Women Leadership

[syilla]

^^^ akhee... i'm not saying that women should be the leader of all leader.

and you think a man is the right person to be the minister of a woman and children?? a man that should discuss in private with the women thats in trouble?
akhee...you're talking in such a general way that as if...when someone fought women's right...that woman is a feminist??? or are you saying that i'm a feminist???

Is there any public transportation only for women in your place that avoid the women from fitnah at your place? Is there a minister that can find job for the widow/single mother to help her to survive? Is there any law that can guarantee when the husband died the woman can get her share or does she needs to fight at court or if only the husband only remember to put her as beneficiary. Is there any hospitals just for the woman?

and do you think all the above is feminist??? and you don't like your wife to be surrounded only with ladies? or the ladies has no right at all... no driving cars(because n there are no man instructors since woman are not appropriate to work), no going to schools since woman are not allowed to go to school (since you hardly find islamic schools just for woman), no going shopping since most of the shops are mixed with guys.

I just don't like the ideas when a topic is been generalise without considering everything that matters. Astaghfirullahalazim... sometimes people as if they are really out there protecting the women's right!!!

This is the first time i'm going to be emotional and i don't even care if anyone think i'm feminist. If anyone knows me...i'm so far from it!!!

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't support women leadership due to it could be quite dangerous (assassination attempts), it is a burden and I believe the role of a leader in a proper Islamic state is head of the military, a member can correct me if I'm wrong.

I think a women should be in charge of all matters relating to women and children. Of course a Muslim women could be head of departments of finance, healthcare, justice, planning and so on.

I think we should have a separate system, man in charge of what men do and a women in charge of women do...

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

^^^ akhee... i'm not saying that women should be the leader of all leader.

and you think a man is the right person to be the minister of a woman and children?? a man that should discuss in private with the women thats in trouble?
akhee...you're talking in such a general way that as if...when someone fought women's right...that woman is a feminist??? or are you saying that i'm a feminist???

Is there any public transportation only for women in your place that avoid the women from fitnah at your place? Is there a minister that can find job for the widow/single mother to help her to survive? Is there any law that can guarantee when the husband died the woman can get her share or does she needs to fight at court or if only the husband only remember to put her as beneficiary. Is there any hospitals just for the woman?

and do you think all the above is feminist??? and you don't like your wife to be surrounded only with ladies? or the ladies has no right at all... no driving cars(because n there are no man instructors since woman are not appropriate to work), no going to schools since woman are not allowed to go to school (since you hardly find islamic schools just for woman), no going shopping since most of the shops are mixed with guys.

I just don't like the ideas when a topic is been generalise without considering everything that matters. Astaghfirullahalazim... sometimes people as if they are really out there protecting the women's right!!!

This is the first time i'm going to be emotional and i don't even care if anyone think i'm feminist. If anyone knows me...i'm so far from it!!!

may Allaah restrain my tongue

i apologise, ive offended you.



i see what your saying, that women need to speak out and be active in the community. No argument there, indeed a woman corrected Umar radhiallahu anhu and women advised the best of the best. Advice from them is always saught and lessons from them are always learned.

What i was referring to however is women in leadership such as presidents/governers and the likes.


Assalamu Alaikum and again i apologise for the offence caused

 

[zakirs]

^^^ akhee... i'm not saying that women should be the leader of all leader.

and you think a man is the right person to be the minister of a woman and children?? a man that should discuss in private with the women thats in trouble?
akhee...you're talking in such a general way that as if...when someone fought women's right...that woman is a feminist??? or are you saying that i'm a feminist???

Is there any public transportation only for women in your place that avoid the women from fitnah at your place? Is there a minister that can find job for the widow/single mother to help her to survive? Is there any law that can guarantee when the husband died the woman can get her share or does she needs to fight at court or if only the husband only remember to put her as beneficiary. Is there any hospitals just for the woman?

and do you think all the above is feminist??? and you don't like your wife to be surrounded only with ladies? or the ladies has no right at all... no driving cars(because n there are no man instructors since woman are not appropriate to work), no going to schools since woman are not allowed to go to school (since you hardly find islamic schools just for woman), no going shopping since most of the shops are mixed with guys.

