Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist (OP)
JAN M. OLSEN
Associated Press
February 13, 2008
COPENHAGEN -- Danish authorities arrested three people yesterday suspected of plotting a cartoonist's assassination for his depiction of the Prophet Mohammed wearing a bomb-shaped turban that enraged Muslims two years ago.
Three of Denmark's largest newspapers said they would reprint the cartoon today to show they would not be intimidated by fanatics. It was one of 12 Mohammed cartoons published in 2005 and then again in 2006 that led to protests in Muslim countries.
In the uproar that followed, Danes watched in disbelief as angry mobs burned their flag and attacked their country's embassies in Muslim countries including Syria, Iran and Lebanon. Danish products were boycotted in several Muslim countries.
Jyllands-Posten initially refused to apologize for the cartoons, which the newspaper said it published in reaction to perceived self-censorship among artists dealing with Islamic issues, but later said it regretted that the cartoons had offended Muslims.
Investigators said they foiled the assassination plot in its early stages in a predawn raid in the western Denmark city of Aarhus. The police intelligence agency, PET, said two Tunisians and a Danish citizen of Moroccan origin were arrested.
"The case shows that, unfortunately, there are in Denmark groups of extremists that do not accept and respect the basic principles on which the Danish democracy has been built," Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said.
Yesterday's arrests were meant "to prevent a terror-related assassination of one of the cartoonists behind the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed," PET chief Jakob Scharf said. Investigators believe the plot had not advanced far enough to try the suspects.
Chief Scharf said the 40-year-old Danish suspect faced a preliminary charge of violating a Danish terrorism law, but will likely be released after questioning. The two Tunisians will be expelled from Denmark, he said. He did not name the intended target, but Jyllands-Posten said it was the paper's cartoonist, Kurt Westergaard.
Mr. Westergaard, 73, drew one of the 12 Mohammed caricatures that were first published on Sept. 30, 2005, and then reprinted by other Western media early in 2006.
Why don't we hear more screaming and ranting when some Muslims choose to butcher our faith! When they make Islam and Muslims look like intolerant, uneducated barbarians!? Where is THAT outrage??!! Does any Muslim truly believe Prophet Muhammed, pbuh, would encourage that and behave that way?
Agreed !
although i must say, i hope the ones who contribute to the drawings are either guided or destroyed.
There im done!
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
although i must say, i hope the ones who contribute to the drawings are either guided or destroyed.
^ Aameen. May Allaah (SWT) reward you Brother, instead of coming with the same type of replies this thread has seen a million times already, you were the first to say this. Thank you!
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format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim
Agreed !
although i must say, i hope the ones who contribute to the drawings are either guided or destroyed.
There im done!
Absolutely agree with you, and either way, it will be as Allah, swt, wills, not as we will. How can we possibly know if the person attacked today would not have been our brother/sister tomorrow.
Excellent point, brother!
Wasalam,
Hana
"Whoever is deprived of gentleness is deprived of all good" (Sahîh Muslim, Sunan Abî Dawûd)
The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen, nor touched...but are felt in the heart.
-Helen Keller
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Talking is a whole another thing, but pictures speak differently.
If a picture of your mother screwing a man was printed on the front page of newspaper wouldnt you do something about it? If not then there is something wrong with you.
Concidering it was about my mother, I dont think Id have to do anything besides show support to her, she isnt exactly incapable of defending herself.
When have anyone insultued your daughters, sisters and mothers for dressing differently? It is in fact people like you have have insulted Islam and how muslim woman dress and in return some muslims critisize the way that woman dress in the west, but insult? Naah
What people find insulting varies from person to person.
After lurking here for over a year, the one thing that bothers me most are the negative stereotypes about decadent west and western women that are repeated over and over again, sometimes more, and sometimes less obvious. I personally find many of them to be very offensive and insulting.
Its like the danish cartoons, the original publisher see it as valid criticism of islam, while quite a few muslims seem to view it as grave insult.
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Its like the danish cartoons, the original publisher see it as valid criticism of islam, while quite a few muslims seem to view it as grave insult.
If it is a criticism that he made to point out that freedom of speech is important then he achieved what he wanted, but why do it again after more than a year? 17 newspapers in Denmark have printed the pictures on the frontpage, is that also criticism?
In Denmark you have freedom of speech but a just as important part of their law system is the blasphemy part! These cartoons brake their own laws yet they deffend it with others.
