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    Assalamu alaikum brothers.
    I am from Croatia,Europe and I have converted to Islam 1 year ago. Recently I decided to do what I can to raise awareness about important topics regarding Islam.
    So my friend and I asked people from different countries, do they think that Islam is to blame for Manchester bombing.
    If you have time and will to support us in further video making of Islamic related videos, inshAllah watch our video and share it...Shukran ! wwwislamicboardcom - Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?
    Here is the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXu0PA92pJg
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    Assalamu alaikum brothers.
    I am from Croatia,Europe and I have converted to Islam 1 year ago. Recently I decided to do what I can to raise awareness about important topics regarding Islam.
    So my friend and I asked people from different countries, do they think that Islam is to blame for Manchester bombing.
    If you have time and will to support us in further video making of Islamic related videos, inshAllah watch our video and share it...Shukran ! wwwislamicboardcom - Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?
    Here is the link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXu0PA92pJg
    salam alaikum brother,good wee video,i enjoyed that
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scottish Celt View Post
    salam alaikum brother,good wee video,i enjoyed that
    we alaikum assalam brother, thank you very much
    i hope you will enjoy more islam-related videos that we will make
    inshAllah we will manage to show europe and americans the truth about Islam
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Assalaam alaikum

    I refuse to apologise to anyone for the Manchester Bombing..

    Why should I apologise when I am in London? What? Because I'm a Muslim? SO WHAT? I'M NOT APOLOGISING TO ANYONE FOR THAT EVENT.

    To apologise is to ADMIT GUILT - and heck, I aint guilty of no crime like that!

    FIND THE CULRPITS - GET YOUR APOLOGY FROM THEM, THEN DO AS THOU WILT WITH THEM - ME NUH CARE FO DAT!

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    Assalaam alaikum

    I refuse to apologise to anyone for the Manchester Bombing..

    Why should I apologise when I am in London? What? Because I'm a Muslim? SO WHAT? I'M NOT APOLOGISING TO ANYONE FOR THAT EVENT.

    To apologise is to ADMIT GUILT - and heck, I aint guilty of no crime like that!

    FIND THE CULRPITS - GET YOUR APOLOGY FROM THEM, THEN DO AS THOU WILT WITH THEM - ME NUH CARE FO DAT!

    Scimi
    Wa alaikum assalam brother.
    We have to be realistic in this situation. We, muslim brothers, understand each other, but do people from non muslims culture understand us ?
    They have no knowledge about Islam, they dont know if you maybe support this monster who killed innocent children!
    Because of that fact, that people are doing wrong acts of violence in the name of Islam ( which is our religion brother) we have to make a stand, but , we apologize to nobody!
    We will not apologize for following the truth, but we are expected to defend our good name as Muslims! We are expected to say loud that we feel bad for every innocent soul that gets hurt, nothing more, nothing less!
    Allah hafiz brother!
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Most people don't blame Islam for the Manchester bombings, but many wonder why most terrorist attacks that are happening around the globe today are caused mainly by Islamic groups, whether it be ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, Al-Shabaab, and so on... I think the answer lies with some preachers who are hijacking Islam for political purposes. We have to stop preachers of hate from hijacking Islam. The best way is through education...

    The OP has decided to raise awareness regarding Islam to non-Muslims. Good, but I think some Muslims also need education on Islam because clearly some Muslims don't understand that murdering kids is Haram.
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    Wa alaikum assalam brother.
    wa alaykum as salaam,

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    We have to be realistic in this situation. We, muslim brothers, understand each other, but do people from non muslims culture understand us ?

    They have no knowledge about Islam, they dont know if you maybe support this monster who killed innocent children!
    2 things brother,

    1) I don't understand Buddhism, but I do not go around condemning all Buddhists for the Genocide of the Rohinghya which is still going on in Burma/Myamnar - because common sense tells me that terrorism has nothing to do with religion. So no, this shameful act has nothing to do with Islam - despite the media attempting to portray otherwise. If I admit I am sorry and apologise for that event then I am, by way of admission, guilty - YET - in reality, I had NOTHING to do with that shameful act and will never ever adopt extremist and irreligious points of view which could harm of endanger others.

    So - apology, out of the question.

    2) Your video has already proven that guests/tourists to your country from ALL OVER THE WORLD, know that Islam is not responsible for this event - so why should we apologise? An Apology - is an Admission Of Guilt - WE ARE NOT GUILTY. Hope you understand!

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    I agree with br Scimi. I am sick of tired to apology every times when some lunatics do something like in UK. I and my religion just hasn´t nothing to do with such things - and this is what I say to people if they wondering why I don´t condemn every terrorist acts what in this world might happen.

