Woman lashed in public in Somalia by Islamic Militia

Here is a thought: People are always afraid of another "Taliban" style regime taking over another country. But while the Taliban were extreme, no one considers the fact that since the Taliban were overthrown, things in Afghanistan have become much worse. Crime has risen, raping of women has risen, and the drugs have returned. Not to mention the constant fighting and death toll. The same can be said for Iraq. As bad as things were when Saddam was in power, they are much worse now.

Another thought: Why do Americans always view other countries way of punishing people has harsh? Do you know what other countries have alot less of than the US? Repeat offenders and criminals with rap sheets. Why? Because of the consequences. How many people on the street who are only selling reefer have been arrested several times before? Many. And many of the many have even been in jail before.

Lastly, Americans need to stop believing that the rest of the world should do things exactly the way Americans do.
 
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Doesn't Somalia have a proper Baith-ul-Maal or Zakaath system? If so maybe the poor will be better off. I'm asking becuase I don;t know. Hope I don;t sound sarcastic.

No they dont sister. We have no systems to help the poor. You either have money or you dont and theres only so much that somalis in the west can finanacially do for their people because many of us have our own financial struggels to deal with, there must be more done in somalia itself. The people who have some money do give to chairty, but relaistically the overwhelming majority of the country is in abject poverty. They need more then the odd shillings here and there.
 
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Well I cant be a hypocrite, cause I smoke cannabis all the time. All i can say is, i wouldnt like to be walking down the road in Somalia right now. But afcourse, marijuana is an intoxicant so you could say she got off lightly.
 
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Well I cant be a hypocrite, cause I smoke cannabis all the time. All i can say is, i wouldnt like to be walking down the road in Somalia right now. But afcourse, marijuana is an intoxicant so you could say she got off lightly.

Why don't you stop...
 
Why does everyone make such a fuss when Muslim leaders make such decsions? Just because someone is not afraid to follow the shariah they are labelled as "fundamentalists" as if its equal to "terrorism"............

ALL MUSLIMS who care about following the BASIC PRINCIPALS OF ISLAM are FUNDAMENTALISTS.

The same goes to anyone, belonging to any religion who set up their life according to the foundations of their religion.
Not just that sister.

If you take a doctor for example, he must know the fundamentals of medicine in order to be a doctor, the meaning of fundament is-a base or basic principle; underlying part; foundation.

I was shocked to see this word in the dictionary to be assigned to 'muslims', every blooming successful profession must have fundamentals.
 
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Being of somali orgin myself and having visted the country, i think theres some points which werent orginally mentioned in the article, which doesnt give the full picture of the situation over there.


Khat (which is the name of the drug) is THE biggest social ill in somalia. One who has connection with the somali community, somalis and whatnot will know this right away. Its practially intoxicated the country and the number of addicts is incrediably high and addicts spend their megre income on that drug rather then feed their family! . And many will steal, beg on the streets just to get their next fix. I have witnessed this many times (first and second hand).

Also, the biggest khat dealers tend to have links with criminal warlords, who profit from it massively and use the money to fund activities.

Most somalis know what Khat has done to our people and many will agree that the supply and distribution of khat needs to be stopped indefinatly. Its hard for outsiders to imagine and will sit there and comment on how its only 'soft' drugs and how its minor, but for us its not. The affects of Khat on the community and country are like the effects of herion (whilst the physical symptons are different, the social problems that areise are very simalar) and i can't imagine anyone accepting herion, knowing all is ills and problems that it causes and would fully support their goverment in taking a harsh stance against dealers, suppliers etc, so i dont see why people why our country should be any different.


Regarding this case itself, i have a problem with. I dont think they should have lashed the woman, and i'll tell you why, its because this was probably her only method of income and a way of feeding her family. Many women in somalia have been forced due to their poverty, to sell this drug on the streets and as unfortantly many of our menfolk are either drugged up, dead or unemployed. If our men did their jobs, stopped taking khat, then maybe they'd be able to try and work and our women folk wouldnt have to reduce themselves to doing this. But the story is always the same and unfortanly many women have no choice but to rely on themselves to get food on the table.

