Wrong to attack non-Muslims

[sister herb]

You like to bring him up a lot - its seems your more intrested with those type of people then the mainstream muslims.

To LauraS;

I don´t even know who is that Omar Barkri you mention all the time. He might be more known for non-muslims than for muslims in general.

 

[Yanal]

For Muslims,we musn't attack non-Muslims,but non Muslims shouldn't attack Muslims either.

 

[glo]

^
Seems quite straight forward, when you say it like that, Yanal.

 

[Yanal]

Hi Glo,

Yes,it should be like that in my opinion and is the best opinion.

 

[glo]

I agree, Yanal.

If everybody lived by that very simple principle, the world would surely be a more peaceful place.

 

[Yanal]

Yes,but as simple as it sounds,it is really difficult for some to act upon it in reality,which is the root of the problem.

 

[glo]

salaam

those videos wernt so secret especailly if the narrow minded have seen them and actually believe it represents the majority of muslims.

By the way there are many crazy christians out there - Terry Jones, John Hagee and the pastor (Parsley I think) that promoted Mccain are preety crazy and whats more scary is that these guys are in with americas mainstream republicans unlike Bin Laden, Omer Bakri and Anjem Chaudery who are preety much nobodies.

peace

I agree that there are many crazy people who give our religions a bad name and do very serious damage. Sadly! imsad
All we can do is stand up and speak out against them, to let the world know that they do not speak for the rest of us!

 

[Ramadhan]

but its ok to kill idolators and polytheists. surah 9 vers 5 tells so!

Can you tell me what QS. at Tauba says from the beginning, not just cut and choose?
can you tell me WHY and HOW the series of the beginning of QS. at Tauba were revealed?
Who are those idolators and polytheists that were allowed to be killed?

Since you seem to have very strong conviction about that ayat, I expect you to be also very knowledgable about the ayahs.

 

[Trumble]

Laura, I am not sure what the purpose of your post is. Brother Perseveranze stated that non-Muslims that are not open-minded, will never understand the teachings of Islam. He claimed that many non-Muslims are brain-washed into believing that Islam is a violent religion due to Quranic verses taken out of context.

I don't think 'brain-washed' is exactly appropriate, unless you wish to apply the same description to those muslims who believe even half the garbage about other religions spread by Harun Yahya and his ilk. Misled, possibly. I would also, frankly, suggest that opinions are formed far more by events shown on TV than out-of-context Qur'anic verses, although I fully except media coverage might well be selective, biased and focus on a tiny minority of muslims.

You responded by stating that some no-Muslims have watched secret videos of hate preachers who advocate killing non-Muslims. This show that some non-Muslims are truly brainwashed because they accept what see or hear on the mainstream media, instead carrying out research on Islam.

Again, where is the 'brain-washing'? These people do exist. If they did not, there would be no such videos. I would also be curious to see how many muslims 'carry out research' on other religions before condemning them and the actions of their believers.. there has been scant evidence of that here recently, particularly in relation to Hinduism.

 

[GuestFellow]

I don't think 'brain-washed' is exactly appropriate, unless you wish to apply the same description to those muslims who believe even half the garbage about other religions spread by Harun Yahya and his ilk.

I don't even know Harun Yahya. :/

Yes, there some Muslims who are ignorant about other religions.

Misled, possibly. I would also, frankly, suggest that opinions are formed far more by events shown on TV than out-of-context Qur'anic verses, although I fully except media coverage might well be selective, biased and focus on a tiny minority of muslims.

Yes, there are biased politicians, academics and authors that are taken Qur'anic verses out of context.

Again, where is the 'brain-washing'? These people do exist. If they did not, there would be no such videos.

Then post the videos then. I would like to hear what these people have to say.

I would also be curious to see how many muslims 'carry out research' on other religions before condemning them and the actions of their believers.. there has been scant evidence of that here recently, particularly in relation to Hinduism.

Then post the topic, showing Muslims on this forum their ignorance towards Hinduism?

