divorce her...?


Is divorce easy? No, it never is. But it is an option, if necessary. And it can be a learning process, too.


Perhaps you may say to yourself: ok, what about if I wait till my children are all grown and have families of their own, and then I'll look for a wife. After all, there seem to be plenty of options!


Mmm. For now this is true. But will this always be true? And how long do you think it will be till your sons leave your home?

I have read that young women tend to be very choosy (smile, and I've read men's irritated comments about this!), but that as they get older, and they realize that they are not so appealing anymore, and that time is running out for them to have a family, they become less picky, and indeed may marry rather unwisely, if they panic. Men have a different lifecycle, in that their appeal increases as they age, then splits into two, so tospeak. That is, the younger women (under 30) are not so interested in them, but women closer to their own age are perhaps more interested. At first, the men in their late 30's and early 40's feel depressed about this because they notice the younger women's reactions (and their own aging bodies), and ignore the older women's reactions. They go through a mid-life crisis. But then, once they have made peace with their aging selves, they start to realize that there are a lot of available women over the age of 30. And now it is the men who get choosy (twinkle, and the women who complain!). But, just as the women realize one day that they are not so appealing, so do men become less appealing as they age, though this is more apparent to men as they get closer to 55-60, I find (there is a certain amount of variation between men). (smile) I read recently that the Hollywood actor Jack Nicholson, who had formerly boasted of sleeping with 2000 women (yuk...!)...is feeling lonely. No one is interested in him anymore, it seems. This has happened to him later in life than many, but it goes to show that we all reach this point in the end. We become less attractive to the other gender.


I have also been noticing that women after menopause seem to feel less of a need for men. There seem therefore to be less women actively looking for a husband after this age (around 52-55;again, there is variation between women).


So basically, right now, you have a lot of appeal. If you wait 10 years, you may have less, and you may find that the number of women available has decreased. (twinkle) As a businessman, would you wait till the customers start to lose interest in your product before putting it onto a shrinking market?


Furthermore, you believe that a particular woman you know, cares about you. If a woman cares about you, she will very likely care about your children. Particularly if she has none of her own (though even if she had some of her own, you'd be surprised how attached a woman can become to another woman's child...we tend to be a bit crazy about children, you know. (twinkle) A bit like how men are crazy about attractive women).


You are being presented right now with several women who are of an age to be interested in marrying you, to whom you were attracted when you were young, who are of a similar background to you, and who even care about you! What more could you ask for?! Furthermore, this puts you in a very solid position to to consider the next point: unusual solutions.


For instance, is it absolutely necessary for you and your wife to live together? Of course, it is nicest (and cheapest) for everyone to be together, but is this the only option? Could you not, perhaps, live in your house/apartment with your children, and your wife live in another house/apartment? Perhaps even next door? You could do this in the short-term, whilst everyone is getting to know each other, or you could prolong it till when your sons move out with families of their own, if necessary (because in your culture, from what you have said, the men join their wives' families).


Would all women accept this? No. But some would. Maybe you could find one that would (if you were interested in this option)?


Of course, if you are hoping for a wife who could physically care for you and your children (healthy food and a clean house are nice to have...), then unless she lives really close to you, you won't get this benefit. But if you want someone to talk with, ask advice of, fulfil your needs for some physical closeness... it could work.


There may be other unusual solutions. If you are interested in marrying, I'm sure you could find a way to make things work, either by yourself... or perhaps your future wife could offer some ideas...or others around you... As long as divorce is an option, you can afford to take a risk (though if you opt for more children, this makes things more risky...).

And you know, it may be that your future wife could bring great benefits for your children. Not all step-mothers are evil, you know. It could happen that she live with you, be a fabulous cook (junk food is no good for growing boys, you know…), be wise, caring… and have an interest in football (or whatever your sons are interested in)! Knowing that you can get out of an unpleasant situation, means that you can take the risk of trying for a much better situation, too.

Of course, you must have the strength to opt out of an unpleasant situation… but maybe the love you have for your children will give you that strength…?

