Will atheist ever get the proof of God's existence?

[Azy]

I believe I have already stated, that unlike your person I am not a google scholar, and I am amused of how much you enjoy flaunting it.. as for saving myself the trouble well my index finger doesn't hurt from writing and clicking search, any more than yours I assume, but my time, is indeed wasted where you seem to have plenty of it on your hands.

If it only takes a few mouseclicks to unwind your argument imagine you had to defend your ideas against a real person.

How would you distinguish manipulation of text really what methods do you employ when all you rely on is plagiarized material of the familiar variety?

Decyphering...
Relying on plagiarised material?
If you read back all you'll find are a few ayat from the Pickthall translation and the National Weather Service page on atmospheric layers.

How would I distinguish manipulation?
Well you posted on the moon split thread. Let's take a photo of a feature from a funny angle so it looks like something it isn't. Maybe we could take an image related to the atmosphere that has seven things marked on it, regardless of whether they're actually what we say they are.

I have fwd the last of queries to the original refuter, see if he'd graciousely make time for you!

Indeed, and maybe he'd do it graciously.

You're fluent in Arabic and English and have a good knowledge of the Quran, is it so hard for you to tell me what those passages say and mean?

 

[جوري]

If it only takes a few mouseclicks to unwind your argument imagine you had to defend your ideas against a real person.
Decyphering...
Relying on plagiarised material?
If you read back all you'll find are a few ayat from the Pickthall translation and the National Weather Service page on atmospheric layers.

Are you imaginary? or a computer generated response? haven't seen any unwinding yet, further I have nothing to defend.. there is however your ineptitude at reading, comprehending or doing any real work of your own-- you can't show enough respect by exercising something so simple, why do you expect others to invest the time? as stated prior I don't have all day to sit here and whittle away the chips on your shoulder!

How would I distinguish manipulation?
Well you posted on the moon split thread. Let's take a photo of a feature from a funny angle so it looks like something it isn't. Maybe we could take an image related to the atmosphere that has seven things marked on it, regardless of whether they're actually what we say they are.
Indeed, and maybe he'd do it graciously.

I don't see how a photo is evidence for or against an event aimed at querishi's some 1500 yrs ago? That is your comfort level.. a rile is a disturbance by definition, you are free to give it, the rendition of your choosing, but do it in its proper place so you don't at a later time come complaining of a thread being protracted and meandering.

You're fluent in Arabic and English and have a good knowledge of the Quran, is it so hard for you to tell me what those passages say and mean?

Ansar has a good way of curing by coning rather than my gentle cauterization for persistent verrucas. My time is better invested finding a compelling anecdote for the first slide of tomorrow's morning report!
I am sure if you are just a pinch patient you'll get a detailed response or are you filled with your usual concern and insecurity?


cheers ole chap

 

[Trumble]

It's rille, not 'rile'. From the German for 'groove'.

 

[جوري]

It's rille, not 'rile'. From the German for 'groove'.

It is inconsequential the spelling although thank you for the correction.. it is a disturbance in any number of ways to cause that furrow, erosion or a 'tool'--whatever the tool maybe..

cheers

 

[Trumble]

It is inconsequential the spelling although thank you for the correction.. it is a disturbance in any number of ways to cause that furrow, erosion or a 'tool'--whatever the tool maybe..

cheers

The spelling may be inconsequential but the meaning is not, particularly in view of your comments to Azy. As a consequence of using the wrong one you, in all innocence no doubt, attached the meaning of the wrong word to the concept being discussed, i.e 'disturbance'. That is indeed a meaning of 'rile', but not of 'rille' which is most certainly not a "a disturbance by definition".

Of course, I agree some sort of physical 'disturbance' must have been involved, but that is not suggested by the word and neither word nor phenomena have the slightest suggestion of 'moon splitting'. In other words, yet more classic Qur'anic sciento-tosh.

 

[جوري]

The spelling may be inconsequential but the meaning is not, particularly in view of your comments to Azy. As a consequence of using the wrong one you, in all innocence no doubt, attached the meaning of the wrong word to the concept being discussed, i.e 'disturbance'. That is indeed a meaning of 'rile', but not of 'rille' which is most certainly not a "a disturbance by definition".

Of course, I agree some sort of physical 'disturbance' must have been involved, but that is not suggested by the word and neither word nor phenomena have the slightest suggestion of 'moon splitting'. In other words, yet more classic Qur'anic sciento-tosh.

I am sorry, I am not following?.. where has anyone claimed that it is 'scientific' for you to add your famous 'tosh' ?

It is but a 'supernatural occurrence' as for ril, rille, rile or 'long narrow valley(s) on the moon's surface' .. they are still indeed caused by a disturbance natural of super, whether I misused the literal definition or not inoccently of course, it doesn't change the fact that they exist, or that Muslims believe that to be a direct result of that documented event.. perhaps your own renditions as to why they are there in an orbitual fashion, would prove less scient(tosh).. and I am sure many a google certfied scholars, will jump on your science fiction bandwagon so long as it is as far away from Islamic methodology as possible!

and I am all for it... it doesn't cause me discomfort for you to classify it, in the way of your choosing!

cheers ole chap

 

[Thinker]

Hi Thinker,



Here are some links:

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13998-prove-quran-word-god.html

http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/13658-prove-quran-not-word-god.html

Thanks Osman, I'll look at those links, I'm looking to learn rather than start a debate.

