Your Opinion on Israel

[shuraimfan4lyf]

The Farthest Mosque (al Aqsa, Temple, mount Zion, etc) is mentioned in the Quran and is in Jerusalem




Thank you for this (I of course, respectfully reject any Hadith with regards to the future. I was merely asking for an Islamic point of view).

I know you will reject that, but since you asked what will happen if a Khilafa is to be reformed, and the answer was that. And you are welcome.

 

[Woodrow]

Where in the koran is it written that Palestine is only for muslims?
There is also, no mention of Jerusalem in the koran!

Who said Palestine is only for Muslims? Palestinians have been and continue to be a Nationality and not a religion. There are Muslim Palestinians, Jewish Palestinians, Christian Palestinians etc. Palestine should be for Palestinians not Zionist invaders.

Perhaps you can not find it in the Qur'an because you do not read Arabic or Hebrew. Al-Quds is the shortened Arabic name for Jerusalem derived from Bayt al-Muqaddas and it is virtually identical to the actual Hebrew name for Jerusalem which is Beit Ha-Mikdash. Actually Jerusalem is not mentioned in the English translation of the Qur'an and it need not be. It is mentioned in the Ahadeeth. To fully understand Islam you need to also have some knowledge of the Ahadeeth. While the Qu'ran is the Word of Allaah(swt) the Ahadeeth give us the guides as to how the Qu'ran was followed and what is to be followed by Muslims. Al-Quds came under Muslim rule in 638 AD to which which time it had been under Christian rule for nearly 400 years and Jews were forbidden to enter it until after Islamic rule was established. Orthodox Jews will not enter it as they believe a Jew is not to return to Beit Ha-Mikdash until the building of the 3rd temple. It is also the point from which Muhammad(PBUH) ascended to Heaven during "The Night Journey" This is mentioned in the Qu'ran in Surat: Al-Isra,It says Muhammad's(PBUH) Night Journey began at the Furthest Mosque, Muhammad(PBUH) in the Hadeeth tells us the furthest Mosque where he Ascended to heaven from is al-Aqsa in Al-Quds.

 

[Pygoscelis]

How do you know?

What's your solution?

(I would like any solution that solves this problem in a fair way)

My solution is to give them a common threat to band them together. I am sick of both Israel and Palestine. I would tell them that they have X years to make peace and get along or we destroy them both.

See now? You don't like my solution.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

My solution is to give them a common threat to band them together. I am sick of both Israel and Palestine. I would tell them that they have X years to make peace and get along or we destroy them both.

See now? You don't like my solution.

Who is "we"?? You have atheist army thats preparing for a operation If Palestinian and the Zionist dont negotiate? LOL..

 

[Woodrow]

My solution is to give them a common threat to band them together. I am sick of both Israel and Palestine. I would tell them that they have X years to make peace and get along or we destroy them both.

See now? You don't like my solution.

As much as I dislike your solution, I think I understand your logic behind it. But, it would only work if neither side was willing to die for what it believes. That threat would not strike any fear into the hearts of a Palestinian, death at the hands of a third party is an acceptable alternative to life under oppression.

 

[Argamemnon]

My solution is to give them a common threat to band them together. I am sick of both Israel and Palestine. I would tell them that they have X years to make peace and get along or we destroy them both.

See now? You don't like my solution.

The Palestinians are under occupation and complete Israeli domination. There is nothing they can do to achieve peace as long as Israel doesn't want and enjoys U.S. support.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Israel bombs Gaza in night raid wounding two seriously
Page last updated at 8:07 GMT, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 9:07 UK

The Israeli air force bombed a target in the north of Gaza and struck tunnels in the south, near the border with Egypt.

Palestinian medical sources told reporters that about 22 people had been injured, two seriously.

The attacks come a day after militants in Gaza fired mortars into Israel.

One of the seriously wounded Palestinians was 15, Palestinian medical sources said.

The Israeli Defense Forces confirmed the attacks in Beit Hanoun, east of Gaza City, and Rafah in the south.

"The tunnels were dug 1km from the security fence and were intended for infiltrating into Israel and executing terror attacks," a spokesman told the news agency Agence France Presse.

The attacks come just hours after a donkey cart carrying dynamite exploded on the border between Gaza and Israel.

The donkey was killed in the explosion, which was aimed at blowing a hole in the security fence.

Militants later fired two mortars into Israel, but there were no reported casualties.

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Barack Obama is to ask the US Congress for an extra $200m in military aid to help Israel get a short-range rocket defence system in place.
The system is designed to shoot down mortars and rockets from Gaza or Southern Lebanon with guided missiles.

The system, called Iron Dome, has gone through testing and installation will start later this year.