If the ICU wanted to lash anyone, it should be the big khat dealers and suppliers who are making millions every years. They're the ones living in the big mansions in Hargesia, Burco, Xamar, driving the nice cars and have their fancy homes aborad. They are the ones making the killer profits and exporting the Khat from Ethopia and Kenya! They need to shut down the infostructure and punish the major dealers/suppliers/exporters and not penalise the poor women, men and children who have no option but to earn a living somehow. I strongly oppose khat, but i wonder how many of us, living in destute and abject poverty would sell khat if it meant you could buy water and some food so your family dont die! Im not saying its right, but the ICU need to tackle the issue from the very top and not from the bottom, because its the elite and wealthy individuals who are expoliting the poorer people! We can't afford to run for quick fixes!

Its all fine and dandy for the ICU to lash the women, but thats not going to stop the selling and distrubiton of it, if the onwers and major suppliers are not being stopped.

Also, the ICU need to start finding ways of economically lifting our people out of poverty. 95-98% of the people are living in harsh conditons, incrediably acute poverty, are striken with famine, illness etc.. So far, all they have been doing is handing down religous regulations and punishments but have done nothing on helping the country economy and finding ways of helping our nation use its resources to uplift itself from its condition. We have the largest coastline in the whole of africa and have an abudent of seafood in the sea, which if our leaders took notice of, they could start to protect our shores and start up the fishing industry and start exporting our fish. Currently, the japaease, the danish and some other nations are on our shores and waters, illegially poaching our products for nothing. If they got together and tried to do something with the coastline, which was once a bustling area, then inshallah some much needed finances and jobs could be found.

We also have oil and petrol in our mountains and earth and again if we made deals with other countries, inshallah we could start to use our natural resources to benifit the country and the people!

If such things could be done, then maybe our men and women would have halal jobs to do and wouldnt be reduced to supplying Khat as a method of living.

warwareeeeeeeey what's with this apocalypse now image of somalia your painting :uuh:

you don't sound realistic those brave brothers have only been in power for 2 months

they have done what the 1434444 failed somali interim governments and UN,EU,US,AU,IGAD ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ failed to deliver to the ordinary somalis who were being hi-jacked by thugz and incompetent leaders

ICU destroyed the warlords and their infamous roadblocks and the prices of goods are down

people no longer have to pay for security people no longer have to pay at check points

somali parents no longer worry about someone taking away their daughters

http://www.peacewomen.org/news/Somalia/June06/GBVGalvanizedWarlordsFoes.html

^^this is one of main reasons why i support these brave men

only cowards would rape women and those cowards were humiliated and got what they deserved

ICU gives the El-maan port and it's 10 thousand workers security and their business is booming

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topi...o=92512&version=1&template_id=48&parent_id=28

now foreign traders can come to our ports without fear of their ships getting hi-jacked cause the ICU destroyed the pirate strongholds

http://www.ssunion.net/?q=node/1045

they re-opened Mogadishu's sea port

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2006/aug/Mogadishu-port-re-open-after-11-years.aspx

they re-opened Mogadishu's airport

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1666393/posts

because of ICU'S law and order somalis from the diaspora are floggin to Mogadishu for business deals

Eastleigh - a bustling neighbourhood in the east of Nairobi - is where many of the city's 25,000 Somalis live.

This is not a ghetto. It is a thriving business community with freshly painted buildings, gridlocked traffic and a turnover of around £30m ($56m) a month.

That is extremely high for this part of the world.

Walk the packed streets and you will find women wearing the hijab, or headscarf, and rows of men dipping into big sacks of khat or miraa - the leafy narcotic that is chewed by so many here. It gives them a buzz and smoothes conversation.

This is Somalia recreated on Kenyan soil. And the numbers arriving are swelling.

Eyeing opportunities

So back to the hotels, why is business so brisk?

