Yes Even Hawking is a dirty old perv.

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Am I the only one who doesn't find this particularly perverse? I think I've been living in the west too long :s
Plenty of people with different moral values partake in this sort of thing.
It is that they desensitize us everyday to things that should make us gasp. I think the more open and unapologetic they become the more normal it appears, but I assure you it isn't at least from a woman's perspective. On the lowest common denominator I pity that a woman takes such a job just to put food on the table for children probably had out of wedlock or from an abusive non-supportive dead beat husband and that men are enabling them to do so in the name of 'freedom' let alone men of position and science..

What a strange day so far... So I turn on the laptop. And for some reason, while i'm waiting for it to boot up, I get an image of Steven Hawkins ordering a *cough* service *cough*... I had a giggle to my self lol, then thought "naaaaa, not ole steven hawkins maaaaan, he'd never do that, right?"

Log onto IB and see this thread. (facepalm). Steven you dirty PERVERTED SICK MAN.

Strange when you think of a really random thing, and it presents itself minutes later in reality... I been having quite a few of these moments lately. Very weird.

Scimi
He's a run of the mill atheist I guess.. in lieu of sharing of his knowledge for good and instead of looking for the positive even in his own condition to which he survived remarkably long and thrived with brilliance when most folks with ALS perish within maximum five years. He chooses to be bitter, perverse and to actually perverse science to suit his own personal philosophies...

I think it is worth sharing personally.. and others are welcome not to feel the same way..

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Allah<3;1500713 said:
With all due respect, I did not talk ill about Michael Jackson. You should look up the word backbiting brother before condemning me

I did not condemn you. Please point out to me where I did that.
You are actually slandering me.

Great.

You were condemning all of us for talking about an enemy of Islam who ruined his own character in the public news, and yet you are slandering your own brother in Islam.

May Allah SWT forgive you.
 


I did not condemn you. Please point out to me where I did that.
You are actually slandering me.

Great.

You were condemning all of us for talking about an enemy of Islam who ruined his own character in the public news, and yet you are slandering your own brother in Islam.

May Allah SWT forgive you.

Take it how you want. Only Allah knows my intention. :sunny:
 
yeah, and pharaoh doesn't visit this forum either, plus he's a deceased person so why does the Quran talk about a dead man in a bad way and why do all these people say these negative things?
i mean, he isn't going to rectify his actions by us talking is he?
actually, we'll learn from it and learn to avoid these things. it's called 'ibrah.
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Indeed in that is a lesson for whoever would fear.


Quran 79:26

Am I the only one who doesn't find this particularly perverse? I think I've been living in the west too long

if you don't see evil for what it is and speak the truth, what about the people who think good of it?
soon they'll be teaching your kids that it's normal and possibly take them on a school trip to the local strip club to learn about "a day in the life of a stripper" along with interviews and Q&A sessions - not at opening times of course.
 
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Allah<3;1500688 said:
I have my own mind to begin with.

and it shows with your consistent trolling!
I do not ingratiating myself to any view without any support or evidence.
So you admit that you're ingratiating yourself?
My statements does not contradict each other, whatever you like it or not.
They do in both grammar and content-- go back and re-read!
Your original post displays your dismay with his actions, second posts displays your dismay with those who have pointed out his actions. That goes beyond inconsistency to frank hypocrisy--although we were trying to be polite by choosing a more palatable word to highlight the fact of the matter!
What he does is not your business.
Neither is it yours, least of which to comment on someone else's comments or are you too good to be true?
Are you the one who will judge him when he dies? Are you his mother? No, then mind your own business and be concern about your own life.
Is this your inner child speaking?

That is all.
Is it all? you keep popping like Waldo with everyone's best efforts to ignore you, you seem to be under the impression that it is a weakness on everyone's part!

Have a great day!
Thanks I am.. this has been great fun indeed!

best,
 
I was thinking about the issue of Hawkins seeing uhm... questionable women. And here's what came to mind. There are plenty of atheists out there who adhere to the same opinion as hawkins regarding the creation of the universe and the existence of God. The thing is, in my experience - not all atheists are the same. Some actually follow a moral code - hard as that is to believe, I have witnessed it with my own eyes. And now, here is an interesting thought. These atheists who actually have a shred of morality in their souls, should they find out that their hero (Dawkins) is a promiscuous prat, will feel quite let down by the man. Their prophet of heedlessness, just trumped his own agenda...

