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salam,

it's such a disgrace how the so-called mufti and some members in this thread cropped that verse out of context and decided to HIDE the previous lines of the verse - which clearly was addressing specifically the wives of the Prophet.

this is what the mufti does, just feeds you the part that he desires, and conceals the truth. and you are equally misguided if you follow blindly.

 
 
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Ameen- said:
salam,

it's such a disgrace how the so-called mufti and some members in this thread cropped that verse out of context and decided to HIDE the previous lines of the verse - which clearly was addressing specifically the wives of the Prophet.

this is what the mufti does, just feeds you the part that he desires, and conceals the truth. and you would be equally misguided for following blindly.
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:hiding: why didn't I research this deeper......

yathaabaki [i'm guessing] Allah!

Sis, i'm all out of reps.....
 
mlsh27 said:
The majority of women I know, and all of the women in my family can all protect themselves physically.
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yeah, and so you should.....

I say all u sisters shud give HusamLala a demonstration down in Chicago ;)
 
True true....
and i understand fully well what you're saying but some men are too extreme!

Give women their right they wouldn't have to complain...lol thats what i say!
( i mean their rights from the deen of course)
wassalaam
 
Ameen- said:
salam,

it's such a disgrace how the so-called mufti and some members in this thread cropped that verse out of context and decided to HIDE the previous lines of the verse - which clearly was addressing specifically the wives of the Prophet.

this is what the mufti does, just feeds you the part that he desires, and conceals the truth. and you are equally misguided if you follow blindly..
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“And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance, and perform As-Salaah (Iqamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah and obey Allaah and His Messenger. Allaah wishes only to remove Ar-Rijs (evil deeds and sins) from you, O members of the family (of the Prophet), and to purify you with a thorough purification”
[al-Ahzaab 33:33]

Do not accuse the sheikh of something his innocent of and do not accuse us of blind following.

The Ayaah indeed is addressed to the mothers of the believers but we too should take heed and follow it.

Allah fixed the natural place for the woman to worship and obey Allah, considering the household jobs will be the best duty to be undertaken by the woman in the world life. This is contrary to man who is required by nature to work and keep performing prayers in the mosque. Moreover, man, and not the woman, is the one who has to move freely to earn living.
 
Also the ayaah of staying at home was sent down to the prohets wives, but the 7ukm ruling includes us...
People of knowledge have a rule in the studies of usool they say the "al-asl al 3umuum ill maa khussis"

the basis of eveything is generalisation , except for that which has been specified...

wassalaam
 
jazakilah khayr sis..

might also add.. just because verses where revealed to particular people, doesn't imply we don't derive lessons from them and apply them to ourselves...

The verses regarding al-ifk where on specific people and regarding aisha.. that doesnt imply we don't derive principles that we apply on ourselves... that's a very naive mentality.. in fact most legal verses where revealed to handle specific situations, but becasue of those situations and people we derive rules that apply to the Ummah as a whole..

salams
 
^^ isn't that only if they're travelling they need a mahram?

i guess even men today need someone to accompany him wherever they go, coz of all the temptation n stuff :heated:
 
wa iyyaak lolwatever, thats what i thought too, didn't know they needed to be accompanied elsewhere?

wassalaam
 
Oh wow, so a woman isn't even aloud to step out of the house?

So what if she wants to have a life? Like maybe...a job or a career? A passion in life? Art? Nursing? Computers? Journalism? Writing? Etcetera?

What about visiting art galleries? Seeing plays? Shopping for clothes & other things? Taking a walk outside and smelling some fresh, God-made air? Interacting with other human beings? Enjoying life?!

:/


Oh yes, and what about women who have absolutely no "male" company whatsoever? I am not married, I have no father, and my brother is away in college. So since I'm not married I'm aloud to go out or something? I'm confused, lol.
 
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lol sis

There's a difference between 'not allowed to step out of the house' and being encouraged to minimise going out for no reason.....

personall i think some sis's have this inferiority complex where they think that the only way to be 'accepted' in society is to have a job and do what a man does... i think that's very childish and foolish and shows alot of low self-esteem.

It's funny how the responsibility of managing the household is so huge, and the responsibilty of looking after the kids and bringing them up is a complex thing in itself, yet for some reason some people seem to underestimate it and think it's more improtant to be a male copy cat...

Now.. having said that:

So what if she wants to have a life? Like maybe...a job or a career? A passion in life? Art? Nursing? Computers? Journalism? Writing? Etcetera?
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If the husband is struggling and not bringing in enough cash to take care of the family's needs n wants... and if the wife is happy to help out financially (because it's her right to keep her earnings and tell the husband to do the family expenditure)... then by all means, so long as the job is OK islamically (same goes for guys btw!)

If the husband is managing the financial side well... the first priority for the wife is to make sure the household is under good care, the kids are being educated properly and brought up properly etc.