Finally, on an unrelated point (I'm not quite sure why a previous poster brought it up in the context of this thread), polygyny does not have to be about playboys (though it seems that this is a stereotype in your culture, which effectively means that pretty much only playboys take this option, as decent men would be ashamed to, and therefore, the stereotype is validated). It could be about kindness. It could, indeed, be an act of worship, done for the sake of Allah. (twinkle) You could, perhaps, make all the available women happy (unless there are more than four...).(laugh) Ok, I know this isn't for you. You're struggling to even figure out if you could marry one! But then again, if you could hold this image in your mind for a few moments (even as a joke), perhaps you might be able to realize that just one wife... isn't so difficult? That perhaps you are more capable of dealing with remarriage than you currently believe?

(smile) Anyway, think about it. We humans tend to get fixated on one of two options (in your case: marriage for your needs or singleness for your children's needs). But often, there are many more options and shades of colour…if we choose to look. I've thrown out a few ideas. Perhaps you can generate one that fills your particular situation and needs?


(gently) May Allah, the Giver of Life, Help you... to live again.
 
If we love Allah, then we will want to be like Him. [...] It is about loving Him so intensely that you want to emulate him in the feeble way that a human can.

:salam: sister,

I must admit, I have not read through the thread, only the last post which has some good food for thought. However, there is one part, which I thought needed clarification.

If we love Allah, then we will want to be like Him.

Say, (O Muhammad): "If you love Allah, follow me; Allah will love you and forgive you your sins. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (3:31)

The Prophet :saws: was commanded by Allah to tell people, that if we love Allah, then we should follow the Prophet :saws:, not that if we love Allah, we should try to be like Allah.

Allah sent human messengers to people, to be human role-models and examples of what we ought to be like, and we should strive to emulate the human exemplars that they were, within the finite bounds of our humanness.

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah (Muhammad SAW) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes in (the Meeting with) Allah and the Last Day and remembers Allah much. (33:21)

It is the prophet :saws: who we should try to be like. He embodied all the excellent qualities we should have, and it is he :saws: who we should try to emulate, to try to get closer to Allah.

Say: "If there were on the earth, angels walking about in peace and security, We should certainly have sent down for them from the heaven an angel as a Messenger." (17:95)

Allah only sends as examples, those of the same kind as those being sent to. So a human would not be expected to emulate an angel for example.

And so, we are not expected to try to be like Allah, and nor should we try to. There is the risk that to do so could be inadvertently bordering on/leading to, shirk. If we want to be kind and forgiving, then we have an example in the Prophet :saws:. If we want to be generous, then we have an example in the Prophet :saws: . Yes, Allah is kind and generous in ways that only He can be, e.g. sustaining the whole world with food and drink, even the tiniest insect. We cannot do that. Our example, is in the Prophet :saws:.

And Allah knows best.
 
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Wa'alaikumsalam, sister MuslimInshallah.

When I was kid there was a popular song that describes life of unmarried young man is full of freedom because there's no someone who forbid him to go anywhere. Then when I had grown up as young man I knew that's true. I could do anything I wanted to do, I could go anywhere and anytime without someone forbade me.

I was like a bird that flew freely to wherever I want. I really enjoyed something which called freedom.

But was I happy?. In the beginning yes, until I saw a nest with couples of birds and their children. They looked very happy in the warmth of their nest. And suddenly I felt an emptiness in my heart. Suddenly I realize, I could fly anywhere but I flew to nowhere.

People say, marriage is like a jail. Yes I know that's true. But I am very happy to live in this "jail sweet jail". I had lost my freedom. But I got something that more valuable. The warmth of my own family. A warmth which called love. [smile]

So, I don't need to write down the pros and cons of married life because this pro and con is simple. If I lived as single I had freedom to fly anywhere that I want, but I would fly with emptiness in my heart.

Now after I lost my wife should I have someone new?. One thing that not everyone realizes, I lost my wife, but I still have my family. My children are my family, and I still have responsibility toward them. Their happiness is my priority. This is the reason why until now I still not remarry. Frankly, if I don't have children, very possible now I already have new wife.

