Yes Even Hawking is a dirty old perv.

[CosmicPathos]

I'm really not sure how the above pertains to morality? It's a belief, a scientific/medical belief. Morality = I will not lie because it is against my morals... etc etc...

salam.

yes its a "medical" issue but is not science the only way via which atheists claim to derive their moralities?

btw, if you are interested, 10000 years ago, there was no discrepancy between age of puberty and age of psychological maturity. The gap has only widened in the last few centuries, thanks to industrialization.

as for atheists pointing to drunkard Muslims, the matter is clear, we can always point them to our quran and say it is forbidden. So we have an unchanging moral framework to worldviews.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Imagine if one of his family members caught him, then he says, in his perfect Stephen Hawking (TM) Voice Generator:

LIKE THE SURFACE OF THE SUN AND THE DARK MATTER BETWEEN THE STARS, THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

or maybe

"Never let curiosity die, and you'll find answers in my upcoming book "Stephen and the Mysterious Mistresses" about how women create themselves."

 

[Scimitar]

salam.

yes its a "medical" issue but is not science the only way via which atheists claim to derive their moralities?

Not in my experience... I know quite a few atheists, and despite them choosing not to believe in a God, they respect my Islam, and hold me in high regard because of it. If they weren't moral beings, how could they appreciate something they themselves don't adhere to? I hear atheists say things like "live and let live" and whereas I've heard some Christians say "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth", you see whrere I'm going with this? Ok, i'll stop.

btw, if you are interested, 10000 years ago, there was no discrepancy between age of puberty and age of psychological maturity. The gap has only widened in the last few centuries, thanks to industrialization.

I agree with this.

as for atheists pointing to drunkard Muslims, the matter is clear, we can always point them to our quran and say it is forbidden. So we have an unchanging moral framework to worldviews.

That just sounds hypocritical and escapist to me, not to mention a mute point since they're the ones who point out that muslims do drink in pubs - surely the atheists know its forbidden for us to drink. Even if I was to quote al Quran, It doesnt change the fact that Muslims do actually drink... All I can do is say to the athiest who claims this is - "fair play, you have a point, but bad apples exist in all groups, including your own, right?".

Good apples exist too though, that's my point :statisfie

Scimi

 

[GuestFellow]

Atheists do have morals. Some are pro life, others are against the death penalty, some are against war in Iraq and so on. Everyone has an idea of what is right and wrong.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Atheists do have morals. Some are pro life, others are against the death penalty, some are against war in Iraq and so on. Everyone has an idea of what is right and wrong.

of course they'd have some tid bits of "good" morals from here and there, otherwise how can they save face in the larger civil society?

My point was not that they dont have morals at all, point was whatever morals they have, they are subjective, mutable, and I cannot take their word for it, since they are as right as a psycho on a murdering rampage, in the absence of God.

for example, the most active atheist on this board you-know-who talks against Harper but at the same time he supports niqab-ban policy of Harper-govt.

 

[Scimitar]

Hmm, good point.

In response to that, i would have to mention that some Muslims on other forums tend to beleive that evolution is possible, probable even - despite the fact that man descended from Adam AS....

It's just a matter of understanding something in its correct context really. Once said atheist member can understand the hypocrisy of his statement, he may decide to correct that.

I know a Muslim who did the same.

Scimi