If a picture of my mother screwing a man was printed on the front page of a global newspaper I would take law into my own hands and deal with the printer myself, reality is though that my mother is nothing compared to the prophet....
What is the point of these cartoons! To make fun of the dearest person in every muslims life! A person deliberately creating conflicts and infernos between the west and the east while at the same time hurting over a billion muslims, should in my opinion be stopped, and if the government is not going to stop him someone or something else will. The question is how will he be stopped?
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Christians and Jews have never bin insulted in Denmark, only muslims have.
the only person found guilty of blashemy in Denamark was charged of anti-semitism.
Why is it mostly muslims who are insulted? Perhaps it is because they cause a lot of trouble? Or is it because they are the only ones to comit faith-related crimes?
They're immigrants, immigrants are a great insult material, they're different and above all, a lot of them seem to refuse to integrate into the danish society..
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I am pretty sure the Danes see freedom of speech as a core value. They are a secular country. Adherence to ideas of liberty are a unifying, communal understanding for their nation in just the same way that Muslims revere the Prophet.
That may seem silly to you all but clearly something has their hackels up if the cartoon is being republished.
If you want McCain to get elected...keep it up. If you want the Danes to purposely taunt you, keep it up. If you want right wing parties to come to power in France, keep it up. If you want controls over Muslims in europe keep it up. If you want to unite the West like they have never been united..keep it up.
Send some nutbar to kill that Dutch filmaker..that should help. Dont forget the Pope and Rushide (in no particular order)
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
the only person found guilty of blashemy in Denamark was charged of anti-semitism.
Yeah back in world war 2!?
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
Why is it mostly muslims who are insulted? Perhaps it is because they cause a lot of trouble? Or is it because they are the only ones to comit faith-related crimes?
They're immigrants, immigrants are a great insult material, they're different and above all, a lot of them seem to refuse to integrate into the danish society..
No because muslims are different! Most "christians" barely know anything about the Bible and the same with Jews while most muslims know their religion quite well. They cannot accept the Hijab that muslim woman wear!
They cannot accept the fact that muslim woman do not wear western clothes! They cannot accept the fact that muslim men do not handshake with woman! They cannot accept the fact that muslims only eat Halal meat, and the fact that they do not drink alcohol! And I could go on for ever
In order for muslims to be accepted by the danish they have to give up on their religion, muslims refuse to do so! If they cannot accept the fact that muslims will not give up on their religion, they might aswell just ban muslims from Denmark but they wont because they are afraid.
And besides that, 1/3-4 of Denmark are fascists so no wonder they hate muslims so much.
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
If it is a criticism that he made to point out that freedom of speech is important then he achieved what he wanted, but why do it again after more than a year? 17 newspapers in Denmark have printed the pictures on the frontpage, is that also criticism?
Who cares, Allah (swt) will deal with them accordingly
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
In Denmark you have freedom of speech but a just as important part of their law system is the blasphemy part! These cartoons brake their own laws yet they deffend it with others.
Who are you to judge according to Danish laws?
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
If a picture of my mother screwing a man was printed on the front page of a global newspaper I would take law into my own hands and deal with the printer myself, reality is though that my mother is nothing compared to the prophet....
The continued "screwing mother" phrase suggests some freudian issues.... Pornography is a different issue anyways
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
What is the point of these cartoons! To make fun of the dearest person in every muslims life! A person deliberately creating conflicts and infernos between the west and the east while at the same time hurting over a billion muslims, should in my opinion be stopped, and if the government is not going to stop him someone or something else will. The question is how will he be stopped?
The point of them is to get Muslim fired up and to react in a way to justify their beliefs... Last time many Muslims fell into this trap... Get me once, shame on you, get me twice shame on me
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by Suomipoika
Im not really sure I agree there with you.
Because I see this sentiment as pretty big benefit.
Rising above a taunt is not a benefit of freedom of speech. It is a reaction. A benefit would be say a decrease in injustice. Since, however, you yourself posted that many danish people have been slandered as a result of the cartoons being published, it is quite clear that that particular act of freedom of speech did not benefit in anyway - the only ones who have benefited psychosocially at least, are those who shout out paki or various other racist remarks, because now they have a get-out card: ''freedom of speech''.
Pssha, freedom to act like tosser more like.
Someone said to the Prophet, "Pray to God against the idolaters and curse them." The Prophet replied, "I have been sent to show mercy and have not been sent to curse." (Muslim)
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by krypton6
Yeah back in world war 2!?
