Would you lie to get your friends to stop fighting?

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Would you lie to get your friends to stop fighting?

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Why must a muslim lie? Surely, a true muslim should learned well enough not to fight among themselves. Then, they must also know that there are even a code of conduct when engaging in argument! Naah, lying will not solved anything....
 
glo said:
Hi Nicola

I agree with you to some extend.
Lying is a sin and should therefore be avoided.

But what if lying would prevent a greater sin? At an extreme, say, would you lie to save an somebody's life?
An intruder charges into your house with a gun, demanding to know where your friend is - because he wants to kill him/her! Your friend happens to be next door. Do you tell the intruder (- because, after all, lying is a sin), or do you lie to save your friend?

Personally, I would lie, because in this case Jesus' law to 'love your neighbour' would overrule the law 'not to lie'.
Just my personal interpretation! What do you think? I'd be fairly comfotable to stand before the Lord one day, and explain myself. :)

I'd love to hear your views.

God bless.
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salam,

but GLO why lie god is watching and at the end of the day it's not allowed in christianity too :)

W.salam
 
Syed Nizam said:
Why must a muslim lie? Surely, a true muslim should learned well enough not to fight among themselves. Then, they must also know that there are even a code of conduct when engaging in argument! Naah, lying will not solved anything....
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salam,

that is so true bro i agree with you why ''lie''??

w.salam
 
Syed Nizam said:
Why must a muslim lie? Surely, a true muslim should learned well enough not to fight among themselves. Then, they must also know that there are even a code of conduct when engaging in argument! Naah, lying will not solved anything....
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this might sound crazy but i think that it's good to lie in this type of situation.
 
islamgyal said:
salam,

but GLO why lie god is watching and at the end of the day it's not allowed in christianity too :)

W.salam
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I kind of thought I'd explained why lying may be the 'lesser of two evils' sometimes.
What would you do? Would you lie to save your friend's life?

Jesus did not condone following God's laws blindly - at least I don't think so.
The parabel of the Good Samaritan demonstrates that. Those men who left the injured man bleeding lying in the street without helping him were religious people, who didn't (according to the law) want to make themselves 'unclean' and therefore be excluded from attending certain eligious ceremonies.
Sometimes you have to break a law - not for your own gain, but for the greater good!
That does not mean that the law in itself is obsolete or irrelevant.

This is only my personal view. Feel free to disagree! :)
Perhaps it is more of an ethical debate, rather than a religious one.

Blessings,
 
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I wouldn't lie, I would try and remain as neutral as possible and would try to explain to both.

I was actually in a situation where two of my friends were not speaking with one another but I remained neutral and didn't intervene: it was between them two and not me - i just happened to know the two. However, when I spoke with them I didn't mention the situation.
Alhumdulilah the two brothers have made up (it was only for a few days) and their friendship is just as strong as it was before.

p.s; I think it also depends on the actual fighting. In my case, the two were blanking one another, not fighting per se.

p.p.;s no names were mentioned purely for confidentiality reasons.
 
glo said:
Hi Nicola

I agree with you to some extend.
Lying is a sin and should therefore be avoided.

But what if lying would prevent a greater sin? At an extreme, say, would you lie to save an somebody's life?
An intruder charges into your house with a gun, demanding to know where your friend is - because he wants to kill him/her! Your friend happens to be next door. Do you tell the intruder (- because, after all, lying is a sin), or do you lie to save your friend?

Personally, I would lie, because in this case Jesus' law to 'love your neighbour' would overrule the law 'not to lie'.
Just my personal interpretation! What do you think? I'd be fairly comfotable to stand before the Lord one day, and explain myself. :)

I'd love to hear your views.

God bless.
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I can understand your point exactly..and yes I would lie to save someones life..but that would still make me a liar in the eyes of God no matter what..and I must repent..(like you said we are answerable to God alone and I'd give my reason why I did lie and he would know my hearts intention)

Gods commandment is do not lie..


There isn't a person who has never lied besides Jesus Christ on this earth..

So I know all people lie, for whatever reason but they should repent..not be given permission to lie.....

We lie, it's a sin... we repent. (Bible)



We are allowed to lie.... and this is not a sin..(Quran)

Hope you understand where I'm coming from can you see the difference what I'm getting at?
 
Eveyrthing is but by intentions. If i lied to save an orphan from hunger who would blame me?
 
i answered this totally in realtion to my own personal friends...and no i couldnt lie....number one...im bad at lying...number two i prefer to say it how it is with my friends....number three lies have a way of catching up with you...and there are more but im being lazy....its late!!
 
Nicola said:
I can understand your point exactly..and yes I would lie to save someones life..but that would still make me a liar in the eyes of God no matter what..and I must repent..(like you said we are answerable to God alone and I'd give my reason why I did lie and he would know my hearts intention)

Gods commandment is do not lie..


