Woman lashed in public in Somalia by Islamic Militia

I've been think about the statement I read earlier to the effect that a public lashing is better than 5 years in a prison. I can't argue with that logic. If I was given the choice between 5 years in prison and I public lashing I don't think I would have to consider it very long. It is obvious that long prison terms hasn't stopped the drug problem in the U.S., so if this action serves that purpose, without public execution, then more power to them.
 
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Great news indeed,may Allah(SWT) guide us to practice Islam .If the islamic courts keep up,I'll be visiting my lovely Ayeeyo and Goats:D inshallah.Planes are flooding somali airports,somalis will one day go back home,like bosnians,afghans,:happy:
am i the only one who read the *Alongside 5 men*LoL,poor men did they not feel ashamed:? too

the west cares about Women Only^o) ,

The Taliban Regime was Misrepresented,women DID learn in their homes,e.t.c

ViVa Islam ViVa Somalia
 
Have you ever smoked pot? Has anyone here smoked pot? You can do more damage taking too many aspirin than you can do smoking pot.

Is aspirin an illegal substance? Pot is an illegal substance and there are consequences to the purchase and sale of such substance. Whether you, me or most of the members have smoked it or smoke it doesn't make it any less illegal!!!

There are consequences to the buying and selling of drugs. Don't whine about the punishment when you knew what would happen BEFORE getting involved.

I did have a friend that died from smoking "a little pot". Unfortunately the seller decided it was a good idea to lace it causing the boy's death. What do you think would be a fitting punishment? Consider for a moment this was YOUR son. For me, 11 lashes in a public place would be too good for him!!! We need stricter laws and those willing to enforce them. All you have to do is check the stats to know "slaps on the wrist don't act as much of a deterrant."

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Being of somali orgin myself and having visted the country, i think theres some points which werent orginally mentioned in the article, which doesnt give the full picture of the situation over there.


Khat (which is the name of the drug) is THE biggest social ill in somalia. One who has connection with the somali community, somalis and whatnot will know this right away. Its practially intoxicated the country and the number of addicts is incrediably high and addicts spend their megre income on that drug rather then feed their family! . And many will steal, beg on the streets just to get their next fix. I have witnessed this many times (first and second hand).

Also, the biggest khat dealers tend to have links with criminal warlords, who profit from it massively and use the money to fund activities.

Most somalis know what Khat has done to our people and many will agree that the supply and distribution of khat needs to be stopped indefinatly. Its hard for outsiders to imagine and will sit there and comment on how its only 'soft' drugs and how its minor, but for us its not. The affects of Khat on the community and country are like the effects of herion (whilst the physical symptons are different, the social problems that areise are very simalar) and i can't imagine anyone accepting herion, knowing all is ills and problems that it causes and would fully support their goverment in taking a harsh stance against dealers, suppliers etc, so i dont see why people why our country should be any different.


Regarding this case itself, i have a problem with. I dont think they should have lashed the woman, and i'll tell you why, its because this was probably her only method of income and a way of feeding her family. Many women in somalia have been forced due to their poverty, to sell this drug on the streets and as unfortantly many of our menfolk are either drugged up, dead or unemployed. If our men did their jobs, stopped taking khat, then maybe they'd be able to try and work and our women folk wouldnt have to reduce themselves to doing this. But the story is always the same and unfortanly many women have no choice but to rely on themselves to get food on the table.

If the ICU wanted to lash anyone, it should be the big khat dealers and suppliers who are making millions every years. They're the ones living in the big mansions in Hargesia, Burco, Xamar, driving the nice cars and have their fancy homes aborad. They are the ones making the killer profits and exporting the Khat from Ethopia and Kenya! They need to shut down the infostructure and punish the major dealers/suppliers/exporters and not penalise the poor women, men and children who have no option but to earn a living somehow. I strongly oppose khat, but i wonder how many of us, living in destute and abject poverty would sell khat if it meant you could buy water and some food so your family dont die! Im not saying its right, but the ICU need to tackle the issue from the very top and not from the bottom, because its the elite and wealthy individuals who are expoliting the poorer people! We can't afford to run for quick fixes!

