Yikes, Non Muslims have invaded the Boards.

[buddy1]

Ahhh woodrow another refreshing thread from you! As you all may or may not know, im a non muslim, my children however are. I have never once felt uncomfortable in this forum! I love it hear, ok so i go for a couple of months without visiting but thats down to my 100mph life nothing you lot have said or done! I love you guys! Haha x

 

[Woodrow]

what good would that do to assert the presence of the ignorant who desire to run amok like street rats, vulgar and perpetuating false rumors while extricating themselves from wrong doing without having to pay a visit to a psychiatrist to purge their souls of their hatred for some payments? The 'dignified' approach is no style for the kuffar.. they prefer their all too frequent carpet bombing, and pretty soon would like a board of this caliber to preserve their linear existence!


there is no point extending ourselves to folks who simply don't deserve any form of hospitality.. if they don't like it here, they don't have to be members here!

Ukhti,

It helps in several ways to report a post instead of replying to it..

1. It eliminates the likelihood of any action being the decision of one person.

2. It brings the post to the attention of the mods. Not all threads and poosts are read. Often times we will not even know something offensive has been posted until after it is reported.

3. If members can resist replying to the threads it reduces any need to justify any replies that may have been made out of anger.

4. It keeps the thread from being derailed beyond repair.

5. It makes it easier for the mods to act with fairness and not out of desire to pacify any members.

6. It also removes any sense of accomplishment an offensive poster may briefly enjoy. They usually get evaporated with no fanfare or chance at gaining any supporters.

 

[جوري]

Ukhti,

It helps in several ways to report a post instead of replying to it..

1. It eliminates the likelihood of any action being the decision of one person.

2. It brings the post to the attention of the mods. Not all threads and poosts are read. Often times we will not even know something offensive has been posted until after it is reported.

3. If members can resist replying to the threads it reduces any need to justify any replies that may have been made out of anger.

4. It keeps the thread from being derailed beyond repair.

5. It makes it easier for the mods to act with fairness and not out of desire to pacify any members.

6. It also removes any sense of accomplishment an offensive poster may briefly enjoy. They usually get evaporated with no fanfare or chance at gaining any supporters.

agreed, then why does that fellow's diatribe still remain posted?.. I didn't report it nor did I reply to it since I see no purpose of dignifying ranting fulminations with a response but certainly I think the forum is very allowing toward some members, and it drives the Muslims away..which I think detracts from the purpose of an Islamic forum..

Jadal is indeed mentioned in the Quran as a great sin.. to waste years on end in constant Jadal coaxing and handling with kid glove certain people in my humble opinion is an utter waste and a misuse of a Muslim's time..

 

[Banu_Hashim]

I think the forum has done a good job to moderate and look after those who are not Muslim .

But, we must remember this is an Islamic forum first and foremost and the promotion and discussion of Islam and Muslims and da'wah are our primary aim to ultimately better ourselves as Muslims and to do everything fee sabeel lillah. The questioning of Islam, while for non-Muslims is an important step to learning about the deen, I think it's better to give them authentic information from Islamic sources rather than debating with them using their often illogical resoning as seems to be the case with a lot of threads recently and we get no where with those threads!

 

[Banu_Hashim]

double post...

 

[glo]

Overall I think the greatest improvement would be if all of us learn to resist the tempation of personal comments directed towards the persona of those we get angry at.

We are people, we are not going to like every member here. we will all see somebody we find irritating. The key is for us to learn to attack the statements and not the person making the statements. a very difficult task sometimes and one that requires much patience and an understanding of fair fighting. It is an area we all fail in on occasion.

Woodrow made this comment in the first half of this thread.
In the second half we find a demonstration of exactly that which he advised us against. :hmm:

This forum should be a peaceful environment in which we can feel safe, relaxed and amongst friends. (And friends does not just mean people we always and every time agree with. We can have disagreements with people and still remain friendly.)

We all desire to be treated with respect and politeness. Why do some of us find it so hard to extend the same to other posters?
"Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is quite a simple and universal principle really. It means that you should treat others in the same manner in which you would like to be treated - NOT that you demand to be treated one way, but treat others quite differently yourself!

I detect some real bitterness, anger and hurt in some posts - feelings so deep it may be very difficult to deal with them in a forum environment such as this.
Is there no way we can forgive each others' faults and weaknesses, and look for the good in each other?
Is there no way we can walk away from conflict, and make a new start?

 

[Woodrow]

agreed, then why does that fellow's diatribe still remain posted?.. I didn't report it nor did I reply to it since I see no purpose of dignifying ranting fulminations with a response but certainly I think the forum is very allowing toward some members, and it drives the Muslims away..which I think detracts from the purpose of an Islamic forum..

Jadal is indeed mentioned in the Quran as a great sin.. to waste years on end in constant Jadal coaxing and handling with kid glove certain people in my humble opinion is an utter waste and a misuse of a Muslim's time..

That is all true and I do agree with you fully on this. However, our actions or inactions towards blatantly offensive members, is not always addressed for the purpose or anticipation of changing them. Sometimes, in fact quite often the actions are done for what we believe to be for the best interest of all members. We also do our best to be certain that any actions are not based simply on the opinions or descretions of any one mod, but rather only after consultation with other mods and admins. This is not always possible such as in cases where it is obvious immediate action must be taken.

Sometimes we can be very slow in deciding what is the best action to take. Other times drivel does remain on a thread much too long, but if we do make an error we do our best that the error be on the side of caution. Far better to be overly cautious in rendering action, than to render actions prematurly.