If that responsibility is being fulfilled, and the wife wants to take on some form of commerce, by all means... Even though i find that hard to imagine, coz alot of sisters do find taking care of the house a massive load in itself. But if there's no kids n things like that.. yeh as long as what she's diong is halal.

What about visiting art galleries? Seeing plays? Shopping for clothes & other things? Taking a walk outside and smelling some fresh, God-made air? Interacting with other human beings? Enjoying life?!
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The first two are probably prohibited for both sexes in general lol.

The last 3 things, who said sister's cant go catchup with their friends and go out to places and stuff... the whole thing about encouragemetn for women to remain at home is basically "dont just go out for no reasonable reason"...

Oh yes, and what about women who have absolutely no "male" company whatsoever? I am not married, I have no father, and my brother is away in college. So since I'm not married I'm aloud to go out or something? I'm confused, lol.
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If you're not marreid and you don't have responsibilities, fine go ahead and be like Khadijah if you want, or Hend (Abu Sufyan's wife) when she got divorced... (They where both biz people and very successful at it) the key thing is, make sure it's all under Islamic guidelines...

but to get back to the topic...

The wife has her responsibilities, the husband has his responsibilities, technically speaking, it's the husband's job to go out and do the shopping and all that... the wife's got a tonne of thigns to do, why should she be burdened with that? If she says to the husband "look i've got enough on my plate, you can take care of that" it's absolutely her right.

salams
 
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Thanks lolwhatever.

I found this little quote from a longer article (http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/women.html) to be helpful:

"Towards her husband, a Muslim lady is friend, lover, advisor confidante, help-mate, and supervisor of his home. She is this way, because she her husband will obey the command from Almighty God to love, maintain, and protect her at all cost. Men are protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has given the one more strength than the other, and because they support them from their means. (Surah an-Nissaa:34). Because she has been given the assurance that she will be maintained, a Muslim lady does not have to go out to work; rather she can stay home and care for her family, which is her main responsibility. However, if she chooses to work, in the home or out, she may do so and is she chooses to aid her family financially, she may also do so, obtaining thereby Allahs blessings. Yet if she chooses not to aid financially, Allah has stated in the Holy Quran to women what they earn and to men what they earn. Since it is not the responsibility of a woman to maintain her family she does not have to do so, nor give any money to her family. And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display of yourselves like that of the former times of ignorance. (Surah Ahzab:33). O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters and believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad). (Surah Ahzab:59). Islam encourages that Muslim ladies stay home and tend to their families. However, it does not mean that ladies cannot go out for business, for family needs, for society needs, or just socially visiting family and friends. If Muslim ladies expected to only stay in the home, there would not have been rules and guidelines on how to dress and conduct oneself outside of the home. According to traditions of the Holy Last Messenger (s.a.s.), women receive many blessings for being home, yet she may leave her home for various reasons, and not incur Allah's displeasure. "
 
Al-Mu'minah said:
The Ayaah indeed is addressed to the mothers of the believers but we too should take heed and follow it.

Allah fixed the natural place for the woman to worship and obey Allah, considering the household jobs will be the best duty to be undertaken by the woman in the world life. This is contrary to man who is required by nature to work and keep performing prayers in the mosque. Moreover, man, and not the woman, is the one who has to move freely to earn living.
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salam,

Allah says that the Prophet's wives were special and that ordinary women are not like the wives of the Prophet:

"Oh wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women..." - (33:32)


Then why is it so hard to believe that the Prophet's wives could recieve an instruction that does not equally apply to all believing women?

 
 
Ameen- said:
salam,

Allah says that the Prophet's wives were special and that ordinary women are not like the wives of the Prophet:

"Oh wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women..." - (33:32)


Then why is it so hard to believe that the Prophet's wives could recieve an instruction that does not equally apply to all believing women?

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Yes....jazakallah for posting that up :)

I stil hav no reps :(
 
^^ that's a very silly conclusion...

by your logic we can derive that the laws of ifk don't apply when our sisters get slandered because it only applied to aysha because of her special status.

yes the wives of the prophet are extermely special because we consider them as our mothers etc... but as far as behaviour is concerned and etiquette, there's alot we can derive from the verses revealed to them.
 
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they may not be like ordinary women but fact is we'll look up to them so if they were in the streets of the markets 24/7 we'd be like if they were allowed we should be too kinda thing... ok i dont make sense!

the main place i hate going to is the cash and carry them disgusting men always staring even if u look to the shelves theres always one some where staring, i thank Allah [swt] i wear niqaab ;D

anyways i think a woman should be allowed like for her needs but to go out to an extent where she's going to neglect her houehold duties e.g. cooking/cleaning then she shouldnt go out so often .. am i even making sense [wacko] :uhwhat

ma'salamah
 
^^ yeh sis i agree totally, it's simple.. as long as priorities are set and taken care of, all is cool as long as it's within Islam's guidelines :D

salamz
 
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