Younger Muslims 'radical' - heated debate

[Dawud_uk]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

assalaamu alaykum,

i dont like going on media coverage so i am reading the full report.

the first thing we must realise is this was written by those who consider themselves as moderate secular muslims. they believe what they are upon is the truth though they bring no daleel for it from what i have read.

but the truth is they are calling muslims away from what they see as extremism and towards kufr, they would make us all into disbelievers by denying the shariah being superior over man made law and many other matters such as this.

so although they are sincere, they are calling towards disbelief and need to be stopped by speaking out against this evil idiology of muslim secularism.

fortunetely...
such people are losing. the muslims are practicing more, each generation getting stronger and from my imput into my local masjid i would say the next generation is even more practicing than this one and so on and so on.

the attempts to force muslims to live their lives like the kuffar are only having the opposite effect of driving muslims towards islam as such lives are legitimised in the eyes of the youth by being not only against their cultural parents but also against the state and its oppression of muslims, the very fact of putting on hijab or growing a beard and praying our salaat is in a way a big middle finger towards tony blair and those who are attacking islam.

it is like saying, as much as you beat us on the battle field, we are beating you in our hearts and returning to Allah and the way he gave us in Islam.

so i cannot see any way the kuffar and their secular muslim allies can change islam to something they want it to be now, i think the only thing that would slow it even is if they stopped acting against it and stopped speaking about it totally.

so really this leaves the non muslims with two uncomfortable choices.

1. accept the future of britain contains islam in it, all likely hood a majority muslim state where the muslims take increasing influence and this will inevitably impact and change the nations of britain forever.

2. mass expulsions and possible genocide.

i would obviously prefer they pick option one, but i am not willing to change islam to please any man, and as we see from the survey's in the report increasingly young muslims are feeling the same way so really for the non muslims it is option 1 or 2 in the west and uk in particular.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

so im guessing if your not a hypocrite and pick n mix muslim then your a radical :?

 

[Woodrow]

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so im guessing if your not a hypocrite and pick n mix muslim then your a radical :?

That is probably correct. Radical simply means choosing one end or the other. An extreme pacifist is as much of a radical as an extreme activist. Radical does not equate with bad or wrong.

 

[Idris]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

Fundamental Islam
Radical Muslims
Orthodox Muslims
Moderate Muslims
Traditional Islam


These words and many more are foreign to Islam.
You are a Muslim ....or your not. They are trying to use old methods like divide and conquer or give everyone a name or label. But in the end the last word is always Muslims or Islam.

 

[Woodrow]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

True and that is all we need be concerned about

 

[Bittersteel]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6311639.stm
I guess they want more and more Muslim women having jobs and marrying Non-Muslims so that the 'disaster' of Britain having a large number of Muslims could be avoided.
This policy isn't for British Muslims only;it goes for certain aid recipient Muslim countries too.all in all the world wantus to be from 1 billion to somesomething like 500 or 700 million.
remember there's always a strength in numbers.

I heard this "Young Muslims are Radical" two years ago.whats so new about this?I disagree with Dawud that Britain is likely to become a Muslim majority state;but I agree with him that Brits should expel Muslims if they can't put up with their faithfulness to their religion.

 

[Dawud_uk]

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6311639.stm
I guess they want more and more Muslim women having jobs and marrying Non-Muslims so that the 'disaster' of Britain having a large number of Muslims could be avoided.
This policy isn't for British Muslims only;it goes for certain aid recipient Muslim countries too.all in all the world wantus to be from 1 billion to somesomething like 500 or 700 million.
remember there's always a strength in numbers.

I heard this "Young Muslims are Radical" two years ago.whats so new about this?I disagree with Dawud that Britain is likely to become a Muslim majority state;but I agree with him that Brits should expel Muslims if they can't put up with their faithfulness to their religion.

the stats are there for all to see, muslim families are having about 4 kids each family, the non muslims only about 1.2 or 1.3 per family, think about that?

the consequences are obvious.

but to me numbers dont matter that much or only marginally, how many states with muslim majorities are run upon cultural nationalistic lines and not in accordance with shariah?

so we dont just need width but depth of believers also, so this is why this report is actually good news.

the more i read of it the happier i get as it shows the true muslims are winning out and those who would sell their deen are losing.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[SATalha]

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If you mean radical in the sense that the basics of Islam is being teached....than yes youngsters hear are being radicalised but only with the basic of our way of life. Like the 5 pillars and its benefits or basic fiqh and the biography of the prophets life. If that is becomming "radicalised" than yes they are. This is happning to the young brothers and sisters they are learning the basics of their religion and if you call that becomming "radicalised" than it is. Is learning Hadith a for of radicalisation? or islamic law? Never have i heard in my town the preaching of blowing up civilians and going to fight jihad. Instaed the actual meaning of the word is taught: Jihad- strive for allah.

For us muslims in Britain it is not the time for physical jihad, we have so much to do in our own community. At the moment the drug problem is escalating, just a few weeks ago my area friend overdosed and died. Plus we have so much learning to do as well, compared to other people's knowledge we are like grains of rice.

 

[Bittersteel]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

I am happy Britain is facing such a problem.From the Islamic World's point of view(or mine) ,Britain facing problems at home and getting her navy halved is better than a prosperous Britain ,meddling in the internal affairs of Muslim countries.

 

[SATalha]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

I am happy Britain is facing such a problem.From the Islamic World's point of view(or mine) ,Britain facing problems at home and getting her navy halved is better than a prosperous Britain ,meddling in the internal affairs of Muslim countries.