We do try to go through the most active threads reasonably often and trim out the non-constructive posts. This is only noticeable when a number of posts are deleted simultaneously as is going to happen in this thread within the next few minutes..

 

[titus]

Is there no way we can forgive each others' faults and weaknesses, and look for the good in each other?
Is there no way we can walk away from conflict, and make a new start?

I am more than willing to be the first to extend an olive branch.

Skye, I will refrain from any negative personal comments about you if you are willing to reciprocate. Hopefully we can start fresh and our future dialogues will be more congenial.

 

[Pygoscelis]

This thread started with the question of whether we non-muslims feel things are fair and even handed here. It has ended with a demonstration that they are not. Hostility and personal insults are clearly more tolerated against the kafir than against the muslim. With that said I do hope that Titus' olive branch is finally accepted and we can have civil discussion with all members here.

 

[aamirsaab]

I'm all for civilised discussion btw. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Grace Seeker]

I wonder if it is appropriate to have the same expectations in the "Discover Islam" section -- which by its name is all about learning about Islam -- and the "Comparative religion" section -- which by its name is going to include learning about other religions? Or....perhaps there needs to be yet another section added such as "Islamic apologetics" then there could be discrimination between those who want to focus more on debate and "proving" non-Islamic faiths in error and those who want to learn what it actually is that non-Islamic faiths believe and teach. There are so many different agendas (even among Mulsims members) by those who participate in the comparative threads, that there is little wonder harmony has a hard time prevailing.

 

[جوري]

I am more than willing to be the first to extend an olive branch.

Skye, I will refrain from any negative personal comments about you if you are willing to reciprocate. Hopefully we can start fresh and our future dialogues will be more congenial.

I have not been at war with that is something you have created in your own mind, I know there is a lot of you ready to pounce on any sentiment and offer it your own prolegomenon and unnecessary interpretation to make a non-point and turn around from the instigators to the victims. I have no desire nor the time to descend into word play and cater to someone's wiles or tantrums and frankly I am not nor have been emotionally invested in the members here to create an issue or remedy an issue-- a civilized discussion is more than welcome.. I do wonder how many of you are capable of it though when you don't perceive your inferences about others as offensive!

all the best

 

[Pygoscelis]

The irony is pretty thick right there.

 

[جوري]

It is a wonder indeed!

 

[Grace Seeker]

The irony is pretty thick right there.

What do you find so ironic? My guess...these two statements being part of the same post:

I have not been at war with that is something you have created in your own mind,

Whoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Me, I shall be at war with him.

Or, was it the following two statements juxtaposed to one another:

a civilized discussion is more than welcome.

I do wonder how many of you are capable of it though

 

[Templar]

An interesting and worthwhile thread. I'm glad I've read it.

 

[جوري]

What do you find so ironic? My guess...these two statements being part of the same post:

Or, was it the following two statements juxtaposed to one another:

Do you take me for God? the communication and thought processes of the members here is truly a modern wonder!

all the best

 

[Grace Seeker]

Do you take me for God? the communication and thought processes of the members here is truly a modern wonder!

all the best

No. But I do anticipate that what a person puts in his/her signature to be representative of their own point of view. That which you quoted included an attitude of being at war. If you want to distance yourself from that attitue, why would you quote it? Why not just pick the quote up at the next sentence?

What one choses to include or not include in such signature lines, I believe, tell us something about that person.

 

[جوري]

No. But I do anticipate that what a person puts in his/her signature to be representative of their own point of view. That which you quoted included an attitude of being at war. If you want to distance yourself from that attitue, why would you quote it? Why not just pick the quote up at the next sentence?

What one choses to include or not include in such signature lines, I believe, tell us something about that person.

Actually what I have quoted is a hadith Qudsi about the importance of nawafil.. I understand that the depth of Islamic prudence, fundamentals pose you a great challenge -- so why take it the extra step and comment on supernumerary duties then with the same level of superficiality tie it together to an unrelated post? If you are having problems with the religion of Islam and its tenets which would include such things as Quran and Ahadith as you have demonstrated so far with your comments, then maybe this is the wrong sort of hangout for you? I am not going to discard a hadith Qudsi which means a great deal to every Muslim to cater to your personal likes or to that of an atheist who knows only the joys of having the last word!

Prime example of instigators playing the victim.. thank you for demonstrating that beautifully!

all the best

 

[Insaanah]

No. But I do anticipate that what a person puts in his/her signature to be representative of their own point of view. That which you quoted included an attitude of being at war. If you want to distance yourself from that attitue, why would you quote it? Why not just pick the quote up at the next sentence?

Peace, Grace Seeker.

Sister τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ's signature consists of a Hadeeth Qudsi, which are the words of Allah. The hadeeth is about supererogatory acts of worship, performed for His sake. Allah starts by saying that He shall be at war with whosoever shows enmity to someone devoted to Him.

You may not realise, but when we quote hadeeths, we do not just pick the bits we like and leave out those think someone else may not like. That is the beginning of a slippery slope. We always quote the full hadeeth, with reference where possible.

This hadeeth is full of beautiful and comforting words from our Lord.

If you want to distance yourself from that attitue, why would you quote it?

Firstly, Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, does not have an attitude. He is stating his position in respect of those who have enmity to those devoted to Him.

Secondly, none of us will ever distance ourselves from the words of our Lord.

Thirdly, I think most of us would be happy to quote any words of Allahs, in fact we could never quote enough.

What one choses to include or not include in such signature lines, I believe, tell us something about that person.

If that is what you believe, then it tells you that the person is striving to get to that stage when Allah loves them that much.

May Allah make us from amongst them. Ameen.

Peace.