Wildfire on Israel?

[Serinity]

When transgressors go rampant, etc. and the good-doers and pious do not do anything about it. The Punishment of Allah won't just be afflicted upon the transgressors, but also upon those who did not forbid their wrongdoings, etc.

Remember about a town / city of transgressors, which was to be destroyed by the command of Allah, and the Angels AS came back saying that pious man was there, praying, or something. Allah commanded the Angels to start the destruction with that pious man? Why?

Because he did not forbid evil or spread Islam.

Any scholar can correct me if I am wrong, but I feel, that as Muslims, it is our duty, as a respond to this, to become better, and invite people to Islam, and the transgressors too.

Fire on fire, will collapse into a bigger fire. I am not saying to be hippy and lovely, and complete pacifists, etc. But to act according to Islam, Quran, the Sunnah.. 100%

Yes, there are enemies of Islam, however, Afaik, not every non muslim is an enemy of Islam or Allah.

While I hate Isrealitess dirty actions, and detest them for their actions, I do not find it justifiable to project that unto their off-spring, cuz, afaik, in Islam, sins are not passed down to their off-spring.

They are obviously corrupt souls decieved by shaytaan and their egos to ban the Adhaan. Audhu billah.
Allahu alam.

 

[Mustafa16]

When transgressors go rampant, etc. and the good-doers and pious do not do anything about it. The Punishment of Allah won't just be afflicted upon the transgressors, but also upon those who did not forbid their wrongdoings, etc.

Remember about a town / city of transgressors, which was to be destroyed by the command of Allah, and the Angels AS came back saying that pious man was there, praying, or something. Allah commanded the Angels to start the destruction with that pious man? Why?

Because he did not forbid evil or spread Islam.

Any scholar can correct me if I am wrong, but I feel, that as Muslims, it is our duty, as a respond to this, to become better, and invite people to Islam, and the transgressors too.

Fire on fire, will collapse into a bigger fire. I am not saying to be hippy and lovely, and complete pacifists, etc. But to act according to Islam, Quran, the Sunnah.. 100%

Yes, there are enemies of Islam, however, Afaik, not every non muslim is an enemy of Islam or Allah.

While I hate Isrealitess dirty actions, and detest them for their actions, I do not find it justifiable to project that unto their off-spring, cuz, afaik, in Islam, sins are not passed down to their off-spring.

They are obviously corrupt souls decieved by shaytaan and their egos to ban the Adhaan. Audhu billah.
Allahu alam.

turns out, it wasn't the wrath of Allah...it was al Qaeda.....read about it here...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...adat-al-mujahideen-mount-carmel-a7439271.html

 

[Scimitar]

Exactly, when Allah destroys a people, KHALAAS - aint no saving them.

With this wildfire, this was not natural causes but, maliciously manifested.

People need to stop the high horse stuff, fast.

Scimi

 

[piXie]

SubhanAllaah, I can't believe some of the comments here. There is a much bigger Dhulm happening in the ummah at the hands of these enemies of Allaah. They are a terrorist state and they r constantly bombing the ummah left right and centre and still continue to do so. Have they stopped committing crimes and aggressions against Islam and the people of Tawheed that we feel it is our duty to help them? No. Have our minds become so sick and colonised that we still feel it a duty to help such a criminal State? Look at the position of the ummah - what position have they left us in? What Muslim duty do we have to put out their fire when there have been fires burning all over Muslim lands caused by these devils, and we haven't even done our duty to put out those fires first. Those fires are still burning and for months and we are worried about protecting the trees and wildlife in Israel? Who's fires are more deserving to be put out - the oppressors or those who have been oppressed? We are so concerned about the innocents in Israel, what about the innocents in the Muslim lands? How can we even talk about trees and wildlife when the ummah is screaming for help and no one has come to their aid. Has Israel stopped attacking the Muslims and Mosques that we should help them? No. Are they even remorseful for their actions that we should help them? No. They want to destroy the call of Allah, and now Allah has inflicted them with a museebah, they are being inflicted with a small taste of their own medicine, and we feel it is our duty to help them and save them? What is wrong with us, wallaahi what is wrong with us that we feel it a duty to help those who are trying to destroy the ummah. They are at war with us and once this fire is out they will continue in their war because Israel has no intentions of stopping their heinous crimes.