Bro all i am intrested in is learning about the deen, nothing more and nothing less. The plight of the Ummah is always in my mind and my dwa is always with them. But we need to teach and change things in our own community. The Bengali community mashallah is doing so much for Islam (just look at the LMC) I also know that our Pakistani brothers further east are doing many great things in the community. But iam sure that our Pakistani and other brothers and sisters will agree that the drug issue is a big problem. If you ask me we need to round up all these idiot dealers and than do what the English did..... send them to Australia. :shade: it will be nice and sunny for them. Hope they rot.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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i approached quite a few brothers and suggested that we give da'wah to the street hoodlums but for some reason every brother thinks theres no point because they wont listen, i still want to try, just dont want to do it on my own !

 

[SATalha]

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Yes bro thats what we need, brothers on the streets preaching with a soft heart to the hoodlems. I can do it in my area coz most of the young ones knwo me. But this needs to be conducted on a wide scale.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

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Yes bro thats what we need, brothers on the streets preaching with a soft heart to the hoodlems. I can do it in my area coz most of the young ones knwo me. But this needs to be conducted on a wide scale.

most of the young ones in my area are non-muslims, hardly ever see muslim kids on the streets otherwise i would have talked to them. The only thing i can think is to go to other peoples ends but it'll be harder.

 

[SATalha]

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Oh bro i understand. However I still think that if you talk to the hoodlems about maybe changing their behaviour than it will benefit them. Just teaching them simple thing like manners, repect for the elders and other things. It doesnt have to be Islamic, just general manners. The local people will be pleased if they see reduction in anti-social behaviour. Remember making your Neighbour happy is a important teaching in Islam.

 

[Snowflake]

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England;640539]29 January 2007
YOUNGER MUSLIMS 'RADICAL'
GROWING numbers of young British muslims are embracing radical Islam, a new poll shows.

I'd say younger muslims are embracing real Islam. Free from the cultural traditions of our parents and grandparents. Compared to the older generations practice of islam, it might appear to be radical. But it isn't. This is REAL Islam.

Those aged between 16 and 24 feel they have less in common with non-muslims than their parents.

Naturally. If we take out cultural practices which echo those of non muslims, then we'd sure have less in common with non muslims. This is great news mashaAllah.

 

[SATalha]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

I'd say younger muslims are embracing real Islam. Free from the cultural traditions of our parents and grandparents. Compared to the older generations practice of islam, it might appear to be radical. But it isn't. This is REAL Islam.



Naturally. If we take out cultural practices which echo those of non muslims, then we'd sure have less in common with non muslims. This is great news mashaAllah.

Yep this is true the cultural baggage is being dumped for the real Islam! :hiding: Thats what i think about culture!!!!

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Re: Younger Muslims 'radical'

Fundamental Islam
Radical Muslims
Orthodox Muslims
Moderate Muslims
Traditional Islam


These words and many more are foreign to Islam.
You are a Muslim ....or your not. They are trying to use old methods like divide and conquer or give everyone a name or label. But in the end the last word is always Muslims or Islam.

:thumbs_up

Its 2007, catch up with the new trends in Vocabulary.

Radical = Orthodox

EXAMPLE: Man, look at that radical rabbi. He's got the long beard, and the ya'ma'ka, and the robe, and the hat -- man, lets call Homeland Security, he's gonna bomb that Synagogue!! :rant:

^^ LOL thats funny ;D

 

[Bittersteel]

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The Bengali community mashallah is doing so much for Islam

and the Bangladeshi Muslim community in Bangladesh is trying to get rid of Islam from the face of Bangladesh politics.they say politics in the name of religion is haram.they are supported by the European envoys,the British one especially.You can see why I am so happy.I hope the Young Muslims Radicals causes serious agitation.
our culture changed but I want the judicial laws and social laws to be more hardcore than like those of the English common laws.

 

[Skillganon]

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and the Bangladeshi Muslim community in Bangladesh is trying to get rid of Islam from the face of Bangladesh politics.they say politics in the name of religion is haram.they are supported by the European envoys,the British one especially.You can see why I am so happy.I hope the Young Muslims Radicals causes serious agitation.
our culture changed but I want the judicial laws and social laws to be more hardcore than like those of the English common laws.

I noticed that.
Is it mainly the Awami League or does both Awami league and BNP have something to do with it.

They are completely wrong, to say Islam should not rule governance, because Islam encompasses everything. This is why we say "La illaha Ilallah, muhammadur russolah"

Actually it is Harram to have a man-made law than the Law of Allah(s,w,t) or to support and propogate kuffar causes.
So whoever is saying that "politics should be devoid of Islam are wrong". Don't they believe in Allah(s.w.t) do yo think you will be left alone saying "I believe and will not be tested?"

So muslims in position of power who are not stiving towards Allah(s.w.t) not trying to bring about Islam i.e. the Shaiah e.t.c but rather oppose it actively or by words i.e. rejects it, than they are clearly in the wrong and amounts to kuffar (desbelief). No matter if the have a beard and pray in the mosque.

Yo cannot believe in one part and desbelieve in the other parts as this is the misguidance of the people of the old. Plenty of warning about that in the Quran.

 

[Bittersteel]

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the faith is weak in Bangladesh ,which was founded on secularism.actually many supporters of AL(secular party) tend to be religious.

Yo cannot believe in one part and desbelieve in the other parts as this is the misguidance of the people of the old.

Not only that Bangladeshis are reinterpreting Islamic laws.we are a donor recipient country,see?Our government haven't got much options but to accept the terms of the foreigners.
we will have Friday no longer as our holiday ,but Sunday.This Christianization of Bangladesh is worying.Obviously the upper class people call it modernization.