The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones

**crayon** · 01-06-2009

RAFAH, Egypt: Frustration has been mounting at Egypt's border with the Gaza Strip, where many local and foreign doctors have been waiting for days for Egyptian permission to enter the coastal area now under an Israeli ground invasion.
On Tuesday, a representative from a Norwegian medical aid organization was allowed to enter Gaza. But most doctors have been denied entry and have spent days waiting at the border, drinking tea and coffee at a small, dusty cafe near the crossing's metal gates.
"This is a shame," said Greek anesthesiologist Dimitrios Mognie, who's using his vacation to try to help Gaza. He thought entering through Egypt, which has a narrow border with the Hamas-ruled strip, was his best bet.
"That in 2009 they have people in need of help from a doctor and we can go to help and they won't let us. This is crazy," he said.
Gaza's few hospitals have been swamped by the numbers of injured. More than 500 Palestinians have been killed, including more than 100 civilians, according to U.N. figures from the 11-day campaign by Israel designed to stop Gaza's Hamas militants from launching rockets at Israel.

Mognie and a colleague, both from the Greek organization Doctors for Peace, were the last in their group of six Greek doctors to remain at the Rafah border after arriving five days ago with medical supplies. Their colleagues returned home after being continually rebuffed by the Egyptian border guards.
Mognie, who said he has worked in conflict zones such as Iraq, Angola and Somalia, said he understood security concerns but was willing to take the risk to help civilians in Gaza.
Israel and Egypt first closed their borders with Gaza after Hamas took control of the area in June 2007. The Egyptian closure has been seen by some as abetting Israel's siege of the crowded strip, home to 1.4 million people.
Since Israel's offensive, Egypt has taken in a trickle of wounded Palestinians from Gaza through the crossing in the border town of Rafah. Cairo, the main mediator between Israel and Hamas, has said it would only open Rafah if Hamas' rival, the moderate Palestinian forces of President Mahmoud Abbas, are in charge of the crossing.
Calls to Egypt to ease the border bottleneck — where aid convoys first have to unload cargo from Egyptian trucks before it's loaded onto Palestinian ones and taken into the strip — have increased.
Although Egypt has allowed three Norwegian medical personnel into Gaza including one who crossed on Tuesday, the majority of physicians are frustrated at their inability to get in.
The Palestinian ambulances are not allowed to travel into Egypt past the border. At the crossing, patients are taken out of the often poorly equipped Palestinian ambulances and transferred on gurneys to Egyptian ambulances.
At least 16 wounded Palestinians were brought to Egypt on Tuesday, said Mohammed Arafat a Palestinian Authority representative in Rafah.
The day before, Palestinian doctor Abed el-Qader Lubbad arrived at the border in one of the ambulances transporting patients from Gaza. Of the eight patients he ferried, one who was seriously wounded died on the way, said Lubbad, who works in the intensive care unit at Shifa Hospital in Gaza.
Obstetrician Jemilah Mahmood, the president of Mercy Malaysia, said her group worked with the Egyptian Red Crescent to transfer about $100,000 worth of medical supplies to Gaza on Monday. She's arranging another shipment that will hopefully reach the beleaguered strip next week.
But while supplies can get through, Mahmoud said neither she nor her colleagues are allowed to cross.
"Can you imagine how many women are hurt and how few women doctors there are?" she said. "All of us are sitting at the border."

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2009/...Bottleneck.php

May Allah, the most Just, deal with them all, whether it's in this life or the next.

**The_Prince** · 01-18-2009

Originally Posted by HKabdullah

The relevance of Tawheed to this threads' topic, 'The Arab leaders are worse than the Israeli ones', is simple and it is as clear as the day and night.