Its all fine and dandy for the ICU to lash the women, but thats not going to stop the selling and distrubiton of it, if the onwers and major suppliers are not being stopped.

Also, the ICU need to start finding ways of economically lifting our people out of poverty. 95-98% of the people are living in harsh conditons, incrediably acute poverty, are striken with famine, illness etc.. So far, all they have been doing is handing down religous regulations and punishments but have done nothing on helping the country economy and finding ways of helping our nation use its resources to uplift itself from its condition. We have the largest coastline in the whole of africa and have an abudent of seafood in the sea, which if our leaders took notice of, they could start to protect our shores and start up the fishing industry and start exporting our fish. Currently, the japaease, the danish and some other nations are on our shores and waters, illegially poaching our products for nothing. If they got together and tried to do something with the coastline, which was once a bustling area, then inshallah some much needed finances and jobs could be found.

We also have oil and petrol in our mountains and earth and again if we made deals with other countries, inshallah we could start to use our natural resources to benifit the country and the people!

If such things could be done, then maybe our men and women would have halal jobs to do and wouldnt be reduced to supplying Khat as a method of living.
 
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Interesting views on the matter. Glad that someone of Somali origin posted on this thread.
 
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Also, the ICU need to start finding ways of economically lifting our people out of poverty. 95-98% of the people are living in harsh conditons, incrediably acute poverty, are striken with famine, illness etc.. So far, all they have been doing is handing down religous regulations and punishments but have done nothing on helping the country economy and finding ways of helping our nation use its resources to uplift itself from its condition. We have the largest coastline in the whole of africa and have an abudent of seafood in the sea, which if our leaders took notice of, they could start to protect our shores and start up the fishing industry and start exporting our fish. Currently, the japaease, the danish and some other nations are on our shores and waters, illegially poaching our products for nothing. If they got together and tried to do something with the coastline, which was once a bustling area, then inshallah some much needed finances and jobs could be found.
I'm also from somalia, Firstly this isn't a fair statment we can't put the pressure on these guys to fix all the countries problems economicly this is something the whole nation will need to help out with, but I applaud them for taking certain actions.
 
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I'm also from somalia, Firstly this isn't a fair statment we can't put the pressure on these guys to fix all the countries problems economicly this is something the whole nation will need to help out with, but I applaud them for taking certain actions.


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Brother, what will punishing this women do, if the men who bring the khat into the country are not being tackled first hand. They are the ones who need the public lashing. Infact i would go as far to say that they deserve death sentaces, because they are knowly flooding somalia with the khat and then walking away with millions, HUNDREDS of millions each year from profits. They are helping to destruct our people and our country.

The ICU are targeting the weak and poor, who are pretty defenceless. They need get tough and deal with the main offenders and thats the main suppliers and dealers and start bringing them down first. If the khat infostructure is not destroyed and stopped, then khat will continue to be sold, regardless of some lashings.

as for the econmony, im not saying that its something that will change overnight, but i havent heard any plans from the ICU on that front. Its being one ruling and punishment after another and they are ignoring the real plights of the people. Its not enough to have a few long beared sheiks running the country. Islam is a compleate way of life and deals with every aspect. We need economists, engineers, doctors and skilled people to help bring some ideas forward that can be practially applied and acted upon.
 
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Brother, what will punishing this women do, if the men who bring the khat into the country are not being tackled first hand. They are the ones who need the public lashing. Infact i would go as far to say that they deserve death sentaces, because they are knowly flooding somalia with the khat and then walking away with millions, HUNDREDS of millions each year from profits.

The ICU are targeting the weak and poor, who are pretty defenceless. They need to deal and tackle with the main offenders and thats the dealers and start bringing them down first. If the khat infostructure is not destroyed and stopped, then khat will continue to be sold, regardless of some lashings.

as for the econmony, im not saying that its something that will change overnight, but i havent heard any plans from the ICU on that front. Its being one ruling and punishment after another and they are ignoring the real plights of the people. Its not enough to have a few long beared sheiks running the country. Islam is a compleate way of life and deals with every aspect. We need economists, engineers, doctors and skilled people to help bring some ideas forward that can be practially applied and acted upon.