According to US State Department figures, direct military aid to Israel was $2.55bn in 2009.
This is set to increase to $3.15bn in 2018.

Easing tensions

A White House spokesman reaffirmed what he called the administration's "unshakeable commitment" to Israel's security - adding that Mr Obama recognised the threat posed by missiles and rockets fired by Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iron Dome was conceived and developed in Israel following the Lebanon war of 2006, during which Hezbollah launched about 4,000 rockets into northern Israel.

Southern Israel has also come under fire, with thousands of rockets and mortars fired by Palestinian militants.

Israel completed tests on the system in January. Officials say the next phase in its development is its integration into the Israeli army.

A BBC correspondent in Washington, Steve Kingstone, says Washington may be acting now to ease the recent tensions in its relations with Israel.

In March a diplomatic row erupted when approval was granted for new homes for Jews in occupied east Jerusalem. The decision came during a visit to the city by the US Vice-President Joe Biden.

The announcement on US funding for Iron Dome coincides with the resumption of indirect talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

 

[Woodrow]

Barack Obama is to ask the US Congress for an extra $200m in military aid to help Israel get a short-range rocket defence system in place.
The system is designed to shoot down mortars and rockets from Gaza or Southern Lebanon with guided missiles.

The system, called Iron Dome, has gone through testing and installation will start later this year.

According to US State Department figures, direct military aid to Israel was $2.55bn in 2009.
This is set to increase to $3.15bn in 2018.

Easing tensions

A White House spokesman reaffirmed what he called the administration's "unshakeable commitment" to Israel's security - adding that Mr Obama recognised the threat posed by missiles and rockets fired by Hamas and Hezbollah.

Iron Dome was conceived and developed in Israel following the Lebanon war of 2006, during which Hezbollah launched about 4,000 rockets into northern Israel.

Southern Israel has also come under fire, with thousands of rockets and mortars fired by Palestinian militants.

Israel completed tests on the system in January. Officials say the next phase in its development is its integration into the Israeli army.

A BBC correspondent in Washington, Steve Kingstone, says Washington may be acting now to ease the recent tensions in its relations with Israel.

In March a diplomatic row erupted when approval was granted for new homes for Jews in occupied east Jerusalem. The decision came during a visit to the city by the US Vice-President Joe Biden.

The announcement on US funding for Iron Dome coincides with the resumption of indirect talks between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

Israel is a very expensive puppy to feed. To those who desire to see the USA destroyed. Your dream will probably happen much faster than you imagine. I would not be surprised if it turns out to be Israel that destroys us as soon as it grows big enough to bite the hand that is feeding it. Greedy puppies grow up to be demanding dogs.

 

[aadil77]

As much as I dislike your solution, I think I understand your logic behind it. But, it would only work if neither side was willing to die for what it believes. That threat would not strike any fear into the hearts of a Palestinian, death at the hands of a third party is an acceptable alternative to life under oppression.

True, I would rather die than live oppressed, constantly degraded, humilated and treated like animals in a cage

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Israel is a very expensive puppy to feed. To those who desire to see the USA destroyed. Your dream will probably happen much faster than you imagine. I would not be surprised if it turns out to be Israel that destroys us as soon as it grows big enough to bite the hand that is feeding it. Greedy puppies grow up to be demanding dogs.

Lol that is really true. But I dont think Israel can do anything without US help, imagine if USA completlely leaves their support and sour their so called pathetic friendship. Israel will run around the world crying like a little beggar looking for money and support. I think USA will eventually stop supporting them, but not anytime soon.

 

[Woodrow]

Lol that is really true. But I dont think Israel can do anything without US help, imagine if USA completlely leaves their support and sour their so called pathetic friendship. Israel will run around the world crying like a little beggar looking for money and support. I think USA will eventually stop supporting them, but not anytime soon.

Very soon the USA will have no choice. Israel is fast becoming more powerful than the US. We will soon need aid from them if our economy keeps dropping.

srael produces more scientific papers per capita than any other nation by a large margin - 109 per 10,000 people -- as well as one of the highest per capita rates of patents filed.

In proportion to its population, Israel has the largest number of startup companies in the world. In absolute terms, Israel has the largest number of startup companies than any other country in the world, except the US (3,500 companies mostly in hi-tech).

Israel is ranked #2 in the world for venture capital funds right behind the US. Israel with
7 million people attracted $2 billion in venture capital in 2008, as much venture capital that flowed in the United Kingdom with 61 million people, and as much that flowed into Germany and France with 145 million people.


Outside the United States and Canada, Israel has the largest number of NASDAQ listed companies.

Israel has the highest average living standards in the Middle East. The per capita income in 2000 was over $17,500, exceeding that of the UK.