...This leads me to believe that some good may come of this. I mean, if the man that atheists love to quote, is dis-reputed in their own eyes, their resolve will weaken little by little, no?

It's happened before, it will happen again. My hope is that these atheists will feel let down enough, to actually look into a real faith. IMO, the only real faith left now, is Islam. Insha-Allah, they will find the way...

... granted, it will be a minority, but every revert who comes from an atheist background is an asset to the ummah. Especially in this day and age... the reasons why, are obvious.

Scimi
 


and it shows with your consistent trolling!
No comment.

So you admit that you're ingratiating yourself?

I am ingratiating with what Allah and the prophet(PBUH) said. Do not backbite people. Are you backbiting people? I let you judge for yourself.

They do in both grammar and content-- go back and re-read!
Your original post displays your dismay with his actions, second posts displays your dismay with those who have pointed out his actions. That goes beyond inconsistency to frank hypocrisy--although we were trying to be polite by choosing a more palatable word to highlight the fact of the matter!
Neither is it yours, least of which to comment on someone else's comments or are you too good to be true?

English is not my first language.
As far as I am concerned I stated that he will have his fun here which is compatibly with what Islam says, that non muslims will have their fun here and will eventually go back to Allah and be judged. And Islam says also you should not backbite both non-muslims and muslims. If you think that there is a contradiction and hypocrisy in my opnions then clearly your opnions are not inconsistens with Islam.

Is this your inner child speaking?

No comment.


Is it all? you keep popping like Waldo with everyone's best efforts to ignore you, you seem to be under the impression that it is a weakness on everyone's part!

No comment.

Thanks I am.. this has been great fun indeed!

Well, that is good. isnt it?
;D

best,

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Some actually follow a moral code - hard as that is to believe, I have witnessed it with my own eyes.

Simply false. Which moral code do they follow? That of Genghiz Khan's army? That of Hitler? That of evolution? Which one?
 
A moral code is something that someone picks up a little by little, thru influence bro CosmicPathos. Those influences vary - dependant on the path ones life takes them thru.

This is easy for me to understand... I mean, we know that there will be many people who are good in this world who will not enter Jannah. Simply having a good moral code of conduct does not guarantee someone heaven. We both know this.

Also, if moral code does not exist within atheists at all, then why is it that Allah chooses to give some of these atheists hidaya to accept Islam? Allah must have seen some good in them, some potential...

Scimi
 
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khyrkoum fi el jahalya khyrkoum fi il'Islam..

Abu Bakr (RA) hated to drink before he was Muslim, he hated to be intoxicated and lose control of his senses and he was the same with Islam Umar Ibn ilkhtaab was always firm and with a particular disposition and it was one of his great asset in Islam, same with khalid ibn ilwaleed and many others.. I know we tend to think of kaffirs as unmoving cedar trees but sob7an Allah, who would have thought that Umar ibn ilkhtaab would convert from his people back then?

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A moral code is something that someone picks up a little by little
I'd go so far to say it is innate and either refined through direction and religion or completely lost through decadence and atheism..
 
watch form 8:16... here is a scientist who didn't believe in religion, yet found the proof of Islam in the Quran...


CosmicPathos, you wrote "Simply false"... can you prove it?

Scimi
 
Assalamu-alaikum,

It saddens me to see fellow muslims try to justify that, which we are clearly warned against by Allah (subhanawatála) and His messenger (sallahu alaihi wasalam).

Please inform me which part of the following article is necessary for muslims to be informed of?

Perhaps read it again, and tell me what differentiates us from sleazy tabloids and gossip-columns??

Again, I will ask: Is this the way a MUSLIM conducts himself - by even entertaining the PRIVATE affairs of others - be they muslim or non-muslim.