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Actually it'd make more sense to take out the dealers cause they're the one's who are flooding the streets with this filth, the dealers will give up the suppliers once they see the serverity of the punishment fears a good motivator and there end of problem. Those skilled people need to come forward and be counted.
 
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Actually it'd make more sense to take out the dealers cause they're the one's who are flooding the streets with this filth, the dealers will give up the suppliers once they see the serverity of the punishment fears a good motivator and there end of problem. Those skilled people need to come forward and be counted.

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The main dealers are not the ones that you see, sitting infront of the company placard, saying 'buy your khat for xxx shillings'. They're not the ones who deal at high level or have the power. They just the poor people who are at the front, because they dont have any other option.

The main dealers bro, are the main suppliers. Its the same folk and they are NOT the ones being punished. These guys are the virtually untouchable! Its them who are flooding the streets.

And again, there needs to be a halal alternative for the people bro. Its no good saying to a mother of 10 kids, whos husband is either dead or a waste of space : " you must stop selling khat or else", if you are not then going to help her in another way and watch her and her kids die because thats the end result, more death.

The ICU need to get real and get practical. Like I said, where are there blueprints on the countries economy? what have they brought forward to the table? Nothing!

Look at somaliland bro. Business down there is thriving and whilst khat is still being sold, alhmdualiah people are starting to invest into the country and the imporatant systems we need in place to help the country run and are moving away from khat slowly. Whats wrong with those leading in Xamar? Why can't they do the same! The ICU can sit there and call themselves 'muslim leaders' but if they're sitting on their fat bums, stroking their beards and cooking up new laws, but doing nothing to delvelop various systems in the country which are much needed, then they're a waste of space. Im not aganist the establishment of allah s.w.t laws, but shariah law, islam and the quran deal with all aspects of life, ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE and not just criminology or aqeedah.
 
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Salaam,

The simple fact is the west hates its lifestyle to be challenged or restairned.

They wnat to do what pleases them BUT NOT TAKE ACCOUTNABILITY FOR THEIR ACTION.

That is the sum o fit.

They want to take pot,to enjoy.
They want to rape,but not be punished.
They wnat to do all their hearts desire,all that is wrong,but what pleases them..but not face the REPURCUSSION.

So by forcing other to live like them,to be like them,,then that can say that IT IS NORMAL.
But when Islam came and established these rules,they fear their lifestyle is is plain wrong,humanly and divinely..
 
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The main dealers are not the ones that you see, sitting infront of the company placard, saying 'buy your khat for xxx shillings'. They're not the ones who deal at high level or have the power. They just the poor people who are at the front, because they dont have any other option.

The main dealers bro, are the main suppliers. Its the same folk and they are NOT the ones being punished. These guys are the virtually untouchable! Its them who are flooding the streets.

And again, there needs to be a halal alternative for the people bro. Its no good saying to a mother of 10 kids, whos husband is either dead or a waste of space : " you must stop selling khat or else", if you are not then going to help her in another way and watch her and her kids die because thats the end result, more death.

The ICU need to get real and get practical. Like I said, where are there blueprints on the countries economy? what have they brought forward to the table? Nothing!

Look at somaliland bro. Business down there is thriving and whilst khat is still being sold, alhmdualiah people are starting to invest into the country and the imporatant systems we need in place to help the country run and are moving away from khat slowly. Whats wrong with those leading in Xamar? Why can't they do the same! The ICU can sit there and call themselves 'muslim leaders' but if they're sitting on their fat bums, stroking their beards and cooking up new laws, but doing nothing to delvelop various systems in the country which are much needed, then they're a waste of space. Im not aganist the establishment of allah s.w.t laws, but shariah law, islam and the quran deal with all aspects of life, ALL ASPECTS OF LIFE and not just criminology or aqeedah.

Salam Alaikum sister:

I understand what you're saying and agree to a degree. There has to be alternatives to lift the people out of poverty....social programs, skills development, developing the fishery (as you suggest), etc. I understand what may lead someone to sell illegal drugs, but we cannot allow it to ever be acceptable. Drug suppliers will never go away and they very rarely live in the place it is being distrubuted. It must be stopped from the bottom up. No buyers would mean no need for sellers, no sellers would mean no need for supply. Will drug distribution be completely eliminated? No, I don't believe it will. But, it's use and effect on society can be diminished greatly through education and alternative ways to earn an income.