Well, they are heaving, not with recent refugees but with Somalis from the vast and wealthy diaspora.

They are en route to Mogadishu with potential deals on their mind.

The Somali community worldwide is huge and many send their money home.

this will ensure more jobs for our people

they re-opened our old symbolical mosque wich now also shelters poor

http://static.flickr.com/84/218877593_c077f105e2.jpg?v=0

and the ICU is also credited with rebuilding schools and hospitals for the last decade

Because the ICU brothers have the dignity to put their pride aside and aren't profit driven maniacs like those warlords aid organisation now finnaly can operate in somalia and today a 800-ton vessel carrying medical suplies and building materials arrived in Mogadishu port

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060825/ap_on_re_af/somalia

another large ship entered

The second biggest commercial ship has docked at the main sea port of Mogadishu, the capital of Somalia on Saturday two days after Islamists reopened it.

UAE registered Victoria vessel which had sailed from Dubai was carrying commercial goods including commodities and cars.

The ship chartered by Somali businessman called Abdi Wif began to unload the shipment with all former staff resumed work.

“The work of the main old port in Mogadishu continues properly,” local Islamist said. “This will help the life better and boost the business,” Earlier first cargo ship had docked at the port of Mogadishu hours after Islamic Courts controlling the capital and much of south and central Somalia, declared that it was open to business.

and let me quote myself somalis have done quite well without a government or foreign aid


somalia without a government

WORLD BANK

Somalia flourished precisely because of the "world community’s" neglect.

In Somalia, "the very absence of a government may have helped nurture an African oddity — a lean and efficient business sector that does not feed at a public trough controlled by corrupt officials," wrote Peter Maas in the May 2001 issue of The Atlantic Monthly. Tele-communications, transportation, and shipping companies were organized up to provide services to the liberated private sector. Internet cafes have sprung up in Mogadishu. Private security firms helped businessmen protect their investments and property.

A recent World Bank study grudgingly admitted: "Somalia boasts lower rates of extreme poverty and, in some cases, better infrastructure than richer countries in Africa." This is almost certainly because it is not cursed with a World Bank-subsidized central government to siphon away the nation’s wealth.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_996.sht ml

The Answer for Africa
by Shafer Parker



According to Andrew Cockburn in the July issue of National Geographic magazine, Somalia is rising, phoenix-like, from the ashes of the 1993 war and becoming an economic powerhouse in eastern Africa precisely because anarchy has reigned ever since. Consider Cockburn’s on-the-scene assessment of what has happened since the war. "Like plants sprouting after a forest fire, Somalis have managed to survive and build on their own, in some respects with more success than developing nations on the receiving end of international aid and advice."

Significantly, the Somalis get it. They have learned through experience that less government is good, and that no government is better. Hear what telecommunications tycoon Abdirizak Ido told Mr. Cockburn: "We have been through some hard times, but the worst was when we had a government. Once there was no government, there was opportunity!"


Somali Businesses Stunted by Too-Free Enterprise

By Ian Fisher



There are five competing airlines here; three phone companies, which have some of the cheapest rates in the world; at least two pasta factories; 45 private hospitals; 55 providers of electricity; 1,500 wholesalers for imported goods; and an infinite number of guys with donkeys who will deliver 55 gallons of clean water to your house for 25 cents.

What Somalia does not have is a government, and in many ways, that makes it the world's purest laboratory for capitalism. No one collects taxes. Business is booming. Libertarians of the world, unite


It is striking that Somalia, unlike many parts of Africa, has achieved this thriving business climate on its own, without the usual aid and advice from rich nations. They have all but disengaged from Somalia since the failure of the United Nations operation here in the early 1990's. Somalis have learned that they are pretty good at making money.