Stephen Hawking may be confined to a wheelchair, but that doesn't seem to keep him from making the rounds. The celebrated astrophysicist is a regular at a sex club in California, according to media reports.
The 70-year-old, almost completely paralyzed by a neurological disorder known as motor neurone disease, frequents a San Bernadino "swinger's club" called Freedom Acres, a long-time member of the club told Radar Online.
"I have seen Stephen Hawking at the club more than a handful of times," the member told the celebrity site. "He arrives with an entourage of nurses and assistants. Last time I saw him, he was in the back 'play area' lying on a bed fully clothed with two naked women gyrating all over him."
Does Hawking really like lap dances? Not so fast, a University of Cambridge press officer told the Cambridge News.
"Lurid statements appeared on a website in America, but they are not true," Tim Holt told the paper. "This report is greatly exaggerated. He visited once a few years ago with friends while on a visit to California."
Twice divorced and the father of three, Hawking is director of research at the university's Center for Theoretical Cosmology and a well-known expert on black holes and the Big Bang. He earned worldwide fame with his 1988 best-seller "A Brief History of Time," though he made another big media bang last January when he called women "a complete mystery."
The center is "devoted to the development and testing of fundamental theories of the universe," according to its website.

And Freedom Acres? Its website calls it "one of the most dynamic and largest on premise Swinger club in the Los Angeles and Orange County with an active member list of couples and single ladies."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...lws-main-nb|dl7|sec1_lnk3&pLid=139267#s592662





We are stating the facts on the news not concocting them!


My dear sister, please understand that not everything we read on-line/ or the news are facts.

If this entire article was concocted - please tell me, how would you know?
Where you there to witness it......before deciding to spread such news to the rest of us?
And in the event that this story is false - do we realise that we are partaking in slandering a person? - WHY?.....Because he is an atheist?

Perhaps we forget that he lives in an unislamic state - where each man is free to his/ her beliefs - just as a muslim is, living in such a land.
Does Islam not call for tolerance towards each other, and teaches us that there is no compulsion in religion?
Do we expect tolerance towards us, yet we are not willing to treat others the same?



And his deeds and character are indeed of relevance as they often are when one mixes science with philosophy and presents his personal conviction as if an authority to lead the masses astray -- he doesn't seem ashamed of his actions why should we be ashamed for him? Google fatwas do nothing for me in that regard or generally!

Sister, this is called justifying our actions of gheebat.
Please read my 2nd post here - referring to back-biting about non-muslims.......this is not a 'Google fatwa', but that of a very respectable scholar in this field - Mufti Ebrahim Desai (Askimam.org) - if we cannot respect the advices of even those who are far more knowledgable than us in this field, then this is truly sad.



To all here - I dont think its very difficult to understand this:

If we are speaking negatively about someone (e.g President Baashir, Ghadaffi, etc etc) - with the intention of protecting others from HARM, or to protect and defend this DEEN - then Alhamdulillah - this is our duty.

Im afraid the supposed bedroom secrets of others do not fall into this category - no matter how much we wish to justify it.

If this were so,should we perhaps start threads about the intimate lives and indiscretions of Tom Cruise (who promotes Scientology) or Oprah (who promotes everything that goes against Islam), etc. We can develop just as many reasons why this may seem justifiable....

And, i will repeat this blessed ayat:

“O you who believe!

Avoid much suspicion, in deeds some suspicions are sins.

And spy not neither backbite one another.

Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful”
(Al-Hujuraat 49: 12)


You're welcome not to partake in this thread- I myself try to skip out on the cat and other social threads as I feel them of no relevance on an Islamic forum

Im sorry sister - this is an Islamic forum......and many here are expecting conversations to be held bearing our Quraan and Sunnah in mind.
There should be no reason, not to partake in threads if the above is respected by all, insha Allah.


Im not sure what is sadder - to see muslims engaged in heedless back-biting on an islamic forum.......or to see them trying to defend such actions.

May Allah guide us all.
Ameen


Salaam
 
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Assalamu-alaikum,

It saddens me
Wa3lykoum aslaam wr wb

I am sorry you're sad, but as stated you don't have to partake in this thread. I don't partake in ones that I feel don't suit me!
I have nothing further on the matter that I wish to impart as everything written by myself and most other members on this thread has been sufficient to explain our position and further reading on folks during the day of the prophet even spying on those whom they considered the dajjal of their time happened so I suggest you familiarize yourself with when a particular ruling is dispensed and for what purpose!
The only thing I will comment on is that said news didn't come from the tabloids, rather the H post, so it isn't speculative it is fact which his own spokesperson confirmed.

