Women going out shopping

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My mother never goes shopping alone, even if it's during the day and at night, she only goes when my dad comes home. A teenaged woman was raped at a tourist hotspot in the city [she was alone] so there are some sick guys out there. Usually, my mother takes me with her [now that I'm not at uni as frequently as I was in school]. Even if I need to go to the toilets, my mum comes with me and waits outside. You never know what's going to happen [there was a girl who was murdered in the toilets as well while her father and her brother went to the men's. They waited for her, thought she may have already come out, searched around the shopping area finally her brother, around 10 I think, went in the toilet (one of those single ones) and found her] =(
 
Vaseline said:
My mother never goes shopping alone, even if it's during the day and at night, she only goes when my dad comes home. A teenaged woman was raped at a tourist hotspot in the city [she was alone] so there are some sick guys out there. Usually, my mother takes me with her [now that I'm not at uni as frequently as I was in school]. Even if I need to go to the toilets, my mum comes with me and waits outside. You never know what's going to happen [there was a girl who was murdered in the toilets as well while her father and her brother went to the men's. They waited for her, thought she may have already come out, searched around the shopping area finally her brother, around 10 I think, went in the toilet (one of those single ones) and found her] =(
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However, these situations aren't as likely to occur as the media would like you to believe. I know the probability of those sorts of things happening are low, so I am not paranoid about them-but I do watch out for myself.
 
^^ that's true.. but it's still shockign stuff... and i guess Islam's reasons for what was said wasn't based on the existence of them sorta undesired elements in society... because in Islamic society i don't think you'd have rapists or women murderers lurking around in toilets....
 
lolwatever said:
^^ that's true.. but it's still shockign stuff... and i guess Islam's reasons for what was said wasn't based on the existence of them sorta undesired elements in society... because in Islamic society i don't think you'd have rapists or women murderers lurking around in toilets....
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Those sort of people would not be in any good society, not just an Islamic one.
 
mlsh27 said:
However, these situations aren't as likely to occur as the media would like you to believe. I know the probability of those sorts of things happening are low, so I am not paranoid about them-but I do watch out for myself.
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They may not occur as much as the media makes it out to be but you still have to be aware and safe considering the society we live in. Especially as a Hijabi, you are more vulnerable.
 
Vaseline said:
They may not occur as much as the media makes it out to be but you still have to be aware and safe considering the society we live in. Especially as a Hijabi, you are more vulnerable.
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Actually the most vulnerable women are those with a certain body proportion..I don't remember what it is, but I learned in a psych. class a study that had been done on rape victims & the majority of victims had this body proportion.
 
mlsh27 said:
Actually the most vulnerable women are those with a certain body proportion..I don't remember what it is, but I learned in a psych. class a study that had been done on rape victims & the majority of victims had this body proportion.
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I wasn't only specifically referring to rape, just to insults and discrimination in general especially after the September 11 attacks [and so on...]. But I do understand what you're trying to say there.

edit: Even with what some Muslimah's wear today, you can still tell what their body shape looks like....so it really doesn't make a difference for them
 
whats wrong with art gallery...if the gallery doesn't show any figure at all...

i'm guessing there is no such gallery... :rolleyes
 
Iqram said:
So women should be locked up inside their homes UNLESS it's for something they need.....Never go to have a bit of leisure time [in limits] or something like that.....perhaps that's how it is in Saudi, but there is no harm if a woman covers herself and walks the streets with modesty to go somewhere nice......That should be suspected over??

All I can say is some people are shadeed to the point where there are no limits....

A woman is a human being for God's sake! Islam is the liberator of women...By keeping them locked up in their homes is no liberation.....And I KNOW islam is definately not unreasonable......
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Glad you don't all think as some do!
 
^^ i don't think ANYONE believes that women are to be locked in their homes and banned from going out.. read the responses..
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Personally, I prefer to grocery shop with my husband because I get bored when I go alone. However, clothes shopping or any other shopping I love to do without him because he hates to wait around while I look through all the stores and so forth. Also, I don't get the whole having to travel with a mahram. Often, I don't have the option, and my career will probably not allow such either.
 