The majority of the Arab leaders are Muslim. In other words, simply by accepting Islam, they have accepted Tawheed completely, which is:

1-Accepting almighty Allah as their sole Lord by His description in the Qur'an and the sunnah (i.e. his names and attributes). It's proof's are numerous and one is: "And to Allah belong the most Perfect and Beautiful Names, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do.' [Al-Aa'raaf (7): 180]
2- Singling out Allah alone in His actions, with the belief that He is the only Creator of the creation, and amongst its proofs are: "And there is no living creature on earth but its providion is due from Allaah. [Hud (11):6] and "Allaah is the Creator of all things." [az-Zumar (39): 62]]
2- Singling out Allah alone (in worship) by the actions of the slaves such as seeking nearness ro Him, supplication, vowing, sacrifice, hope, fear, etc. and the proofs for all of these and more are numerous, one is: "Say: "Verily, I am commanded to worship Allah (alone) by making the deen sincerely for Him."" [az-Zumar (39):11]

On the other hand, the Israeli's and the non-Muslim leaders, by rejecting Islam, they have blatantly rejected Tawheed which is as is mentioned above.

The conclusion (1): Tawheed is the greatest of beliefs and actions. Shirk is the worst of aggressions and simply the WORST act hated by Allah. So how can the Muslim leaders be worse than the Israeli one's?

The conclusion (2): We are suffering today not because of leader so-and-so, but because of our neglect for really studying Tawheed, learning it, and wholly implementing it in our life. We should carefully understand that it NOT the so-called "superiority" of the West or the laziness and weakness of the Arab leaders, but it is Allah who TRULY dictates the situation anywhere. One should then really ponder over why Allah allows the Muslims, to be devoured, exterminated, and punished.

Allah says, "Evil (sins and disobedience of Allâh, etc.) has appeared on land and sea because of what the hands of men have earned (by oppression and evil deeds, etc.), that Allâh may make them taste a part of that which they have done, in order that they may return (by repenting to Allâh, and begging His Pardon). (Ar-Rum 30: 41)

In other words, we are all responsible for what Allah is making us tasting. It is not as simple as putting it only on the West or the few Arab leaders.

and Allah says, "Verily! Allâh will not change the good condition of a people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves (by committing sins and by being ungrateful and disobedient to Allâh). But when Allâh wills a people's punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector. (Ra'd 13:11)

The conclusion (3): In fact, the fatwa is amazing, because it recommends something that is meant to correct our affairs, specifically in Tawheed, and this Tawheed is the most noblest of affairs. Many of the people in Baghdad excessively praise the dead Sahabah, saints, etc. They commit border-line, and sometimes, fraglant acts against Tawheed. So this fatwa gives the better alternative to correct the affairs of the people and by doing so, aids in correcting our sins and disbelief, and therefore aids in bringing closer the help of Allah.

you claim the leaders are following tawheed, you do know part of tawheed is making Allah's sharia the rule of law with no man made laws right?????? you keep saying we need to implement tawheed in our lives, yet throughout your posts you have failed to mention that the rulers are not even doing that! these Arab rulers do not follow by Allah's laws, they only pick and choose, yes they implement some sharia, but last i checked Allah didnt say pick and choose what you like, rather he condemned people who pick and choose! so what are you on about????????

secondly, these Arab rulers are ALLIES and PROTECTORS with the enemies of Islam, and according to the Quran those who ally with the enemies of Islam become the kaffirs themselves. Saudia and many other Arab countries have American bases in their land, the same American army which has slaughtered thousands of Muslims, the same army who has manufactured weapons and sent to Israel to occupy Al-Aqsa and kill the Muslims of Palestine. Egypt and Jordan have full relations with Israel while Israel does all its crimes.

thirdly, i am so sick and tired of hearing people like you say tawheed tawheed tawheed, yes tawheed is very imporant, the MOST important ruling, but you use it as an excuse, when the Muslims were few in number, did the prophet keep saying hey we will study tawheed none stop and then go out to war? no he didnt, he made war AND taught the people tawheed, do not forget there were HYPOCRITES amongst the Muslims, using your logic the prophet would have never gone to war but rather he would have stayed behind preaching none stop until all the Muslims were pure goody good boys, yet that never happened, hence this is nonsense by you and your 'ulama', you want to keep the Muslims backward and ban jihad, for people like you the only way jihad can be made is when we have a perfect Muslim society, yet there is not a SINGLE ISLAMIC TEXT which says that, and the prophet Muhammads life even refutes that nonsense. secondly the prophet Muhammad taught that there will ALWAYS BE A GROUP OF TRUE MUSLIMS, hence these true Muslims must raise the banner of Jihad and fight to protect the Muslims, not simply stay home and preach about tawheed none stop.

