Worship if Muhammud?

[mustafajadeed]

Salam Alay Koom:

My Sister, you have hit the nail on the head!

The Ayat in the Qur'an (For Cheese's Index ) you are looking for, is Q: 33:6 "The Prophet is closer to the believer than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers..."

But how many times did Allah Tell His Messenger to tell the people "I am only a Man"? (Q:41:6/18:110/17:93) and that he was "only a Messenger"? (Q:3:144) and to tell the people of the Book "No extremes in your Religion"(Q:4:171) and that the Book(Qur'an) "Teaches you should Worship Allah" (Q:11:2). That should be all you need to Know!

But people have a tendency to "Slip the Pedestal" up under men that they like. Did the Companions call the Prophet(saw)"Holy", no. They called him "Messenger of Allah" "Allah's Messenger" etc. the "Holy" is in the English parenthesis not in the Arabic.

Allah has an Attribute called "Al Quddus" "The Holy One"-Only One that is "Holy". So how can anything or anyone else be "Holy" when Allah Him/Itself IS the Holy One?

Do not get me wrong, I Love my Prophet(saw), The Qur'an(They put "Holy" in English but if you at the Arabic on it, it is usually "Al Kareem (Noble/Generous) and Majid(Honorable) on the cover , The Kaaba( in the Qur'an in Arabic as Al Beyt(The House) or Al Masjid Al Haram(The Forbidden Masjid), and all else in Islam. I just can not Worship those things, and Seperated Muhammed from the Other Prophets(saw)(Q: 2:136/2:285/3:84/4:150-152).

If I listen to Qur'an, then I must listen to Qur'an and not what has become "Popular" is many cases.

Only Allah is Holy so says Himself...I have the choice to obey that Order or not.
How can I say the Christians have worshipping Their Prophet(who is also one of my Prophets(saw) is wrong, when I am just a wrong about doing it to My Own? Ma Salam

 

[*charisma*]

Greetings,

It seems to me that your logic is back to front on this question. You don't say "Muhammad (pbuh) was the most perfect human being, therefore we should follow his example", but "We follow his example, therefore he must have been the most perfect human being." Can you see the difference?

lol i was going to reply to cheese's thread yesterday to correct her on that cuz i felt it was said in a weird way, cudnt agree with it, so thanks for pointing that out..

Muhammed (saaws) was a perfect human being before we were able to follow his examples, so what ur first statement says is very correct in our beliefs , although all the prophets were made to be perfect, but it doesnt mean that we were supposed to follow all their examples. Reason being Muhammed was the one that carried out Islam and his practices were preserved in original form through the years by strong followers unlike with the past prophets (peace be upon them). So therefore Muhammed was created perfectly before Islam was brought to us.

"We follow his example, therefore he must have been the most perfect human being."

Cheese's statment didnt work out because if we followed his example for him to have been a perfect human being, then we would have been perfect, and we are not.

regards

 

[Malaikah]

and Greetings.

oh.. hmm um.. good point! i know what you mean, and i knew it sounded weird when i said it, but the reason i said it that way was becuase i was talking to a non-muslim. i thought that if i had just said "the prophet is perfect thats why we follow his example", well why would a non-muslim beleive me that the prophet is perfect in the first place?

So the reason why i said it the other way around was not because i had my doubts, but rather to present my argument is such a way as to highlight that if God had allocated a man for humanity to follow as an example, then naturally this man would have to be perfect. i thought that this approach would acheive the best effect.

Anyone understand my point? Naturally, if i were talking to a muslim, i would have said that the prophet was perfect that is why we follow him, since the muslim would already believe that Muhammad pbuh is perfect.

Peace.

p.s. nice comment bro musatafajadeed

 

[mustafajadeed]

Salam Alay Koom:

Actually, Qur'an Does say to follow their example: Q:4:90 "Those were the (Prophets) who recieved Allah's guidance: copy the guidance they recieved" This is after Q:4:84, where the list of Prophets(saw) started and ending with the Qur'anic Order (Fard- see Q:28:85 "Inna iladthee farada a'layka alQuraana") to copy them. When I say something, please look it up for yourself(I notice some do- alHamdu-lillahi- I am not perfect, and I am not a Hafizth, but I do try to keep track of what is and what is not in Qur'an.)

Plus as I mentioned earlier, there are the multiple "No Separation of Prophets" Order- the Qur'an also mentions those who separate (Q:4:150-152), I cannot make that mistake.