I just don't like the ideas when a topic is been generalise without considering everything that matters. Astaghfirullahalazim... sometimes people as if they are really out there protecting the women's right!!!

This is the first time i'm going to be emotional and i don't even care if anyone think i'm feminist. If anyone knows me...i'm so far from it!!!

I liked your post sis. Indeed thats why many so called muslim heads annoy me when they pronounce women should not work. I mean what can a widow or a women with disabled husband do ? starve ? . Why don't people think with their heads :| :|

 

[syilla]

may Allaah restrain my tongue

i apologise, ive offended you.



i see what your saying, that women need to speak out and be active in the community. No argument there, indeed a woman corrected Umar radhiallahu anhu and women advised the best of the best. Advice from them is always saught and lessons from them are always learned.

What i was referring to however is women in leadership such as presidents/governers and the likes.


Assalamu Alaikum and again i apologise for the offence caused

aww...not to worry. Is just me being emotional. ;D

In malaysia we always say this zero zero (kosong kosong). It means lets start again (in a friendship).

I liked your post sis. Indeed thats why many so called muslim heads annoy me when they pronounce women should not work. I mean what can a widow or a women with disabled husband do ? starve ? . Why don't people think with their heads :| :|

i know akhee...but sometimes you can not change other people way of thinking. We can only change ourselves and try to make a difference.

 

[Rasema2]

i dont know i am female and i agree with the above statement. i mean even look at sarah palin.... sorry gals but i dont think women should RUN a country either...

dont get me wrong i think women can do EVERYTHING else but i just dont think the political arena is the right place.... mg:

You're already "Bosnisiesd" that isn't a word. Volim te. Allah says to woman to stay at home.

 

[Grofica]

You're already "Bosnisiesd" that isn't a word. Volim te. Allah says to woman to stay at home.

i dont think its about being "bosinized" (ali hvala puno ha ha ha) I think there are too many places where a woman would not be taken seriously enough. and really when clinton was in house everyone knew she said jump and bill said "how high" and look what she did for the country.... (rolling eyes)

but on the other hand i can think of some large companies that have women in high places and they do EXCELLENT... in all areas of commerce...

i believe women can do just about anything i just think there should be a line drawn somewhere...

i kad moj muz kaze nesto... to je to ali ja volim kad on je ozbilno muz...he he he he he he he he

Translation:
and when my husband says something that is that... but i like when he is a serious husband (ok its kind of more funny in bosnian but i tried to translate)

 

[Rasema2]

i kad moj muz kaze nesto... to je to ali ja volim kad on je ozbilno muz...he he he he he he he he

Good one. Loli, men who want to see a women on a display aren't sinceare husbands wether they were their wifves, relatives, or any other woman out there.

I am against it because you gain too much attention. A Muslim woman who represents Orthodox Islam doesn't display herself on TV. That is like going to a bar to represent Islam. All men have a disease in their hearts, just look at how many people visit your profile. Mixed forums are also not very wise for a woman to be on, there are rulings consearning it. Sometimes I ask myself "what am I doing?" "why am I on here?" Yes, it is all about intention, but our iman isn't always high, and no person out there has Allah in their remembrance for a long time, and when we don't, just look at my posts.

There is one saying by one of Muhammad's ,sallallahu alaihi wa sala's, wives that the best woman are those who have not been seen and that have not seen others.

 

[Grofica]

:Mixed forums are also not very wise for a woman to be on, there are rulings consearning it.

i dont know i dont think all places are bad. i mean it depends on where you are (i mean website) and what your doing with it. i mean there is this place and honestly i have never met a better group of people. but there are other places (i wont mention names) but social networking type things that are nothing but a digital meat market... i just think a little care is needed in desiding what to join...

 

[Rasema2]

i dont know i dont think all places are bad. i mean it depends on where you are (i mean website) and what your doing with it. i mean there is this place and honestly i have never met a better group of people. but there are other places (i wont mention names) but social networking type things that are nothing but a digital meat market... i just think a little care is needed in desiding what to join...