No because muslims are different! Most "christians" barely know anything about the Bible and the same with Jews while most muslims know their religion quite well. They cannot accept the Hijab that muslim woman wear!
They cannot accept the fact that muslim woman do not wear western clothes! They cannot accept the fact that muslim men do not handshake with woman! They cannot accept the fact that muslims only eat Halal meat, and the fact that they do not drink alcohol! And I could go on for ever
In order for muslims to be accepted by the danish they have to give up on their religion, muslims refuse to do so! If they cannot accept the fact that muslims will not give up on their religion, they might aswell just ban muslims from Denmark but they wont because they are afraid.
And besides that, 1/3-4 of Denmark are fascists so no wonder they hate muslims so much.
I guess religious muslims shouldn't have coe at the first place as they are bound to have problems with adapting to and living in the danish society... Westerners cannot immigrate into a muslim country and expect the socitey to fully accept their lifestyle and let them countinue with their western lives, they have to adapt, at least in public, and so should muslims.
Hijab, halal meat etc are not a problem. It's the protets that cause trouble. and threats, hate speech towards certain groups of people, violence towards apostates - general nonacceptance of certain rights and liberties that are taken for granted in the west.
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To me the whole issue is really goofy.. I live in the South, I have lived in the south near almost all my life, I talk southern, and I live southern... Many people in my own country like to make fun of southerners by talking about incest, stupidity, rednecks, and the list goes on. All the southerners could go and act against those who make the remarks but no one does, because like me many realize, it is just the way we talk that sets us apart. I have a very good education, and have done much more in my short life than most people do that are twice my age, so I sit back and laugh at those who poke their fun, they are ignorant. The same could be done with the Danes, sit back and laugh at their ignorance in this situation. We all know that those who insult Allah and his prophets (peace be upon them all) have a special place in the hereafter.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti
I am pretty sure the Danes see freedom of speech as a core value. They are a secular country. Adherence to ideas of liberty are a unifying, communal understanding for their nation in just the same way that Muslims revere the Prophet.
That may seem silly to you all but clearly something has their hackels up if the cartoon is being republished.
If you want McCain to get elected...keep it up. If you want the Danes to purposely taunt you, keep it up. If you want right wing parties to come to power in France, keep it up. If you want controls over Muslims in europe keep it up. If you want to unite the West like they have never been united..keep it up.
Send some nutbar to kill that Dutch filmaker..that should help. Dont forget the Pope and Rushide (in no particular order)
If liberty was a unifying and communal idea, you would not have had a danish person in those three who plotted to kill the cartoonist. Your "liberty" is actually causing disharmony and disunity amongst people, so then would you stand up for any cause which causes disharmony and disunity between people?
Re: Danes arrest three in plot to kill Mohammed cartoonist
format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin
It's definitely good they were arrested, if the allegations are true. Like that nutter who murdered Theo Van Gogh.
Just because somebody says something offensive doesn't give anyone else, whether they're Muslim or non-Muslim, the right to harm or kill them. That's just... insanity.
Would the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) have reacted so? I think not.
EDIT: I thought it would be prudent to add a poll. Whoo-hoo.
Indeed. I find it amazing that many Muslims feel that the Prophet is so accursed by Allah, that they feel they have to defend his honor and name with barbarism, even though he himself did not, as seen here:
One old woman made a habit of throwing rubbish on Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) whenever he passed from her house. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had to pass that house daily on the way to the mosque. Even when the old woman threw rubbish on him, he would pass silently without showing any anger or annoyance. This was a regular, daily event.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) Biography: Kindness and Forgiveness
One day when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was passing by the woman was not there to throw the rubbish. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) stopped and asked the neighbor about her well-being. The neighbor informed the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that the woman was sick on bed. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) politely asked permission to visit the woman. When allowed he entered the house, the woman thought that he had come there to take his revenge when she was unable to defend herself because of sickness. But the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) assured her that he had come to her, not to take any revenge, but to see her and to look after her needs, as it was the command of Allah that if any one is sick, a Muslim should visit him and should help him if his help is needed.
The old woman was greatly moved by this kindness and love of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). By the example of greatness of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), she understood that he was truly the Prophet of Allah and Islam was the true religion. She accepted Islam at once.
Now, to all who would possibly condone the behavior of the original article (regardless of whether true or not), do you also think the woman in this story should be murdered?
Honestly, folks. I think many parts of Islam are stunningly beautiful, but were I to convert, I would not be terrified of non-Muslims.
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