"It's entrepreneurism that's doing it," said Ahmed Abdisalam Adan, director of programs for Horn Afrik, Somalia's first independent radio and television station, established last year. "It's who has more creativity. It's who is willing to take risks. Before it was the government. The government could make you rich one day and poor the next



chinese investors

http://www.puntlandpost.com/newspage.php?articleid=5176

Business Attraction in Puntland, Somalia

Bossaso city has become a magnet for foreigners who want to invest in Africa. This week alone, there are about half a dozen business people representing Chinese and South Korean corporations in the city. These representatives and others who frequent Puntland want to invest in the region and expand their business to this part of the world. Interested people include wealthy business men from the Middle East.

Puntland (North Eastern Somalia) has not been touched by the country’s civil war and has remained stable after the fall of Somalia’s central government in 1991. It lies on the tip of East Africa and borders Indian Ocean and Red Sea.


Communication Networks

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/4020259.stm

TELCOM SOMALIA

Telcom is the largest and the leading telecommunications network operator in Somalia. Telcom is the first major privately owned company providing telecommunications in Somalia territory. Telcom principal activities include local, long distance, national and international telecommunication, mobile communications, and a wide range of data services including broadband access.

http://www.telcom-somalia.com/index.htm



STG over the years has proven to be a lucrative successful telephone business venture. STG became a vital part of Somali people socially and commercially. Customer demand did not end only for voice and fax services; currently STG telecom services include GSM Mobile services, SMS, Prepaid telecom services, high speed internet, local and international long distance services through out the entire STG Network.

NATIONLINK

Headquartered in Mogadishu, Somalia, NationLink offers a variety of
telecom services including landline telephones, faxes, data, long range
cordless telephones and Internet services. NationLink is one of three major
telecommunications companies headquartered in Mogadishu that has participated
in collaborating to form a joint Internet company -- Somali Internet Company
(SICO) to provide services throughout the region


UNIVERSITIES





The university is a multipurpose institution. In addition to preparing competent professionals, it aims to be a community learning centre, an idea hub, a focal point for practical and theoretical research, and a development engine that makes real difference to lives of the people in the city and beyond.

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BU was established in Mogadishu, Somalia in September 2002. The University has now four Faculties (Medicine, Computer Science, Education and Engineering). and there are plans to add other faculties at earliest possible time.

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MU shall take a pioneering role in filling the educational gap created during the civil war so as to provide higher education opportunities for the young generations of Somalia.

MU shall give students an opportunity of higher education and specialization in various spheres of sciences and literature in response to the desperate needs of the country for educated human resources.

MU shall develop indigenous scientific knowledge through encouraging focused research programs in the priority sectors


http://www.mogadishuuniversity.com/objectives.html

Future Complex now being build

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Amoud University is a community-owned non-governmental, national University and open to all aspiring candidates who fulfill the admission requirements without discrimination based on sex, ethnic, origin, creed or color.

Faculties

Faculty of Education
Faculty of Business and Public Administration
Faculty of Medicine of Surgery
Faculty of Natural Resources (Department of Agriculture )
Faculty of Information & Communication Technology (Online )


Future Hiiraan University Complex


http://www.webometrics.info/top100_continent.asp-cont=africa.htm

three universities in the top 100

one surpasses Ethiopia,Sudan,Ghana and the other 2 are higher ranked than Djibouti and Eritrea

DIASPORA



Dahabshiil has 75 agents in the UK and over 400 branches and agents world-wide

The quality of service differentiates Dahabshiil from its competitors. Dahabshiil is now recognised as the most reputable commercial enterprise in the sector. Customers call it trustworthy, reliable, cost-effective and efficient.

The company's long-term strategy is to remain the first choice of money transfer services for migrants from the Horn of Africa. Our mission is to be an innovative, customer-oriented company that consistently exceeds customers' expectations of service.


The diaspora anually pumps 2/3 billion into somalia

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It may surprise you that we have been around for over 12 years. The company has grown from humble beginning with one Cessna aircraft in 1991, to become one of the largest flights network in Africa. Daallo Airlines is nominated as one of the show case success stories in Africa by Mr. Fick, David S, in his book of "Entrepreneurship in Africa: A study of Success".