Thanks again

Thinker

 

[silkworm]

Oh, do I have to deal with kids??? Ofcourse the plants cannot live in deserts. so what are you gonna say next, the deserts cannoot become Alaska??? You would be right here, but in saying you are missing an important point.

The color, the flavour of each and everything is different for you to cherish them and bring a world of colors and sceneries and events. Consider you are stuck in a desert or in a place where you will have to eat a fish sandwich for 30 days staright, I believe that after a week or so, you would be craving for Pizzas, Lasagna, hotdogs etc.

This is how life works, these are the little charms that makes your life worth living and than consider the scenario wherein you would have nothing to eat. A ride in the car, taking a shower, sipping coke or pepsi there are the little things we are taking as granted.

Most of the Atheists I have met have done so to "keep their conscious" wet with the thought that "sin" is no sins and if it is considered a sin, that would make their life difficult, the guilt would eat 'em up.

All God says is to "obey Him", identify Him, the master Creator - He who has given humans the power to think.

 

[DAWUD_adnan]

So basically, because Allah is Hayyul-Qayyum, He is beyond anything that which can be radared by our senses.

 

[Skavau]

The color, the flavour of each and everything is different for you to cherish them and bring a world of colors and sceneries and events. Consider you are stuck in a desert or in a place where you will have to eat a fish sandwich for 30 days staright, I believe that after a week or so, you would be craving for Pizzas, Lasagna, hotdogs etc.

This is how life works, these are the little charms that makes your life worth living and than consider the scenario wherein you would have nothing to eat. A ride in the car, taking a shower, sipping coke or pepsi there are the little things we are taking as granted.

Is there anything in this somewhat sentimental red herring that actually has anything to do with he topic?

Most of the Atheists I have met have done so to "keep their conscious" wet with the thought that "sin" is no sins and if it is considered a sin, that would make their life difficult, the guilt would eat 'em up.

I don't believe you. In fact, judging by your absurd analysis - I don't believe you've even met and/or ever listened to an Atheist in your entire life. Most Atheists are Atheists because they don't believe in a God.

That is it. That is the definition of an Atheist.

 

[Azy]

I know medical personnel have a reputation for ego but this is getting silly.

Are you imaginary? or a computer generated response? haven't seen any unwinding yet, further I have nothing to defend..

I quoted a verse, you put forward your explanation and evidence, it was shown to be false.

Ansar has a good way of curing by coning rather than my gentle cauterization for persistent verrucas. My time is better invested finding a compelling anecdote for the first slide of tomorrow's morning report!
I am sure if you are just a pinch patient you'll get a detailed response or are you filled with your usual concern and insecurity?

Feel free to pass the buck to whomever you like.

 

[جوري]

I know medical personnel have a reputation for ego but this is getting silly.

I am sure your assessment will prove beneficial for many to convert their ways!

I quoted a verse, you put forward your explanation and evidence, it was shown to be false.

it actually wasn't.. as per Ansar
What he translated as lower heaven (as-samaa ad-dunya) is what I translated as cosmic heaven i.e. outer space. And obviously outer space is adorned with stars. So my entire explanation about seven layers of heaven being seven layers of the earth's atmosphere still stands perfectly.

(Of course, in the years since I wrote that I now prefer the interpretation of "samaa" or "samaawaat" as references to seven cosmic heavens, the lowest of which is our observable universe. Both my previous explanation - the one you cited - and my present one, are perfectly defensible.)

Feel free to pass the buck to whomever you like.

Not passing the buck at all, simply forwarding your comments to the original poster, which seems logical to me that if you have a question of someone's debate you address them directly in lieu of by way of..

cheers

 

[silkworm]

Had no God made this world, it were an insupportable place.
laws without a lawgiver matter without spirit is a gospel of dirt.

All that is good, generous, wise, right ... who or what could by any
Possibility has given it to me, but one who first had it to give!

This is not logic, it is axiom.... Poor "Comtism, ghastliest of
Algebraic specialties."... Canst _thou_ by searching find out God?

I am not surprised thou canst not, vain fool. If they do abolish
God from their poor bewildered hearts, there will be seen
Such a world as few is dreaming of.

"So, I say there is none good
but One,
and that is God".

 

[silkworm]

I firmly believe in what Allah said that "We have sealed their hearts and Minds", so ???

 

[Muezzin]

Will atheist ever get the proof of God's existence?

No, because nobody can prove anything. Prove you exist.

You can give evidence however. Whether or not the person you’re giving it to believes it or comes to the same conclusion as you is up to them. C’est la vie.