 

[abdul Majid]

we MUST obey the PROPHET(pbh),



The Companions of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) used to take the ruling on different matters in their lives from the Qur

 

[abdul Majid]

The Companions of the Prophet (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) used to take the ruling on different matters in their lives from the Qur

 

[abdul Majid]

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A very strong indicator of the obligation upon us to follow the Sunnah can be found in this aayah:

"...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur

 

[abdul Majid]

A very strong indicator of the obligation upon us to follow the Sunnah can be found in this aayah:

"...And whatsoever the Messenger (Muhammad (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam)) gives you, take it, and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it) , and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is severe in punishment." [Qur’aan 59:7] Allah has also made the obedience of Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) in conjunction with the obedience to Him:

"And obey Allah and the Messenger, that ye may obtain mercy." [Qur’aan 3:132]

We are asked by Allah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) to answer any order by Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam):

"O ye who believe! give your response to Allah and His Messenger, when He calleth you to that which will give you life." [Qur’aan 8:24]

Allah made the obedience of Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) an obedience to Him, and following Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) an indication of the love of Allah subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa:

"He who obeys the Messenger, obeys Allah." [Qur’aan 4:80]

"Say: If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you sins." [Qur’aan 3:31]

And Allah subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa warrned us from not following the instructions of Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam):

"Then let those beware who withstand the Messenger’s order, lest some trial befall them, or a grievous penalty be inflicted on them." [Qur’aan 24:63]

Not only that, but Allah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) told us that disobeying Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) is Kufr (disbelief):

"Say: Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith." [Qur’aan 3:32]

It was never allowed by Allah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) that a believer disobey Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) order:

"It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." [Qur’aan 33:36]

To show that not following the ruling of Rasoolullaah (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) when a dispute occurs is a sign of hypocrisy, Allah (subhaanahu wa ta`aalaa) says:

"They say, We believe in Allah and in the apostle, and we obey; but even after that, some of them turn away; they are not (really) Believers. When they are summoned to Allah and His apostle, in order that He may judge between them, behold some of them decline (to come)....The answer of the Believers, when summoned to Allah and His Messenger, in order that He may judge between them, is no other than this: they say, "We hear and we obey"; it is such as these that will attain felicity." [Qur’aan 24:47-51]

 

[mustafajadeed]

Salam Alay Koom:

Of Course we must obey the Prophet(saw) Specifically:Obey Allah, Obey the Messenger, and those charged with Authority over you (Q:4:59) but Allah also wanted you to learn from the Prophets(saw) before him in this One Religion that he had established, so you can see where mankind had changed the Deen(way of Faith)- and not repeat the mistakes people(Not the Prophets(saw)) made-Did Isa Ibn Maryam/The Man Called Jesus tell people to worship him? No, the qur'an confirms that(Q:5:119-120). If you do not research and find out about the prior Prophets(saw), who Allah himself guided, how do you know where man went wrong? Muhammed(saw) said he was the Last Brick in a wall (that is in Hadith, I cannot "Quote" and give the number for it, but I simply "remember" it- Take it with a grain of salt until YOU run across it too ) So you cannot just see the one "Brick" and forget the rest of the bricks in the wall.

 

[abdul Majid]

i agree brother

 

[shorouk]

we love allah very very much as he is our one and only god but the reason that u may b noticing that we muslims refer more to he prophet is because he is our role model ... he wa s aperfect man and You can follow the beloved prophet Isa (AS) “Jesus” as a poor abstinent, a patient citizen, or a pious young man. However, you cannot follow his model as a grandfather, father, or husband, simply because he did not get married. You can follow the model of Solaiman (AS) “Solomon” as a just ruler or a thankful wealthy man, but you cannot follow him as a weak citizen or as an oppressed poor man, simply because he did not lead such a life. The only human who has gone through all experiences is our beloved prophet (SAWS). He led a poor and a rich life, he was strong and weak, he lived as a citizen and as a ruler, he strived for peace, yet he was a great conquest leader. If you are rich, you can follow his example when he received money and treasures that would fill the space between two mountains. If you are poor, you can follow him when he tied a stone to his stomach to lessen his sufferings because of starvation. If you are a teacher, you can follow his way of treating his companions, and if you are a student you can follow his example when he received the Revelation from Jibril (AS) “Gabriel” etc. He is the only one who was a husband of one woman and of many women, he had children and he witnessed the death of some of them. Everything is there; you can follow him in every respect of your life.