Yes, misled is a better term.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I know the majority do not attack non-Muslims, but let me express this. I do hate it that when I speak with Muslims, and mention that I'm Jewish, the subject somehow manages to veer to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

 

[Ramadhan]

I know the majority do not attack non-Muslims,

Let's have a look at the fact, shall we: the number of muslims who have been killed in the past decade by non-muslims, whether in Palestina, Iraq or Afghanistan is FAR FAR GREATER than the number of non-muslims killed by muslims.

I do hate it that when I speak with Muslims, and mention that I'm Jewish, the subject somehow manages to veer to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

That is unfortunate.
But it is what it is.
Although not all jews support Israel, but most do.

Let's see the comparison:
a few muslims supposedly flew three planes into buildings in the US, and after that the attitude of western govt/people have been venomous towards muslims with most associating muslims as condoning suicide terrors or as terrorists themselves, resulting in two muslim countries attacked and invaded resulting in more than a million killed, men women young old and children.

meanwhile, a state of israel (which is basically a state of the jews) with the full support of western government especially the US (and especially the jewish population and jewish establishments in the US) have been invading muslim lands for years, killing and attacking its populations sistematically, marginalising the rest, driving the muslim populations to few confined areas, restricting aid (even sabotaging and destroying incoming aid), stealing their lands and homes,
and jews expect what from muslims?

 

[Darth Ultor]

Not as much as Muslims killed by Muslims. For the conflict, I'll say this, no side is innocent. If I had children, I would never send them to Israel to serve in the army. Jews and Muslims are the children of Abraham, and we are capable of peaceful coexistence (e.g. Muslim Spain). I have a pretty conservative, if not narrow-minded view of this, but if you get rid of the nutjobs in the Knesset and the Hamas, and replace them with reasonable thinking people, then we might get somewhere.

 

[GuestFellow]

I do hate it that when I speak with Muslims, and mention that I'm Jewish, the subject somehow manages to veer to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

Yes, I do think some Muslims need to understand that Muslims, Jews and Christians lived together for a thousands of years in peace in general. In addition, they need to understand there is a difference between Judaism and Zionism. I would not like it if anyone came to me and kept going on about September 11th.

I have a pretty conservative, if not narrow-minded view of this, but if you get rid of the nutjobs in the Knesset and the Hamas, and replace them with reasonable thinking people, then we might get somewhere.

What do you mean reasonable thinking people?

 

[sister herb]

I know the majority do not attack non-Muslims, but let me express this. I do hate it that when I speak with Muslims, and mention that I'm Jewish, the subject somehow manages to veer to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.

In Palestine situation hasn´t nothing between jews/muslims but about zionists. It depends are you just Jew or are you pure Zionist?

 

[sister herb]

but if you get rid of the nutjobs in the Knesset and the Hamas, and replace them with reasonable thinking people, then we might get somewhere.

Do you think that people in Hamas aren´t thinking people? Only because they represent Islamic Movement they possible don´t think?

 

[Darth Ultor]

Saying Hamas represents Islam is like saying Kahane represents Jews. And I was under the impression that suicide and killing of non-combatants is forbidden in Islam. I'm sure I saw it in the Quran somewhere. So they do not represent Islam, they represent themselves.

 

[Perseveranze]

what exactly is your point here brother. i just recited Allahs word and he said idolators must get killed!! and what does QS mean?


what exactly is your point here brother

Brother

I believe your misunderstanding the message of Allah(swt). I suggest you read up a bit about the History of the Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) so you have a better understanding of how events unfolded under which circumstances. Maybe then you might be able to better understand the context of each verse in regards to this subject.

 

[Dagless]

Saying Hamas represents Islam is like saying Kahane represents Jews. And I was under the impression that suicide and killing of non-combatants is forbidden in Islam. I'm sure I saw it in the Quran somewhere. So they do not represent Islam, they represent themselves.

Who said Hamas represent Islam? They represent the Palestinian people.

 

[GuestFellow]

^ It is more of a nationalistic group. I don't think they have any interest in establishing the Sharia.