Islam is a mercy to mankind but understand the situation and position we are in today. If a murderer breaks into our home do we start giving them dawah and say Islam is rahmatulil alameen, what kind of misguidance and misapplication of Islam is this. La Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

 

[anatolian]

SubhanAllaah, I can't believe some of the comments here. There is a much bigger Dhulm happening in the ummah at the hands of these enemies of Allaah. They are a terrorist state and they r constantly bombing the ummah left right and centre and still continue to do so. Have they stopped committing crimes and aggressions against Islam and the people of Tawheed that we feel it is our duty to help them? No. Have our minds become so sick and colonised that we still feel it a duty to help such a criminal State? Look at the position of the ummah - what position have they left us in? What Muslim duty do we have to put out their fire when there have been fires burning all over Muslim lands caused by these devils, and we haven't even done our duty to put out those fires first. Those fires are still burning and for months and we are worried about protecting the trees and wildlife in Israel? Who's fires are more deserving to be put out - the oppressors or those who have been oppressed? We are so concerned about the innocents in Israel, what about the innocents in the Muslim lands? How can we even talk about trees and wildlife when the ummah is screaming for help and no one has come to their aid. Has Israel stopped attacking the Muslims and Mosques that we should help them? No. Are they even remorseful for their actions that we should help them? No. They want to destroy the call of Allah, and now Allah has inflicted them with a museebah, they are being inflicted with a small taste of their own medicine, and we feel it is our duty to help them and save them? What is wrong with us, wallaahi what is wrong with us that we feel it a duty to help those who are trying to destroy the ummah. They are at war with us and once this fire is out they will continue in their war because Israel has no intentions of stopping their heinous crimes.

Islam is a mercy to mankind but understand the situation and position we are in today. If a murderer breaks into our home do we start giving them dawah and say Islam is rahmatulil alameen, what kind of misguidance and misapplication of Islam is this. La Hawla wa la quwwata illa billah.

Sis. Firstly there are Muslims living in Israel as well. Secondly, trees and animals are also damaged by this fire. Even if you dont care the liives of Jews you must care those ones. Other than this I must tell you not to let you anger towards a nation blind your eyes. There are still innocent people within Jews of Israel who cannot be blamed with the crimes of the State. A Muslim better be more merciful in such circumstances since it is better to forgive the criminal mistakenly than punishing the innocent..

 

[Scimitar]

Pixie, you're more of a terrorist than they are, judging by your opinion.

Scimi

 

[islamirama]

Sis. Firstly there are Muslims living in Israel as well. Secondly, trees and animals are also damaged by this fire. Even if you dont care the liives of Jews you must care those ones. Other than this I must tell you not to let you anger towards a nation blind your eyes. There are still innocent people within Jews of Israel who cannot be blamed with the crimes of the State. A Muslim better be more merciful in such circumstances since it is better to forgive the criminal mistakenly than punishing the innocent..

Look at the majority, not the minority. Over all as a nation they have committed a holocaust of the Palestinians in the 60 year occupation of that land. How many have their bombed, murdered in cold blood? how many biological and chemical bombs have they thrown on our brothers and sisters. Jailing thousands of kids in jail for years, burning muslims by the mobs, kicking muslims out and taking over their houses, raping muslim women and then blackmailing them to cooperate with those rape pictures, how much more do they need to suffer?

When Allah's punishment comes it comes on all of them and not just the evil ones. Maybe it is you who is blind and need to open your eyes, Allahs' wrath and anger descends upon those who wage war against His believers. Are you talking about mercy when Muslims should be invading that terrorist state and putting an end to them?

Pixie, you're more of a terrorist than they are, judging by your opinion.

Scimi

If speaking out against the terrorists makes you one then so be it. We will see who is the terrorist in Allah's court.

 

[sister herb]

I don´t see why we should mix together bombing of ummah and wildfire. They are two separate matters and haven´t any links together. About this wildfire in (1948) occupied Palestine; how rejoicing about it would help Palestinians or any other people whose are targets of the zionist aggression? Could we (even at once) try to talk one matter at once, not mix all separate things together.

I see this kind of discussion is quite similar like those in the past where some members have claimed it is justified to make attacks against civilians "because they (their governments) too kill civilians elsewhere".

 

[Scimitar]

Great post sister herb!

members here (won't name names) are making a wildfire into a terrorist incident lol.

It's the inability to determine any truth from this event which makes ignorant people sponsor ignorant claims.

Scimi

 

[anatolian]

When Allah's punishment comes it comes on all of them and not just the evil ones. Maybe it is you who is blind and need to open your eyes, Allahs' wrath and anger descends upon those who wage war against His believers. Are you talking about mercy when Muslims should be invading that terrorist state and putting an end to them?

Yes I do although Israel is continously persecuting Muslims in Palestine. A Muslim is supposed to be just in all circumstances. We must have a clear mind to seperate different things and consider them justly. Someone must end Israel's crimes is a different thing, someone must help "people in Israel" in a fire is completely a different thing. You can't be sure of neither this fire was a punishment from Allah to them nor all the ones who are burning are the bad guys. Our duty as Muslims is to help people who are in need. That's it. You will be judged with this. If Allah intended to punish some people over there with this fire, make sure that even if all mankind help them no one can save the ones whom Allah wanted to punish.

 

[piXie]

Our duty as Muslims is to help people who are in need.