**HKabdullah** · 01-19-2009

you claim the leaders are following tawheed, you do know part of tawheed is making Allah's sharia the rule of law with no man made laws right??????

I don't need to claim anything. By fact, they are Muslims. Consequently, by fact, they have accepted Tawheed which is believing that Allah is the only Rabb, the only one worthy of being worshipped, and He is Named and Described in the Qur'aan and the Sunnah. Unless there is some CLEAR evidence that they reject Tawheed as a matter of belief, they are the legitimate Muslim leaders.

As far as using man-made laws and not using the Shari'ah, then this is a lengthy topic that needs to be studied in-depth before "declaring hypocricy" or before declaring takfir on rulers (the scholars have writtens books on it and I have mentioned one in my last post). One person mentioned several times that "a group of scholars" have declared hypocricy on the leaders. So EVEN IF they could provide accurate references for these allegations, they need to know that there are levels of hypocricy, of kufr, and of shirk (which may or may not take us out of the fold of Islam depending on the level). Again, I refer the book to you and the last post for reference. That the scholars of Islaam, with knowledge and with proofs, AGREE that the ruler is STILL LEGITIMATE if he makes man-made laws, uses them as a point of reference, etc. whilst NOT believing that they are superior or better than Islam, etc. (and the details of each case are more specific and deserve more attention). In other words, to declare anyone at the level of major shirk, hypocricy, or kufr such that it takes them out of the fold of Islaam and thus an illegitimate ruler takes an oustanding amount of CLEAR evidence. Then, with regards such legitimate and abusive leaders OR Kings (yes, Kings) Allaah's Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wasalam) told us to obey them EVEN if they flog us and take our wealth. Is that permissible from the Shariah? No, So they are still the rulers.

you keep saying we need to implement tawheed in our lives, yet throughout your posts you have failed to mention that the rulers are not even doing that! these Arab rulers do not follow by Allah's laws, they only pick and choose, yes they implement some sharia, but last i checked Allah didnt say pick and choose what you like,

Again, as far as the ruler not doing some from the shari'ah, the rulers are still legitimate Muslim rulers and this action does not immediately make the otherwise without the neccessary conditions, and the proof is what was mentioned above and the reference for that is mentioned in my last post.

Even more wisdom in what the leaders do is that they are the likes of Us. This is clearly stated in my post about the Wisdom of Ibn Al-Qayyim= The reasons for the oppressiveness of the ruler is the oppressiveness of the people. So they nitpick like we do when most of the Ummah has chosen to become tired with Tawheed and more interested in politics and the mistakes of others or acts of shirk. Allaah gives us leaders like us. We shouldn't expect great rulers like 'Umar ibn Abdul Azeez or Salaahudeen Ayyubi, let alone Abu Bakr or Umar.

when the Muslims were few in number, did the prophet keep saying hey we will study tawheed none stop and then go out to war? no he didnt, he made war AND taught the people tawheed, do not forget there were HYPOCRITES amongst the Muslims, using your logic the prophet would have never gone to war but rather he would have stayed behind preaching none stop until all the Muslims were pure goody good boys

I haven't seen this logic in any of my postings. The truth is that you shouldn't forget what Allah says in the Qur'an and what His Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) said in the Ahaadeeth about the sahabah. They said that they were the best of generations, then the generation after them, and then the generation after them! Thus, they had the best rulers!