    Do Christians or atheists condemn and apology all acts, attacks and crimes what some from Christian or atheist background terrorist or criminal or who ever might do? Usually no.
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    Brothers, I perfectly understand what you want to say. I agree with you 100% , and you can see that I said here that we apologize to nobody!
    But your approach to this situation can still be a little bit better. We have to think about people like me. Why's that ? Its because I am living in city that has probably 0 muslims beside me.
    Do you know how easily can people like me be misguided about Islam ? Alhamdulilah I met online some brothers who guided me in the right path, and the first thing that helped me on that path was their manners and patiance !
    Nobody is asking from us directly to apologize, neither am I stating that. I just want to say that we need to be louder in explaining to others that THOSE killers who kill in the name of Allah are completly different category, and explain why is that. You cant tell me that true muslims dont have a burden if they live in non muslim country ? People are looking at me wrong all the time since I became muslim, but when I with patiance and right approach explain people how Islam has changed me to be a much better person and what is Islam truly about- they change the way they look at me! Wallahi some of them have started to greet me with ''Assalamu alaikum'' , and that is because I earned their respect as good person first, and then as muslim second !
    Basicly I agree with you brothers, but I just want to say that we need to have proper approach in this situation since it has become very delicate. People are killing innoccent children in Europe in the name of Allah?!? We can do alot if we act more loudly! That is the reason why i made the video.
    Hope you understand me brothers, I wish you all the best
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    I agree with br Scimi. I am sick of tired to apology every times when some lunatics do something like in UK. I and my religion just hasn´t nothing to do with such things - and this is what I say to people if they wondering why I don´t condemn every terrorist acts what in this world might happen.

    Do Christians or atheists condemn and apology all acts, attacks and crimes what some from Christian or atheist background terrorist or criminal or who ever might do? Usually no.
    I condemn all acts of terrorism, but I do not see why I must apologise for any of them - simple.

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Salaam bro DunyaStory,

    I liked the rest of your post so I'm only quoting the part I want to reply to:

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    People are killing innoccent children in Europe in the name of Allah?!? We can do alot if we act more loudly! That is the reason why i made the video.
    Hope you understand me brothers, I wish you all the best
    No one kills in the name of Allah, innocents - no where in the Qur'an nor Sunnah did this ever happen - and so it is an antithetical idea to assume as a formal justification. It doesn't work for me.

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?



    Obviously, Islam condemns the killings of innocents / terrorism. But as Brother Scimitar says, we shouldn't apologize. I understand we need to clarify that killing innocents is condemned by Islam.

    I will just from now on not apologize for what some Muslim has done. If anyone asks "why?" - it is cuz Islam condemns it - and why should we always apologize for what we have not done?

    Allahu alam
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Salam. What he says has some truth. Common senses are shaped by the actions of people. So when people see some specific actions are done by some specific people most of the time, they may develop a common sense that that specific action is related to a common ground of those people. In our example its Muslims most of the time who commit terrorist acts in the west so they started to think that it is because of Islam. That doesnt require us to apoligize but educate them or atleast inform them its nothing to do with Islam
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    yes in legal terms to issue an apology is an admission of guilt.
    to condemn is obvious but either its not loud enough.or it falls on deaf ears.there is also the issue of constantly proving your innocence and humanity ,which is unfair of course.
    i hope you have heard my bbc interviews and read my blog and forum posts.
    in the end it is upto us to learn how to communicate with sensitivity but honestly.and that is not so easy.
    everyones an "expert"...but in reality some of us had no choice in the matter.communication is key in these very difficult times.even musa a.s. made dua to allah for the ability to communicate properly.
    if a prophet did so...shouldnt we?
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Greetings and peace be with you Scimi my friend,

    I do not see why I must apologise for any of them - simple.
    I totally agree with you, but you can continue to voice this opinion of yours.

    I condemn all acts of terrorism. No one kills in the name of Allah, innocents - no where in the Qur'an nor Sunnah did this ever happen
    And we can all pray for the victims of all faiths and of no faith.

    In the spirit of praying to a just and merciful God.

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    My friend Kevin, who is an Hindu - found out about the Manchester bombing before I did, and informed like this:

    "Bro, you hear about the Manchester bombing?"

    "what bombing?" i replied,

    "don't you watch the ne.." he cut off mid sentence and pulled out his phone, bought the article up. I snorted and smirked, "I guess they'll be blaming the MOOZLUMS for it eh?" said I.

    He cackled and replied "you know they'll be demanding apologies from all Muslim in this nation again right?"

    "Not from me" said I and he smiled and said "dam right bro, aint your problem, so don't admit an apology of guilt" we both bumped fists and that was that.

    Now, all people of Blighty know that Muslims are non violent and peaceful people - they know what a false flag is - and they know the lengths our voted govenrment will go to in order to tarnish the image of Islam.

    WHY?

    Because the flouride levels in our water are well below the danger zone, unlike what the yanks have to suffer.