:salamext:

Brother, I agree that as Muslims it is our duty to help people who are in need but we need to understand that there is more need that the Muslim ummah be helped. The Muslim ummah is more in need and more deserving of our help. If we truly felt part of the body of the ummah the way we should be feeling and we understood our position and situation today, our minds would be so worried, that we wouldn't even be making comments and statements like it is our Muslim duty to help Israel, especially when they already have plenty of help from their allies. I understand there may be innocents in Israel and we don't like for any innocents to suffer, but we need to understand that that's not our fault - what position has this State left us in to help them when they won't stop attacking us. Israel is responsible for their own people. Innocents are being massacred and suffering all over Muslim lands at the hands of these devils and we are barely trying to handle our own dire situation and extinguish the fires in the Muslim lands. We haven't done our duty to help the oppressed in the ummah, and we are speaking about our duty to help the oppressor - this is what is appalling. We speak about justice, but where is the justice for this ummah? We speak about mercy, where is the mercy for those being oppressed in this ummah? We speak about compassion, where is the compassion for this ummah? Where is the help for the ummah? Have we become so dis-attached from the Muslim body and have our minds become so colonised that we cannot understand this?

Pixie, you're more of a terrorist than they are, judging by your opinion.

Really Scimitar, sometimes your comments are more ridiculous than Donald Trump's are :hmm:

 

[anatolian]

Yes it is our weakness that we don't do anything when Israel is persesuting Palestinains but we expect the justice from a fire. This is pure weakness.

 

[talibilm]

After Prophet :saws: forgave and freed the war prisoners of Taif even with his own funds who did not even to their strict habbit of honouring guests but chased Prophet away from their city with pelting stones, it did change their heart towards Islam .So lets give a last try here inshallah but do not have high hopes and do it for Allah's sake . You will, be greater in the sight of Allah.

 

[anatolian]

History continously proves that we still need an Islamic power like the Rashidun Khaliphate or Ottoman Empire today. If we go on to be weak we will go on to be oppresed

 

[piXie]

Yes it is our weakness that we don't do anything when Israel is persesuting Palestinains but we expect the justice from a fire. This is pure weakness.

Brother, we don't expect justice from a fire. This fire is just a taste. Only Allahs fire will do the oppressors justice. But if this fire is keeping them and their energies busy for a while so they cannot focus their energies on committing more crimes against the Muslims, it would be pure foolishness for us to help them put this fire out.

P.s. Your signature is a good reminder.

@ brother talibilm - if you are trying to change Israels heart, you are greatly mistaken to say the least. They will never decrease in their enmity towards the Muslim ummah - and this is clear in many Hadith too.

They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the signs if you understand.[Quran 3:118]

 

[azc]

:wa:What would you feel if your house was on fire, and your non-Muslim neighbors refused to help you just because you are Muslim?.

valid point

 

[Serinity]

If keeping the fire on, keeps them busy, then I'd be happy to have the fire on for as long as they exist.

Cuz if putting out the fire means them going back to their ways of killing Muslims, then the fire should be on.

Allahu alam.

 

[piXie]

This is exactly what is happening in Aleppo, infact the non Muslims r throwing bombs on them instead of helping them, and the Muslim members here are speaking about their duty to help put out the fire in Israel? What sickness has inflicted our minds and hearts that we have started sympathising more with the terrorists.

:wa:

What would you feel if your house was on fire, and your non-Muslim neighbors refused to help you just because you are Muslim?.

 

[Serinity]

Brother, we don't expect justice from a fire. This fire is just a taste. Only Allahs fire will do the oppressors justice. But if this fire is keeping them and their energies busy for a while so they cannot focus their energies on committing more crimes against the Muslims, it would be pure foolishness for us to help them put this fire out.

P.s. Your signature is a good reminder.

@ brother talibilm - if you are trying to change Israels heart, you are greatly mistaken to say the least. They will never decrease in their enmity towards the Muslim ummah - and this is clear in many Hadith too.

And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say; “Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance”. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper (2:120)

However, this does not mean we should not act in justice. Just because they hate is, doesn't mean we have to hate them back. Just respond with justice. Right?

We follow Islam, completely. If they dislike that, their problem. However, our enmity towards them, or their enmity towards us, should not make us sway from Justice.

If we respond with hatred just because they hate us, will that really solve anything? I'd rather respond with Justice, as per. Quran etc.

Succumbing to this hate game will just hurt us more.

Allahu alam.

 

[islamirama]

we got whipped Muslims in the ummah who bleed for the enemies and murderers of Muslims but feel nothing for the Muslims. I never see them speak out against the atrocities of the kuffars or in defensive of the oppressed, not even make a dua and yet they lecture others about being just in Islam.

May Allah throw a 1,000 fires on the israhell and destroy all those kuffars engaging in oppressing, murdering and raping Muslims. Ameen!

The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter (5:33)



And Allah does not like the Mufsidun (mischief-makers) (5:64)