NO AIDS PANDEMIC



By STEPHANIE NOLEN
Monday, July 25, 2005

XUDDUR, SOMALIA -- They have posters. They have training manuals. They have wipe-off markers. The only thing that the earnest band of AIDS educators in this Somali town don't have is, well, any people with AIDS.

At least none they know of.

The breadth of the AIDS pandemic has led to the idea in the West that the entire continent is ravaged by the disease. But Somalia -- isolated for 14 years since the civil war began and populated by devout Muslims -- has an infection rate of perhaps only 1.5 or 2 per cent of the adult population.

Its isolation has helped to keep the infection rate one of the lowest in Africa at a time when countries to the south are reporting infection rates of 40 per cent of the adult population


POLIO

''If polio can be stopped in Somalia, it can be stopped anywhere,"

Carol Bellamy, Unicef's executive director

Nairobi - The United Nations has removed conflict-ravaged Somalia from a list of polio-endemic countries as no new cases of the disease have been reported in the Horn of Africa nation for two years, the UN Children's Fund said on Monday.

The agency described Somalia's success in combating polio as a "miraculous victory for children over conflict and devastation."

"If polio can be stopped in Somalia, it can be stopped anywhere," Carol Bellamy, Unicef's executive director, said in statement. "This success is a testament to the will of the Somali people and the effectiveness of strategies in place to stop the virus."

The nation of seven million people has not had an effective central government since the ouster of dictator Mohamed Siad Barre in 1991, and has been ruled by rival, heavily armed clan-based militia for more than a decade.


Polio is still endemic in Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Niger and Egypt.

An immunisation campaign in Nigeria has been marred by a six-month polio vaccine boycott in the west African nation's predominantly Islamic northern state of Kano.

Kano authorities have insisted tests conducted by the state's scientists last year showed the vaccines were contaminated with a variant of the hormone estrogen, which they said would cause infertility in girls.

Some Nigerian Islamic clerics also argued the vaccines also spread Aids, claiming their evidence originated on the Internet.

Somalia is a predominantly Muslim country, and Unicef praised Islamic leaders in that nation for being a "major force" behind immunisation campaigns.

A fresh three-day campaign was launched in Somalia on Monday.

The United Nations and its partners, including Rotary International and the United States' Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, are planning to implement monitoring systems in Somalia in the next few months. Once they are in place, the country has to have no reported cases of polio for another two years to be deemed polio free.
- Sapa-AP


CURRENCY

SoSh (Somali shilling)

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the SoSh's stability is reflected by the fact that in parts of neighboring Ethiopia the SoSh is more extensivly used than Ethiopia's own currency (:2003 :144) In fact prior to the last large monetary injection in Somalia in march 1999 and in 2000 the SoSh showed greater stability than the currencies of Ethiopia and Kenya from 1996 february to 1999 the SoSh depreciated against the US$ only 12.14% Between 1996-1999 the Kenyan shilling lost 32.55% against the US$ and the Ethiopian birr depreciated against the dollar 26.58%


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Berbera of somaliland and bossaso of Puntland ports

LIVE STOCK TRADE




REAL ESTATE INDUSTRY



HILAAC REAL ESTATE AND CONSTRUCTIONS

Bosasso 1 | 91 houses - almost completed
Bosasso 2 | 80 houses - started september 30 2005
Gaalkacyo 1 | 300 houses - started september 30 2005
Laascaanood | 250 houses - planned to start in 2005
Gaalkacyo 2 | 300 houses - planned to start in 2006
Garowe | 150 houses - planned to start in 2006
Carmo | 100 houses - planned to start in 2006

http://www.hilaac.net/

DARYEEL CONSTRUCTION COMPANY

http://www.daryeel.com/aboutus.htm

Dayeel is locally owned Somaliland Constructions company employing around 400 staff across Somaliland and with completion of approximately 100 of constructions annually.

DCC is highly respected and well-established contracting company, with professional builders and surveyors supported by an experienced administrative team. We provide a complete range of construction and program management services in all in the segments of residential and business building market.