    Now for the investigation:

    It comes as no surprise to us, but new evidence appears to show that Salman Abedi, the Manchester Arena[/COLOR] bomber, was a asset. *See above header video for more details.It is already admitted by the UK government that Salman Abedi was known to them and now this new evidence seems to confirm that Salman Abedi and his family were used by the British Intelligence agencies as proxy assets. This is obviously the reason why no action was taken when he was reported to Mi5. They did not want to deactivate an asset.
    He regularly travelled to Syria and Libya to fight with ISIS linked groups with the permission of British intelligence and allowed to return to Britain at will.
    Sauce: http://www.oye.news/news/war/terrori...nce-mi6-asset/
    Maybe the MI6 need to apologise to the UK's Muslims and the UK in general, no?

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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Scimitar View Post
    My friend Kevin, who is an Hindu - found out about the Manchester bombing before I did, and informed like this:

    "Bro, you hear about the Manchester bombing?"

    "what bombing?" i replied,

    "don't you watch the ne.." he cut off mid sentence and pulled out his phone, bought the article up. I snorted and smirked, "I guess they'll be blaming the MOOZLUMS for it eh?" said I.
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    Dear brother ,I have no doubt in your heart and its intentions, but such approach can present wrong image in the outside.
    Our first reaction has to be saddness due to loss of innoccent lives. Every muslim has to be clear and loud about that, after that if anyone tries to blame you as muslim for what happened, you can make yourself clear that you (and I) wont apologize to anyone since we carry NO guild whatsoever.
    I hope you understand what I want to say when commenting that your approach may seem a bit insensitive to other non muslims.
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    Dear brother ,I have no doubt in your heart and its intentions, but such approach can present wrong image in the outside.
    Our first reaction has to be saddness due to loss of innoccent lives. Every muslim has to be clear and loud about that, after that if anyone tries to blame you as muslim for what happened, you can make yourself clear that you (and I) wont apologize to anyone since we carry NO guild whatsoever.
    I hope you understand what I want to say when commenting that your approach may seem a bit insensitive to other non muslims.
    Brother what one needs to do is NEVER APPOLIGIZE for such a thing. Instead show outrage for such a act. When somebody says this is Islam it's fault you ask them here I have the Qur'an and the ahadith..these are the books that we Muslims go by. Show me where it says we should do such a act. That is the moment the honest upset non-Muslim will be confused and start asking questions. The dishonest non-Muslim no matter what you say it is all the same. Just leave this one be in his ignorance. However NEVER appoligize because we know that there are events that are false flags but Islam is not saying anything as such. So instead of making yourself be the criminal educate those people. Do please ponder about what we try to tell you. Because when you appoligize you do Islam even more harm but saying this is indeed because of Islam.
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    Daesh murders people all over the world but why just this Manchester bombing is on the headlines by the brightest colors - and the most discussed in here too?
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    Re: Do people blame Islam for Manchester bombing?

    format_quote Originally Posted by DunyaStory View Post
    Dear brother ,I have no doubt in your heart and its intentions, but such approach can present wrong image in the outside.
    Our first reaction has to be saddness due to loss of innoccent lives. Every muslim has to be clear and loud about that, after that if anyone tries to blame you as muslim for what happened, you can make yourself clear that you (and I) wont apologize to anyone since we carry NO guild whatsoever.
    I hope you understand what I want to say when commenting that your approach may seem a bit insensitive to other non muslims.
    Brother, first of all, my prayers are with the dead and the families of those who lost loved ones - my thoughts are not with those who need me to admit any guilt or show any sympathy as my proof of being non violent.

    I owe them nothing.

    They owe me and my people - the Muslims - a MASSIVE apology for remaining ignorant about the Muslims they live alongside in this nation we call "great Britain".

    They've done very little to understand us, to integrate with us - they just want us to integrate with them and lose our identity. They want us to lose the hijab, the beards, the thowbs, the miswak, and the salaat - because it's not British.

    They complain that we build too many mosques when they themselves do not enter churches on Sundays - and instead of letting these disused churches turn into nightclubs (blasphemy) like they did with the church turned into a nightclub called - The Mass in Brixton - the Muslims buy them and turn them into mosques so the worship of God may continue in this land - AND THEY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

    These are not people WHO CARE ok?

    These are those who cause corruptions in the lands.

    I do not bow to their whip - I will never bow to their whip.

    I will maintain my integrity and honour as a Muslim and remain "unopologetic" for crimes I did not commit.

    Until they listen to reason and not the mindless media monkeying - they are not getting any conversation from me.

    Every Sunday I go to speakers corner and I film the debates/discussions and on occasion I also get involved in these myself - And NEVER will any Daee apologise for these unislamic acts which are antithetical to islam itself.

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