Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

**yas2010** · 02-18-2011

Aslaam O likum

Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

This has been running in the press for many days.

**lostsoul99** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by PouringRain

I'm not sure anyone is surprised by it-- it is just quite sad. I am not from the UK, and I honestly do not follow the gay-politics of that area, but I am not surprised at this happening there.

It is also no surprise to me to see the article mentioning "liberal Jewish" groups also supporting gay marriage and wanting to conduct ceremonies in their synagogues. About ten years ago I read an article about a Rabbi in the US who is a huge supporter of gay marriage and conducts ceremonies for them. But we could even go back much, much further than that in history and also see these things. I am not slamming the Jews in general, on the contrary, there are Jewish sects that I absolutely adore.

I am just happy that there are churches, as mentioned in the article, who are not afraid to stand up against it.

Sister the so-called "priests" or "rabbis" that support homosexuality only fake being religious in order to fulfill their agenda of corrupting their congregations by promoting this repulsive way of life. I am a Muslim and a pretty open-minded woman but homosexuality will NEVER be acceptable, and any TRUE abrahamic follower will never condone it.

**GuestFellow** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by lostsoul99

you tell 'em sister lol. homosexuality is just like pedophilia.. sexual deviancy of a sickening kind. the pedophiles have a civil rights movement too.. are these homo-lovers gonna grant pedophiles their rights too and let them molest their kids? i doubt it. they lock up pedophiles but act like homosexuals are normal.. sickening.

Salaam,

There is a difference. Homosexuality involves consent while pedophilia does not involve consent because children are considered to be too young to give consent.

There are homosexuals that are against pedophilia too.

**lostsoul99** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

Can somebody show me where in the bible Jesus speaks against homosexuality?

I know it is in the Old Testament. But is it in anything Jesus said himself?

If it is then I agree it is very perplexing that a homosexual faced with such bigotry would want to join a religion spouting it.

But if it isn't, then I could see wiggle room. The Old Testament also says you can't eat shellfish, wear mixed fibres or allow witches or disobedient children live, etc. Modern Christians disregard a lot of what is in the Old Testament, so why not this too?

For what it's worth, I know some homosexuals (mostly in the closet still) who claim to be Christians (but maybe they are also in the closet about that?).

Also keep in mind that the bible is very paternalistic and yet some feminists manage to be Christians. Cognitive dissonance is apparently not much of a barrier to religiousity.

you need to read the account of the people of Lot.. that is the part of the Quran that speaks against homosexuality too. and I'm sure that Lot is mentioned in the Bible as well.

**yas2010** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by lostsoul99

you tell 'em sister lol. homosexuality is just like pedophilia.. sexual deviancy of a sickening kind. the pedophiles have a civil rights movement too.. are these homo-lovers gonna grant pedophiles their rights too and let them molest their kids? i doubt it. they lock up pedophiles but act like homosexuals are normal.. sickening.

Very true. Throughout history we are shown examples of when mankind exceeded limitations and Allah (swt) punishes them. The people of Prophet Lot(pbuh).
But also the Greeks and Romans where padeophillia and homosexuality were rife. The destruction of the Roman city of Pompeii. It is said that there were artefacts of a sexual nature discovered that were locked away for many years due to the vile nature.

May Allah(Swt) have mercy on us. We are truly blessed to belong the ummah of the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh). Ameen.

**lostsoul99** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Salaam,

There is a difference. Homosexuality involves consent while pedophilia does not involve consent because children are considered to be too young to give consent.

There are homosexuals that are against pedophilia too.

that is true but sometimes there are cases where the child thinks that they are in love with the pedophile that is pursuing them.. I saw a couple of those stories on law and order special victims unit and that show uses real crime accounts to base its storyline off of.. and in America anyone over 18 having a relationship with anyone 16 and under gets convicted of statutory rape even if the child consents .. so like a 40 year old can't have sex with a consenting 15 year old because the thought is that the child is much too young and not legal and therefore it is a form of pedophilia.. but yea I understand what you're saying.

But consent doesn't make homosexuality acceptable..

**GuestFellow** · 02-19-2011

^ Yes, practicing homosexuality is not acceptable.