ALLA-AAMIN CONSTRUCTION COMPANY

http://www.alla-aamin.com/

LUCK STAR CONTRUCTION LTD COMPANY

http://www.lstarconstruction.com/home.html

UNIVERSAL & ENGINEERING CONSULTANT CO.

http://unieco.co.uk/default.asp

CHINA CIVIL ENGINEERING CORP


http://www.sbconline.net/news.php?page=newspage&id=6443

they build schools,houses,hospitals and roads


Tharwa Net-Watch

From the chaos, it's a business boom in somalia


Import and export is a booming business. Traders are doing whatever they can to get hold of useful stuff that can sell abroad. Neither traditional nor non-traditional commodities are spared. Even markets for scrap metals that litter all over the place are to be found, especially old military gear and other devices wrecked during the civil war.

The import sector is the most interesting. Town dwellers all over Somalia cannot complain of a shortage of commodities as adroit traders have managed to fill stores with all sorts of goods. Sugar from Brazil, toys from Thailand, trinkets from India and even shotguns from Ukraine all compete for buyers in Mogadishu and elsewhere.

Trade between Somalia and other countries has multiplied. Some people even estimate that the trade volume is so huge that it could be considered one of the biggest in the Horn of Africa, outdoing more politically stable countries such as Kenya and Ethiopia.

Sceptics say Somali traders have become so profit driven as to compromise all values. Environmental and public health concerns have been raised, especially due to deforestation. The prevalence of strange diseases is assumed to be due to consumption of substandard, imported foods and drugs.

In the absence of law enforcing institutions to safeguard investor rights, joint ventures have been founded based on trust. It seems unimaginable that as many as 600 investors could pool their capital in order to initiate and run a single or a chain of businesses. It is not unusual to hear radio announcements calling shareholders for a meeting or news of a company management declaring payment of dividends. But beneficiaries tend to hide their huge income, fearing kidnappers.

Minarets of mosques generally greet visitors to Somalia's urban areas, but in these days the sight of communication transmitters of the shape of Paris's Eiffel Tower is becoming quite common. They are the product of intense competition among telecommunications and media companies who want to send and receive signals through the airwaves.

The recent opening of a Coca Cola plant in Mogadishu is an indication of how multinationals are beginning to expand their franchises to previously risky areas. It is a sign that more investors will follow suit, creating jobs and generating more locally made products.


http://www.tharwaproject.com/index.php?option=com_keywords&task=view&id=1006&Itemid=0

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FISHING INDUSTRY OF SOMALIA

Puntland International

Farah Awosman

Bosaso 944 2132+47 9062 0916 +47 2236 0923

[email protected]

- We are a fishing company located on the coast of Somalia. We deal in all sorts of fish like Grouper, Red Snapper, King fish, shark fins, lobster, sea cucumber etc.

Ridwan Seafoods Ltd

Ahmed Ali

Kismayo 515 8118 - [email protected]

http://www.ridwan.com

A company based in Kenya, somalia and also Dubai. We do handling exporting and local supply of frozen and live lobsters from lower Jubba especially Burgao, Kuda, Kamboni, Gobwain and Kismayo. We export 5000 frozen lobster to overseas each month by air.


Sanaag Fisheries Company

Ali Jama

Sanaag 754 6369 754 6541

[email protected]

Exporting mainly on hamour fillet, tuna and lobsters. We also have a legal permission from the Somaliland government so that any investor who is willing, a joint venture in this industry is welcome.

Siiste - Royal Seafood Inc.

Maxamed Said

Sanaag, Somaliland 7 213 456 7 514 654

[email protected]

We are one of the biggest export & import companies in the East African countries. Products include grouper, red snapper, king fish, tuna, shrimps, lobster. Also: dried fishes such as shark fins, shark bones, sea cucumbers, fish maws, dried shark meat and dried shrimps.