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However, clothes shopping or any other shopping I love to do without him because he hates to wait around while I look through all the stores and so forth
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man thats sooo true!! men always ruin the any great clothe shopping experience!

Also, I don't get the whole having to travel with a mahram. Often, I don't have the option, and my career will probably not allow such either.
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its only long distance anyway, and for your own protection. it was just on the news yesterday that a 19 year old girl was gang raped when she was out in the city.. :uuh: if that isnt proof that we need protection i dont know what is..
 
lolwatever said:
I dunno but isn't shopping and all that suppose to be part of teh husband's job under "fetching the rizq for the family"? The wife shouldn't be forced into doing his job as far as that's concerned...
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thats interesting.. even if the wife goes shopping the husband is still the one who pays for it.. the wife just gets to pick what she wants

men dont really know how to shop:rollseyes
 
Ukhayy Iqram you talk a lot of sense mashaAllah...
come on guys...its by the will of Allah those things happened to those poor girls, but if the wives of the rpophet may Allah be pleased with then didn't need escortation every time they stepped out the house then neither do we, we put our trust in Allah say our adhkaar for going out and inshaAllah Allah will protect us,
dunno bout you guys but i don't want to ask someone to come with me eeevery time i want to go out, if they wanna come sure tafaddhal but, otherwise its a bit of a burden...
Since its permissable don't see whats wrong with it....
As for travelling with a mahram.....thats mercy Allah sent down to women...cos it is hard in a foreign country on your own, trust me....
Allah gave these rulings for a reason , and his the all wise...

wassalaam
 
umm-sulaim said:
come on guys...its by the will of Allah those things happened to those poor girls, but if the wives of the rpophet may Allah be pleased with then didn't need escortation every time they stepped out the house then neither do we, we put our trust in Allah say our adhkaar for going out and inshaAllah Allah will protect us,
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but it doesnt always work like that sis.. would you put your hands into boiling water and put your faith in allah swt that you wont get burnt?

you have to take precautions, especially in some societies...

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Of course we need to take precautions sis, i'm not saying we don't but realistically, who is gonna take the female of the house out eeevrytime she wants to go out...?
And by reading your adhkaar thats one of the biggest precautions sis, the guy accompanying you can only help you if Allah has written that down, his only a reason for your safety...but you can't guarnatee it even then ukhtee,
but with your du'aa in Allah, his the answerer of all paryers...
and besides not every female in this world of ours has someone to protect her...
I'm glad its permissable alhamdullllah...deen yusr
wassalaam
 
lolwatever said:
^^ that's a very silly conclusion...

by your logic we can derive that the laws of ifk don't apply when our sisters get slandered because it only applied to aysha because of her special status.

yes the wives of the prophet are extermely special because we consider them as our mothers etc... but as far as behaviour is concerned and etiquette, there's alot we can derive from the verses revealed to them.
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salam,

when Allah wants to address ALL believing women in the Qur'an, Allah does not hesitate to do so, eg. in the famous women's dress verse:

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty..." - (24:31)


and in the following verse, Allah addresses the believing women alongside the wives of the Prophet:

"Oh Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons: that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." - (33:59)


However, in certain other verses, Allah chooses ONLY to address the wives of the Prophet specifically, eg:

"Oh wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be doubled for her; and that is easy for Allah." - (33:30)


There may be a reason why the 'remain in houses' verse was addressed only to the wives of the Prophet in the Qur'an, while 'believing women' are not mentioned here. In-fact, the very previous verse is the verse which tells us that the Prophet's wives are different from other believing women.
 
 
 
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Ameen, you are constantly attacking the Hadith, I want you to reply to this point. Last time I asked you, you backed away and never replied.

The Quran was told to us by the same mouth that told us the hadiths. You have the Quran today, how can you differentiate between the Quran and hadith when it came from the same mouth?

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HusamLah said:
if a woman wants a career outside the home they need to plan on one that is acceptable. traveling without a mahram is unacceptable.
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Ad deenu yusrun....The faith is easy.....

Why are you making it hard for yourself?
 
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