Drugs take people out of the reality of their hardship and misery when they can see no way out of thier situation. They use it as a way to leave the reality for a short time. Unfortunately, as we all know, it causes far worse hardships and misery as the addiction progresses. It's a vicious circle that effects entire communities. The people need to be given help and hope where they can see a better future and a way out of poverty.

I absolutely agree the ICU needs to focus on developing the country's economy and give people the means to support themselves and families. The lack of hope will only create more addicts.

Inshallah, the help and hope will come, sister.

Wa'alaikum salam,
Hana
 
Salaam,

Hana,yes i agree...

This woman may or may not be doing it out of greed or out of necessity.
As did the other men whom are equally punished.

Somalia needs to make clear on such stance that is detrimetal to the human being,drugs,rape,incest and so on....

But every action the somalis will do to implement law and order based on Shariah will be ridiculed.For not becasue of it efficacy but becasue it is from Islam.

Inshallah,we may be seeing a muslim coutnry based on Sharia.

Isnhallah,may Allah support them in their road towards an Islamic coutnry with all it condition.
 
What is Shariah...

Salaam,

Shariah is Islamic laws.

Some basics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

Of course if you want more i am sure toehr will give a more comprehensive study.

Some notorious propaganda by the west are laws of stoning and cutting the hands.

Stoning is for adultery,rape and so on.
HAnds chopped off is for theivery of any form.

But of course as is all set of laws,it is dependant on the spirit and literal interpretation of the law.
 
Perhaps they should have flogging in the UK, we sure can do with some empty jail cells!

True for any countries in the world. People commit crimes and they are looked after of by spending the money of law-abiding tax payers. ^o)

I mean why should money be spent to look after them? Its a worse punishment for them to be out on the streets scraping for a living that being in prison. I understand that modern-day prisons treat their inmates quite well, and they even get to complete their education! Which is something most could not have done if they were on the streets. Do murderers, rapists and drug dealers really deserve such treatment???? They are not really "locked up" are they?

On the subject of prisons... is their a prison system in Islam? I've never heard of one... does anybody know?
 
True for any countries in the world. People commit crimes and they are looked after of by spending the money of law-abiding tax payers. ^o)

I mean why should money be spent to look after them? Its a worse punishment for them to be out on the streets scraping for a living that being in prison. I understand that modern-day prisons treat their inmates quite well, and they even get to complete their education! Which is something most could not have done if they were on the streets. Do murderers, rapists and drug dealers really deserve such treatment???? They are not really "locked up" are they?

On the subject of prisons... is their a prison system in Islam? I've never heard of one... does anybody know?

Afghanistan used to have a large prison in Kabul. I don't know if they still do. Iran has several prisons seperate ones for men and women. Morocco has some that I know of. Yep, I would say the Islamic countries do have jails and prisons.
 
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Regarding this case itself, i have a problem with. I dont think they should have lashed the woman, and i'll tell you why, its because this was probably her only method of income and a way of feeding her family. Many women in somalia have been forced due to their poverty, to sell this drug on the streets and as unfortantly many of our menfolk are either drugged up, dead or unemployed. If our men did their jobs, stopped taking khat, then maybe they'd be able to try and work and our women folk wouldnt have to reduce themselves to doing this. But the story is always the same and unfortanly many women have no choice but to rely on themselves to get food on the table.

Doesn't Somalia have a proper Baith-ul-Maal or Zakaath system? If so maybe the poor will be better off. I'm asking becuase I don;t know. Hope I don;t sound sarcastic.
 
Afghanistan used to have a large prison in Kabul. I don't know if they still do. Iran has several prisons seperate ones for men and women. Morocco has some that I know of. Yep, I would say the Islamic countries do have jails and prisons.

I meant what was the view of Propeht Muahammad (s.a.w) regarding prisons? Is there a prison system according to Shariah? If so how are they funded?
(...were prisoners of war actually kept in prisons at that time??)
 

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