There isn't a person who has never lied besides Jesus Christ on this earth..

So I know all people lie, for whatever reason but they should repent..not be given permission to lie.....

We lie, it's a sin... we repent. (Bible)



We are allowed to lie.... and this is not a sin..(Quran)

Hope you understand where I'm coming from can you see the difference what I'm getting at?
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Hi Nicola

Yes, I can see where you are coming from.
Thanks for getting back to me. :)

I guess what I was trying to say is that I believe God's word to be alive with his spirit. It needs to be lived and applied everyday.
If you treat it like a dead set of instructions, it will not work.

Does that make sense?

God bless,
 
glo said:
Hi Nicola

Yes, I can see where you are coming from.
Thanks for getting back to me. :)

I guess what I was trying to say is that I believe God's word to be alive with his spirit. It needs to be lived and applied everyday.
If you treat it like a dead set of instructions, it will not work.

Does that make sense?

God bless,
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I believe we are looking at this issue from different angles.....I know Gods word is living..and of course I would lie to save a life...and not follow our set instructions concerning lying in certain instances..so I'm not really on about how we apply those laws to our life...but rather.

I don't believe God ever changed those sets of rules...literally written down rules..to let lying not be a sin. Jesus tells us those Commandents still stand from when they where given to Moses and will do so till the end of time.


Because God never changes...so why would He now make some lying not a sin in the Koran.


Peace
 
Nicola said:
We lie, it's a sin... we repent. (Bible)



We are allowed to lie.... and this is not a sin..(Quran)
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Islam is a very practical and comfortable religion. You very easily mentioned that in Islam one is allowed t lie however this is not the case unless some certain conditions are meant. Unlike the christianity you portray, Islam considers one's intention for doing a certain act. Therefore lying under very special cases is not a sin
 
Nicola said:
I don't believe God ever changed those sets of rules...literally written down rules..to let lying not be a sin. Jesus tells us those Commandents still stand from when they where given to Moses and will do so till the end of time.

Peace
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I totally agree with you! :)

God bless,
 
Some time ago Nicola, you said that God cared for internal cleanliness, similarly God carews for intentions more than the actions.
 
Hello Nicola,
Nicola said:
We are allowed to lie.... and this is not a sin..(Quran)
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I can't believe you would say something like this without any evidence, especially after I debunked this misconception of yours in this post. The Qur'an and the Ahadith condemn lying as the most grievious sin! Since you read my post, you obviously knew that lying was a sin in Islam, yet you still said that the Qur'an says it is not a sin!

Your claim that the Qur'an says we are allowed to lie is a blatant untruth - nowhere does the Qur'an say that!

On the contrary the Qur'an condemns lying saying that liars will have blackened faces on the day of judgement (39:60), God guides not the liars (40:28), liars have a painful doom awaiting them (2:10), God commands Muslims to speak the truth (9:119), none is more oppressive than the one who invents a lie against God (29:28), we are accountable for every promise (17:34), Muslims are to shun lying (22:30).

And the Prophet condemned lying as well in so many narrations:

Make truth mandatory on yourself because truth shows the way to righteousness and righteousness takes you to paradise, and a person becomes committed to the search for the truth until he is listed amongst the truthful by Allah. Stay away from lies because they lead to sin and depravation, which is the way to hell, and the liar is swept by the current of lies, seeks them and is ultimately listed amongst the liars by Allah.(Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu Dawud, Sunan Tirmidhi)

When a person lies, the angels shun him for miles because of the stench of that lie (Sunan Tirmidhi)

A person once asked the prophet (peace be upon him): “Is it possible for someone to have faith yet be a coward?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “Yes”. He then asked: “Is it possible for him to be stingy?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “Yes”. He then asked: “Is it possible for him to be a liar?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied: “No.” (Sunan Al-Bayhaqi)

The Islamic evidence which condemns lying is overhwelming, and now that you have seen it you can no longer make the outrageous claim that the Qur'an condones lying.

The Ahadith have only made the exception when there is a greater evil that must be prevented - for example the scenario that glo mentioned where lying would save someone's life. God is fair and just - He does not punish us for those things over which we had no control. Therefore, lying in such a circumstance is not a sin, it is the right thing to do. In fact if someone did not lie in such circumstances then they have cause the death of an innocent and have done something worse. God does not ordain laws, which if carried out will cause evil. This is why the Prophet made an exception for lying in such cases, to prevent great evil like the loss of life. But the Qur'an and Ahadith have still condemned lying as a terrible sin.

This is the second time I have shown you that the Qur'an and Ahadith condemn lying. For now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you forgot. But the next time you claim that lying is not a sin in the Qur'an or in Islam, your claim will be an inexcusable lie.

Regards
 

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