Now in terms of military power we are resonably certain Israel has a minimum of 200 nukes stock piled. What that means is they are the 3rd largest nuclear power in the world. While nukes are basically useless when in the hands of a sane person in the hands of a tyrant that has no qualms for using them, they eliminate the need for a large number of soldiers. One nuke can do more damage than the standing army of most nations. Nearly every country on earth can be destroyed with a single nuke.

Israel is quite powerful and it is stupid that we continue to support them. It is dumb to feed the dog that might kill your chickens.

All we are doing now is feeding them until they are big enough to think they can destroy us. Those rich, power hungry xxxx's should be sending aid to the US instead of expecting us to feed them. I personally know people right here in the USA that have been unemployed for their entire life, have to beg for or find food, have no utilities or health care and the USA government refuses to give them 1 penny in aid. Simply because they are living on the Pine Ridge Reservation.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Who is "we"?? You have atheist army thats preparing for a operation If Palestinian and the Zionist dont negotiate? LOL..

Yes, we are massing forces in Antarctica. Shh, don't tell anybody. Its a secret.

 

[Pygoscelis]

As much as I dislike your solution, I think I understand your logic behind it. But, it would only work if neither side was willing to die for what it believes. That threat would not strike any fear into the hearts of a Palestinian, death at the hands of a third party is an acceptable alternative to life under oppression.

Well either way works for me. I'd prefer they make peace in face of the common threat, but I'll accept them both ceasing to be, and then we can have peace in the region. Maybe give the land to Greenland or somebody like that, who'll truly appreciate and share it. ;D

Also keep in mind that Israel would also face this threat of outside extermination. It may prompt them to compromise in favor of the palestinians. The only way Greenland wins is if both sides are prepared to die instead of compromise.

 

[Woodrow]

Well either way works for me. I'd prefer they make peace in face of the common threat, but I'll accept them both ceasing to be, and then we can have peace in the region. Maybe give the land to Greenland or somebody like that, who'll truly appreciate and share it. ;D

Also keep in mind that Israel would also face this threat of outside extermination. It may prompt them to compromise in favor of the palestinians. The only way Greenland wins is if both sides are prepared to die instead of compromise.

One of my fears is that if Peace does not come to the region your scenario may come true, especially if a loose cannon dictator who doesn't give a hoot about either Muslims or Jews gains nuclear superiority. ie A lunatic gains control of China.

 

[Pygoscelis]

It could happen but I don't think in China. China is pretty stable (if a bit opressive).

 

[marwen]

It could happen but I don't think in China. China is pretty stable (if a bit opressive).

Ok Pygo, your solution looks interesting, but who will do it and for what reason. The country which will do it will at least lose part of his military forces to achieve that solution, so what is the outcome of such a war ? Peace ? who cares about peace?

 

[Woodrow]

It could happen but I don't think in China. China is pretty stable (if a bit opressive).

At the moment China is very stable. Oppressive yes, but not insane. But the door is open for the probability that it is only a matter of time before a egotistical maniac along the lines of Hitler or Stalin will take the reigns of control over a Super power Nation. Not necessarily China, China just came to mind because of their general lack of respect for human rights.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

The situation regarding jerusalem and palestian will not be solved until all the Muslims become united as there is no unity between Muslims countries at the moment as all their governments are being used by the westerns.

This is not exactly true as one has to understand what it is that prevents the Muslims to unite.

 

[Gabriel Ibn Yus]

The who is difficult to identify because it most likely is not a single entity, but rather separate greedy groups. some are stock holders in munition factories, some will be unsuspecting pawns who are being used. Others may be well planned bureaucrats lining their own pockets. If we are to give him a name it would be GREED and he will be found in the faces of greedy people who have no concern for the source of their wealth he crawls on his belly over the land of every nation. To kill this monster his source of money must end. Bring an end to the war profit and the war will end.

I do not know how to end it, I only know that each of us must not be a source of income for this monster.

Well. This is indeed a problem - as it makes the solution impractical.

I think that we have a rather problematic view on money which views money as evil.

This makes life too easy for us.

Money is not evil as it is with money that we buy tomatoes and rice in the store.

However, most people get less money than they should - because other people
take more than they should - without deserving it.

It is this people which are the problem. These people are not evil in the classical
sense of the word but are rather mis-educated.

They are miseducated because they have never received religious education.

However, they did not receive religious education because their parents did not give it
to them - and the reason the parents didn't give it to them is because they see religion as
violent.

So - its a loop.

It is up to religious people to take the responsibility and make sure that the next generation or
even this generation would receive a peaceful and complete religious education so that in the
future we could have peace.

Greed, like you say, could only be fought by the community with religion. Strong communities - strong
leadership - strong influence.