**جوري** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by Guestfellow

Salaam, There is a difference. Homosexuality involves consent while pedophilia does not involve consent because children are considered to be too young to give consent. There are homosexuals that are against pedophilia too.

many alleged children consent to sex.. if 11 year olds are considered children then perhaps they shouldn't be passing condoms and BCP to them in middle school?..
It isn't a matter of consent.. it is whether the act itself is right or wrong.. these children/teenagers have raging hormones and desires animals have desires too, siblings have desires.. so what? Are we simply to act on every desire because we feel an impulse to?

**Cabdullahi** · 02-19-2011

Media + homosexuality = hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad...its a perfectly normal alternative

hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad = decline of fruit baring relationships (heterosexual marriage)

decline of heterosexual marriage = no more babies

no more babies = more money available for greedy elitists

the promotion of three things will kill off fruit baring marriage.....casual sex...feminism...homosexuality ( i call on anyone to show us a mainstream movie or a song that promotes heterosexual marriage.)

**Aprender** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by Abdullahii

Media + homosexuality = hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad...its a perfectly normal alternative

hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad = decline of fruit baring relationships (heterosexual marriage)

decline of heterosexual marriage = no more babies

no more babies = more money available for greedy elitists

the promotion of three things will kill off fruit baring marriage.....casual sex...feminism...homosexuality ( i call on anyone to show us a mainstream movie or a song that promotes heterosexual marriage.)

Check out a Tyler Perry movie called Why Did I Get Married? and the sequel Why Did I Get Married, Too? They both promote heterosexual marriage and the problems that arise from it but also how it's important to work that out and keep the marriage going strong. Only issue is that I can't really say if it's "mainstream" because in America it's considered a movie for the "black community" so it didn't get as much promotion outside of the "black" community. It was still showed in theaters nationwide though.

**Ramadhan** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by

Do you mean they tried to force a church to allow it in their church? They told the pastor he must marry a gay couple? If so, where and when did this happen? I would oppose this as strongly as I oppose the bigots who would deny homosexuals the right to marry where a church is pleased to marry them.

Before you go on a rant, read my post #69.

You really do have a penchant for jumping into discussion without reading the posts in the thread.

**Ramadhan** · 02-19-2011

Originally Posted by

esus also never forbid slavery, and the bible speaks favourably of it (unless it is of hebrews). Does the Quran forbid beastiality and necrophilia? Incest too?

It's either you haven't read the previous posts at all or your reading comprehension is such an embarrassment (for a native english speaker).

The funny thing is, you are actually supporting my argument without realizing it.

LOL.

**Trumble** · 02-20-2011

It seems to be comedy night on the forums, folks!

Originally Posted by yas2010

Very true. Throughout history we are shown examples of when mankind exceeded limitations and Allah (swt) punishes them. The people of Prophet Lot(pbuh).
But also the Greeks and Romans where padeophillia and homosexuality were rife. The destruction of the Roman city of Pompeii. It is said that there were artefacts of a sexual nature discovered that were locked away for many years due to the vile nature.

It is estimated some 3,000 lost their lives in Pompeii and Herculanium, including those killed in the associated tsunami.

250,000+ were killed across SE Asia in 2004/5 (tsunami)
50,000+ were killed in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan in 2005. (quake)
26,000+ were killed in Iran in 2003 (quake)
50,000+ were killed in Iran in 1990 (quake)
500,000+ were killed in (what is now) Bangladesh in 1970 (cyclone, floods)
110,000+ were killed in Turkmenistan in 1948 (quake)
32,000+ were killed in Turkey in 1939 (quake)
30,000+ were killed in (what is now) Pakistan in 1935

etc, etc, etc.

Were those people all homosexuals and pedophiles, too?

Originally Posted by Abdullahii

Media + homosexuality = hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad...its a perfectly normal alternative

hang on a minute lock and lock is actually not that bad = decline of fruit baring relationships (heterosexual marriage)

decline of heterosexual marriage = no more babies

no more babies = more money available for greedy elitists

the promotion of three things will kill off fruit baring marriage.....casual sex...feminism...homosexuality ( i call on anyone to show us a mainstream movie or a song that promotes heterosexual marriage.)