Well, I never ment, sestro(smile), that this place is bad. It is about us being bad. A woman should only post when absolutely necessary and not express their emotions. Anyways, if you want to discuss this issue it would be a good idea to start a thread lovely sis. Many of us woman would benefit from it, including myself.

 

[CosmicPathos]

I personally do not have a problem with women working as long as the society and environment does not put her honor at risk. Also if she is working at the expense of doing the house duties which were assigned to her during the marriage contract then yes that employment would be a no-no. Same applies to men though but in another severe.

Muslim women cannot participate in Muslim army on the battlefield. Sadly it is happening with the army of many Muslim countries. Working in intelligence etc or medical care for soldiers is a different story though but again it is better t have male doctors for male soldiers.

BTW, even these hollywood movies show how a guy and girl fall for each other at work place or when a guy goes for getting rabies vaccine (leonardo in body of lies for example) but then the west laughs at Muslims when Muslims try ti implement segregation of sexes to prevent such lust from being established in the first place! Ironic eh

 

[Shahreaz]

Although I voted YES but unfortunately I don't have any good example of women leadership in my country (Bangladesh). With over 90% Muslim population, it's a democratically elected parliamentary republic. We've two main political party like in US and both leaders of these two political party is WOMEN!! So no matter which political party wins in general election We always had (current) an Women PM. What can I say about them ? They have done nothing good for us in their entire political life. Just think they are two good (left & right hand) sister of Iblis!

 

[zakirs]

You're already "Bosnisiesd" that isn't a word. Volim te. Allah says to woman to stay at home.

Erm could you please elaborate where Allah mentions to stay at home ? .. Khadija (RZA) was very succesful buisiness women ?

 

[Rasema2]

Erm could you please elaborate where Allah mentions to stay at home ? .. Khadija (RZA) was very succesful buisiness women ?

Before or after Islam? Allah says that the safest place for woman is home. You know which verse it is under. Aldough, I gave a good explanation in my other post. One of the wives of Muhammad(sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said that the best woman are those who haven't been seen and have not seen others.
:wa:

 

[sister herb]

They should stay in the kitchen.

Where they belong. :statisfie

Men!

 

[zakirs]

Before or after Islam? Allah says that the safest place for woman is home. You know which verse it is under. Aldough, I gave a good explanation in my other post. One of the wives of Muhammad(sallallahu alaihi wa salam) said that the best woman are those who haven't been seen and have not seen others.
:wa:

being seen and not being seen is not equal to staying at home... that is the biggest mistake many people make and this leads to thousand and prolly millions of sisters not being able to study or read. If you are so conscious about not being seen wear a niqab ?

 

[Rasema2]

being seen and not being seen is not equal to staying at home... that is the biggest mistake many people make and this leads to thousand and prolly millions of sisters not being able to study or read. If you are so conscious about not being seen wear a niqab ?

Why are you getting into my personal life? You have no right! I wish I could and I believe that niqab is wajib, and your side of scholars can't reprove mine nor can mine reprove yours. And just because I quoted that doesn't mean that other stuff ,career etc.. is impermissible. We're talking about the best here.

I gave my reasoning, if I said something wrong reprove it with daleed, otherwisw you're wasting my time.

 

[ardianto]

Muslim women cannot participate in Muslim army on the battlefield. Sadly it is happening with the army of many Muslim countries.

There are women soldiers in Indonesia but they never participate in military operations or go to the battlefield. Their duties usually behind the desks.

Indonesia is not in war with foreign country, but we have/had problems with armed rebels (guerrilla) groups.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

1. Khadija (r) was a successful business woman but she hired others to do the actual business (i.e the transactions etc). This is how she met Muhammad :saws1:.

2. Allah says: 'And stay in your houses and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance' [Surah al-Ahzaab 33:33]

The Prophet saws1 said: 'Woman is ‘awrah and if she goes out the shaytaan raises his hopes (of misguiding her). She is never closer to Allaah than when she stays in her house.' [Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan and Ibn Khuzaymah; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Shaheehah, no. 2688]

And he saws1 said concerning a woman's prayer in the mosque: 'Their houses are better for them.' [Narrated by Abu Dawood (567) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.]

3. And last but not least:

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