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CosmicPathos, you wrote "Simply false"... can you prove it?

prove what? its up to the atheists to prove that they have any morals which do not keep on changing with evolving genes and evolving neurons. mine is the default null position.

Just about 200 years ago, if I married a 14 year old woman, it would be acceptable. Today it wont. I dont call this well grounded "morality." If the atheist says that well it damages a 14 year old girl as modern science has disocvered so we have moved away from such behaviors, well that is surprising, we should have ended up with epidemic levels of 14 year old sicks in hospitals over the last 200 years! Or that 30 yos should not be getting "damaged" from pregnancies either.

and btw, ban cars already, why are my lungs being punished for the conveinence of atheist drivers?
 
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Salaam,

This is his private life. It is none of our business. Since it is brought to public attention, as Muslims, we can agree that his conduct was not appropriate. Keep in mind, it must be difficult to live with his condition, so I do have sympathy for him and I'm not sure if this is true. May Allah guide him.

I would like to add, we are no position to judge anyone. If we had money, power and influence, there is a strong possibility we can find ourselves in committing haraam activities.
 
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I would like to add, we are no position to judge anyone. If we had money, power and influence, there is a strong possibility we can find ourselves in committing haraam activities.

Maaan, this is soo true... I remember what life was like when I was minted (facepalm). I'm better off skint. And am skint right now, suffering nicotine withdrawal.. not nice, but necessary. A real test of patience, a battle which I am currently losing. Gah.



prove what? its up to the atheists to prove that they have any morals which do not keep on changing with evolving genes and evolving neurons. mine is the default null position.

Just about 200 years ago, if I married a 14 year old woman, it would be acceptable. Today it wont. I dont call this well grounded "morality." If the atheist says that well it damages a 14 year old girl as modern science has disocvered so we have moved away from such behaviors, well that is surprising, we should have ended up with epidemic levels of 14 year old sicks in hospitals over the last 200 years! Or that 30 yos should not be getting "damaged" from pregnancies either.

I'm really not sure how the above pertains to morality? It's a belief, a scientific/medical belief. Morality = I will not lie because it is against my morals... etc etc...

I mean, don't get me wrong bro CosmicPathos, but the atheists can say the same about us, by your definition. For example: "You Muslims call yourself faithful but i see you in pubs drinking alcohol all the time"... is this reflective of the whole ummah? No bro, same way the atheist example of morality I gave you, is not reflective of the atheists in general - but is on an individual basis.

Please don't mind me playing advocate here, I just want to clear up a confusion using examples we are all familiar with.

and btw, ban cars already, why are my lungs being punished for the conveinence of atheist drivers?

;D that got me a giggle.

Scimi
 
Imagine if one of his family members caught him, then he says, in his perfect Stephen Hawking (TM) Voice Generator:

LIKE THE SURFACE OF THE SUN AND THE DARK MATTER BETWEEN THE STARS, THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
 
Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah, verily, Allah is the one who accepts repentance, Most Merciful” (Al-Hujuraat 49: 12)

Sister Zaria

With all due respect ukhti, the verses prohibiting backbiting are for believers against believers. I am not saying it's right to concern ourselves with the ill conduct of non muslims. But we should also take the verses in context for what they were revealed. Talking ill of someone who doesn't even believe Allah exists is not in the same category as talking about a believer.



Are you the one who will judge him when he dies? Are you his mother? No, then mind your own business and be concern about your own life.

Brother Allah <3

It's good you are fulfilling your responsibility, but that can be done without harsh and personal remarks such as 'Are you his mother? No, then mind your own business and be concern about your own life.' To me that just goes to undo any good you think you did. It just proves that none of us are better than the other. But however we are, we are whole lot better than any disbeliever on the face of the earth. So I think everyone concerned needs to stop this for the sake of Allah now as it's not something that's pleasing to Allah either.
 

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