Are you for real?! All that casual sex, feminism and homosexuality has resulted in;

512pxWorld population historysvg 1 - Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

512pxWorld population historysvg 1 - Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

Or is that just the most spectacular failed conspiracy in history?

**Lynx** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by lostsoul99

But consent doesn't make homosexuality acceptable..

The question people should ask themselves is what makes homosexuality unacceptable?

**CosmicPathos** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by Trumble

It seems to be comedy night on the forums, folks!

It is estimated some 3,000 lost their lives in Pompeii and Herculanium, including those killed in the associated tsunami.

250,000+ were killed across SE Asia in 2004/5 (tsunami)
50,000+ were killed in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan in 2005. (quake)
26,000+ were killed in Iran in 2003 (quake)
50,000+ were killed in Iran in 1990 (quake)
500,000+ were killed in (what is now) Bangladesh in 1970 (cyclone, floods)
110,000+ were killed in Turkmenistan in 1948 (quake)
32,000+ were killed in Turkey in 1939 (quake)
30,000+ were killed in (what is now) Pakistan in 1935

etc, etc, etc.

Were those people all homosexuals and pedophiles, too?

Are you for real?! All that casual sex, feminism and homosexuality has resulted in;

512pxWorld population historysvg 1 - Gay Couples are to be Allowed to Marry in Churches.

Or is that just the most spectacular failed conspiracy in history?

No one said that those people were killed for homosexuality. The guy simply said that Quran says that "Pompeii" was destroyed cuz of homos sexing around but Quran does not say that all those countries you mentioned were destroyed for such perversions. Stop creating false assumptions and then destroying them.

**Pygoscelis** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by Trumble

It is estimated some 3,000 lost their lives in Pompeii and Herculanium, including those killed in the associated tsunami.

250,000+ were killed across SE Asia in 2004/5 (tsunami)
50,000+ were killed in Pakistan, India and Afghanistan in 2005. (quake)
26,000+ were killed in Iran in 2003 (quake)
50,000+ were killed in Iran in 1990 (quake)
500,000+ were killed in (what is now) Bangladesh in 1970 (cyclone, floods)
110,000+ were killed in Turkmenistan in 1948 (quake)
32,000+ were killed in Turkey in 1939 (quake)
30,000+ were killed in (what is now) Pakistan in 1935

From the data you presented above, it seems to make just as much sense to claim that practicing Islam brings natural disasters upon people, as claiming that homosexuality does.

And what is with the "allowing homosexuality = ending heterosexuality = ending babies" argument? It makes no sense whatsoever unless of course the speaker is secretly homosexual and assumes everybody else is too. I mean, if it was suddenly considered ok to be homosexual, you really think we'd all be homosexual? And do you really think there is a shortage of births in the world today?

Finally, "not endorsing and promoting homosexuality" is fine. That is entirely different from equating homosexuals with pedophiles and rapists. And it is quite different from denying homosexuals the right to marry (given a church who is cool with doing the ceremony). And it is quite different form making homosexual acts illegal and punishable (as has happened in various places, usually by religious folk)

**Pygoscelis** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by Lynx

The question people should ask themselves is what makes homosexuality unacceptable?

Yes. That is the heart of it. And the answer is twofold. (1) Religion. (2) the "eeeww" factor.

**GuestFellow** · 02-20-2011

^ Yay you answered the question. So answer mine now if you want.

What makes homosexuality acceptable?

**Aprender** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by Pygoscelis

Yes. That is the heart of it. And the answer is twofold. (1) Religion. (2) the "eeeww" factor.

LOL @ "eww" factor. Any way you put it, religious or not, there are going to be some people out there who just aren't OK with it.

**Pygoscelis** · 02-20-2011

Originally Posted by Aprender

LOL @ "eww" factor. Any way you put it, religious or not, there are going to be some people out there who just aren't OK with it.

I think that "eww" factor stems from imagining oneself engaging in homosexual sex and being revolted by it. I see that as not so different from ugly people though; same "eww" factor. And if that's enough to stop homosexuals from getting married, then perhaps we should stop ugly people from getting married too.

Oh and before somebody takes a cheap shot and calls me ugly (and you know they will), I am actually quite dashing (and modest too! lol)