On top of it, Many of these Sahaabah did not even live to see the flourishing of Islaam at its later stages during the conquest of Makkah and the relative peace it came with. So, as Muslims, we are people who are interested in learning and practicing tawheed and preaching from what we practice. Those are our goals and their results are in the hands of Allaah. So For the messenger of Allah (sallallahu 'alayhi wasalam), he was never after results to control Madinah, then Makkah. No, no, this was not the case! His goals were to teach tawheed! And the results were left to Allaah. So it was Allaah's will that the people of Madinah should accept this call to Tawheed! It was Allaah's will, that by the acceptance of their call to Tawheed and their additional strength to the Muslims, the Muslims were ABLE to wage Jihaad against the Makkans.

So you think we should continuously overthrow the rulers whenever they became corrupt! Do you think that we can establish a sort of sytem that will never allow rulers to become corrupt again once we sort out the first batch? We started with best of systems and the best of possible rulers, Muhammad (sallallahu 'alayhi wasalam) and the four Khulafaa Raashideen, but Allaah willed corruption strike into the lands of the Muslims so that they became a rebellious people (such as their rebellion against Uthman, Ali, Mu'aawiyyah, etc.) and then he raised rulers similar to them in nature (like al-Hajjaaj, etc.)! You can never force off the Qadr of Allaah! Don't you see how useless such a cause is and how noble the cause of learning and calling to Tawheed is? Allaah has placed limits, limits with regards to Him, with regards to His messengers and his companions, with regards to our rulers and scholars and with regards to ourselves. Those limits don't change when a Muslim ruler oppresses us.

hence this is nonsense by you and your 'ulama', you want to keep the Muslims backward and ban jihad, for people like you the only way jihad can be made is when we have a perfect Muslim society, yet there is not a SINGLE ISLAMIC TEXT which says that, and the prophet Muhammads life even refutes that nonsense.

If the Messenger of Allaah (sallallahu 'alayhi wasalam) followed this logic, he would have fought the Quraysh while in Makkah! As someone living in the land of the kufaar, he didnt stage demonstration and protests around the Ka'bah yelling and crying about the tortured Muslims, A' udhu billah! He had patience in calling to Tawheed for thirteen years and it was only Allaah who had willed that some powerful people might heed this call and by doing so, aid Islam in conquering Makkah later on. People might argue that the Muslims already have a state, but this logic is worthless because we are in the same situation as him with respect to our enemies-- our states are weak, etc. We need to follow the example of the prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa salam) and start with Tawheed and even then Allaah doesn't have to gaurantee us anything! Not thirteen years not 100! He ALONE has control over Qadr and his decisions encompass complete wisdom, whether we understand it or not.

And I (Allâh) created not the jinns and humans except they should worship Me (Alone). (Adh-Dhariyat 51:56)

You are also falsely levelling accusations against major scholars who are known to defend the Sunnah even when many people have cursed them! Like Shaykh Abdullaah ibn Baaz, Shaykh Al-Albaani, Shaykh Saleh al-Fawzaan, and the likes who are respected by Muslims the world over. You should be very careful to say evil things against them without some evidence. Allah provides a great place for the scholars of Islaam and the proofs are in the qur'aan as I posted the verses earlier in this thread. As far as them wishing to ban Jihaad, this is gross lie. All of them have BOOKS on Jihaad and mention good about it. This Jihaad has conditions and those conditions are established from the Qur'aan and Sunnah; Islaam is not a religion of confusion and noise left to our whims--not a single aspect of it.

Lastly, It seems that many people are verging way onto pseudo-intellectual writing: constant bullying, insulting, name-calling, not addressing points, addressing points after having distorted them or leaving parts out to paint a completely different picture, mentioning things clearly out-of-context, not addressing things head on.It seems like some people are posting a reply to me without even having read my entire post! If you wish to seriously discuss, take care to read all the points and address them head on with EVIDENCE that you not only CAN cite, but ARE citing as I have actually taken care to read all your points and adress them with references. I thought the point of the forum was to debate at an academic level and for all parties to sincerely desire the truth. It seems like I will no longer be posting on this thread if replies to my posts are more pseudo-intellectual in nature than serious debating.