 

[shorouk]

also wen u are reading about islam and the prophet peace b upon him make sure that the book or site is trusted... some ppl write rong contradicting thinsg about islam which are NOT TRUE!

like the part about the prophet murdering he did far from murder
there were his enemies that would throw garbage in front of his house and yet he was patient and ever so tolerant....and so much more ...

i think to get a clear understanding u should go to mosque and ask ... or simply a sk a muslim

 

[M H Kahn]

Please take this question without offense because none is intended, it is a true question for me, but, The prophet says "I am the most perfect human being to ever live, you all must love me more than your family or yourself." Um, hmm... please.. really... no offense intended.. but are you sure that this is not the trick I was asking about earlier? It does seem, well, a little bit self serving , or at least convenient for muhammud. I could say that to people too (but I am sure that they would throw assorted rotten food items at me, but then I am not a real smooth talker).

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Hi Malsidab !
Hadiths, in the sense they are used today, are sayings of Muhammed (pbuh) during his life-time; but collected around two centuries after his death by different individuals through personal efforts. They have, in their collections of the sayings of Allah's Messengers (pbuh), included both his public religious sermons as well as private talks with different indiviuals. Only Allah knows the best how far the records of the private sayings of Muhammed (pbuh) are true! None can say for sure whether any said saying was really said by Muhammed (pbuh), as it is quite unlikely that a saying may pass exactly as it was originally said to later generations of nearly 200 years . Secondly, it is inconceivable why private talks other than public addresses on religious matters of the Prophet(pbuh) should form part of religion? These questions have remained unanswered and perhaps will never be answered.

Despite this, we cannot deny the importance of Hadith in Islam. Most of the Hadiths are in essence explanations or clarifications of the Quranic ordainments; but there are a lot of stories, quite conflicting with the Quran, recorded as private stories told by the Prophet(pbuh) to diffrerent individuals. Here comes the devil who has far succeeded in making many people worship the Prophet(pbuh), self-declared saints ( I do not know how a man or woman becomes a saint while no criteria or definition has been available in the Quran or Hadith), and graves etc.

As regards the Hadith on love for Prophet(pbuh), I do not doubt its genuineness, while Allah knows the real truth. But I think the love might be expressed in guarding the Prophet(pbuh) in the warfield from enemies, dying in wars for the cause of Islam at his order, sacrificing properties in the cause of Islam in his life-time and, above all, following his ideals till the Day of Destruction. But now-a-days we find a lot of so-called scholars and their blind followers worshipping Prophet(pbuh) and when they are reminded that they should worship none but Allah, they point out that it is their love for Prophet(pbuh). In other words, in worshipping Prophet(pbuh), they explain, they follow the Hadith. They also quote various other stories, quite conflicting with the Quran, as Hadiths in support of their worshipping the Prophet(pbuh) and graves of good people. They even worship so many live people who iimply that they have talking connection with Allah, meaning they have attained sainthood. But the teachings of the Prophet(pbuh) was to worship Allah alone in the way he worshipped Him. This is all the Islamic or divine code of conduct.
Obviously the misguided are the friends of the devils.

 

[Ibrar]

read the story about the prophet Muhammad (saw) then you will know every thing about his life!!

 

[M H Kahn]

Muslims love Muhammad (SAW) bec He is the habib Of Allah.(ALLAH loves Muhammad (SAW) more than any body else)
As Muslims love Allah very much therefore they Also Love Allah's love (habib) Hazrat Muhammad (SAW).

I think what you have stated above are mere hearsays not backed by any documents. It is quite natural that Allah will love his appostles and the believing people. But is it necessary to know the extent of Allah's love for His apostle? Or invent stories without any evidence ?

What is the basis of your saying that Muhammad (SAW) is the habib (friend)of Allah? In the Quran, the fully detailed scripture, we are told that he was one of the apostles of Allah and the last of them ? Could you or any one else come forward to give the truth to light?

 

[M H Kahn]

Evidence:

When Sayiduna 'Umar heard him say,"None of you believes until he loves me more than he loves his children, his parents, and all people," he said, "O Messenger of God, you are indeed dearer to me than all else except my own self."

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "No, by He in whose hand my soul is, not until I am dearer to you than your own self."

At which Sayiduna 'Umar said, "Now, by God, you are dearer to me than my own self!" At which he was told, "Now, 'Umar!" (Meaning now, your faith is complete).

What does 'Sayiduna' mean?
Does it mean 'leader' ?
Could you or anyone else explain why many people use the term 'Sayiduna' before the prophet, his companions and other good people?

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