Yes, I often get question why I do not try to get new wife. I know they wonder about it because they are sure that there's must be a woman who would accept me if I tried to find a wife. But actually this is what makes me worry. I am worry I would be accepted by a woman while the situation still not supportive.

I have no problem if I was rejected by a woman. I could go to the second woman. If rejected by the second woman?. I could go to the third woman. If all women reject me?. It's okay. It's mean I was destined to not get married again. But if I accepted by a woman but then my children reject her?.

I know, the reason why a woman accepts my marriage proposal is because she wants to get married and she regards me as the right man to be her husband. So she would be happy when she accepts my proposal. But then if I tell her "Sorry, I must cancel our marriage plan", what would she feel?.

So sister, if I decide to not try to find the new wife at this time, it’s because I do not want to hurt the feeling of a woman. I really consider the woman's feeling in this matter. This is what people don't understand about me. [smile]

Yes, I am often thinking how if my children, especially the youngest, need long time to can accept a new woman beside me. It's mean I must spend long time in my loneliness. Age is not really become problem for me. I believe, ten years later after I 57 I still have a chance to get someone. It's not because I overconfident, but because I do not look for the "young and beautiful".

If she's not young, but in my age?. It's okay. If she's not beautiful?. It's okay. If she had children?. Still okay. If she had bad behavior?. That's not okay!. What I consider is her character, personality, and behavior, which include her level of piousness. Yes, I want to have a wife who can make me closer to Allah, not being farther to Allah.

Why don't I look for "the young and beautiful"?. Oh sis, I know my condition and I know the situation. When I was young I indeed, was a good looking guy. But now?. I am just the former of good looking guy. Indeed, now still there are women who try to get my attention although very few. But I notice the difference. In the past the girls who tried to approach me were the girls who confident that they could get a good looking guy. But now?. They are desperate divorced women who think "I am lucky if there is a man who is willing to marry me".

By the way. My mother married again after my father passed away. My step-father was in late of 50’s age in that time. My mother in-law passed away when my oldest son was little kid. Then my father in-law got married again when he was in mid of 60’s age.

But actually what make me worry is if something happen and put me in situation which I 'meet someone' but my children still can't accept a new woman beside me. It would put me in confusion about how to tell my children. And to be honest, I still don't know how to tell my children. I am worry it will disturb their happiness.

Of course before I take decision to marry someone I must predict anything that can be happen in the future including how if my new wife and my children always in conflict. Should I divorce her?. No!. What I would do is try to reconcile her and my children and I would do the best thing that I could do. What if she had bad behavior?

Okay, let me say, the meaning of wife for me is the part of myself. So if then I find she has bad behavior, then instead of throw her out I would try to guide her to leave her bad behaviors and become the better person. I would do it because I must love her.

I have a principle, if I have a wife, then whatever happen to her, I will always love her. Maybe this principle sound unusual for many men. But I am sure you know that I am not kidding with this principle.


About option which I live with my children while my wife lives in separate home. Oh, sis, if I consider this option now I already had a new wife under 20 years old. As easy like this to get a young girl?. Sister, have you ever realize how destructive the effect of poverty toward mindset of poor people?.

I have realized it since I was young. Not because I was poor, but because I was born in upper middle class family and I grew up together with boys from my social class. We were the boys who drove our own cars and having fun anytime. The life like this made us meet the girls from poor families who saw us as people who could give them pleasant life.

And I have often seen through my eyes what those rich boys had done to those poor girls. Indeed, those poor girls had fallen on the wrong path. But why those rich boys misuse them?. Why didn't the rich boy treat the poor girl better?. Take her as a wife, not just sex toy that will be thrown out when he start to getting bored with her?.

Sis, I am not type of man who buy a woman by money. Unlike some other men who buy women by money as their other wives and put them in separate homes which visited only when those men need to have pleasure. If I married again, I would bring my new wife to live with me in the home where she would be the queen there. I will never buy a woman by money, but I will buy a woman by love. [smile]
 

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