Somafish International Company

Abshir H. Osman

Mogadishu 1 635 272 1 635 272

[email protected]

We are exporters/wholesalers of seafood. Our facility in Somalia is very modern, it includes a new 100mt freezer capacity. Our products include Snapper, Grouper, Kingfish, Tuna and in addition we would be able to supply other species that are available in the Indian Ocean.
4/11 SomFish Ltd Said Ali
Sadiq Shire Bosaaso +971 50 348 4160 +971 4 227 8611 [email protected]

Recap

- Somalia's communications network is more advanced then it's neighbouring countries

-Somalia's private sector has a trade network considered the biggest of the horn africa

-Somalia has 3 universities in the top 100, one is higher ranked than Ghana,Ethiopia,Sudan

-Somalia doesn't have an AIDS pandemic

-Somalia has an diaspora that anually pumps in billions trough Dahabshiil

-Somalia eradicated POLIO

-Somalia's Daallo Airlines is becoming one of the biggest flights networks in africa

-Somalia's currency is more stable then the ones of Kenya and Ethiopia and is even used in those countries

-Somalia's real estate and fishing industries are taking off

-Somalia's Puntland is attracting foreign investors from all over Asia

-Somalia livestock industry is booming


somalia achieved all of this without a government and foreign aid

civil war destroyed our country and this quote clearly shows our people are rebuilding even without a central government

we still have a lot of things we have to work on

don't expect somalia becomes a powerhouse in one week we will get there insha-allah with Allah swt help

and about the Khat issue i find your comparison of Khat with heroin ridicilous and laughable

khat has the same effects as a few shots of coffee

our last president banned it so when we have a government we can re-implement this ban
 
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No they dont sister. We have no systems to help the poor. You either have money or you dont and theres only so much that somalis in the west can finanacially do for their people because many of us have our own financial struggels to deal with, there must be more done in somalia itself. The people who have some money do give to chairty, but relaistically the overwhelming majority of the country is in abject poverty. They need more then the odd shillings here and there.

Insha Allah, the Muslim rulers should set up a system if they are seriuos about running the country in an Islamic manner. Otherwise there is not point in calling themselves an Islamic governement. ^o)
 
I'm not advocating public floggings, but I often wonder if maybe our punishments may be kinder in writing but crueler in effect. A year in jail affects a mans earning and deprives a family of a bread winner. 11 lashes most likely only affects the culprit.

Well, speaking as one who is particularly fond of the sweet leaf, I'd quit smoking pot if THAT was the punishment for getting caught! Of course, I'd probably lose alot of weight - that would be bad for me because I can never seem to keep a decent weight to begin with (I'm the only Sicilian who hates eating food), but 11 lashes would hardly be worth the benefit of having a decent appetite.

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Six people were lashed, yet the title reads "woman lashed in public"... I would think everyone would appreciate the equality...
Somalia has been in a state of chaos for the past 16 years..interesting how its suddenly in the limelight, brace yourselves for more news on "human rights abuse" by the "Islamic fundamentalists"...
 
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can anyone post...the rules of lashing for the criminal according to Islam...

i only know a little bit here and there...

i read that you cannot take your hands so high when lashing the criminal...
 
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can anyone post...the rules of lashing for the criminal according to Islam...

i only know a little bit here and there...

i read that you cannot take your hands so high when lashing the criminal...

When I've learnt Islamic Crimina Law, my lecturer said that to whip a convict, try putting a book under the arm-pit... as long as the book doesnt fall down from the armpit, it's still within the limit to lash the convict..
 
^^^ i think the criminal should prefer lashing than being prisioned...for a few years.
 
have you ever seen one? can you story me a bit (manglish)
 
wow...thats why in islam they have rules on whipping...

not letting people to over do it...
 
have you ever seen one? can you story me a bit (manglish)


I saw it on handphone,you know after got 20 lashed,that person start to walking like a crab..seriously it damaging,imagine 20 lash at the same place using about 4 foot of rattan stick and me even cannot to watch it till the end.
 

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