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    Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

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    A Contribution By MA Qazi

    Islam is a religion of peace, accepted and practiced by 1.5 billion people worldwide. It is the fastest-growing religion in the world, and if it was as some critics claim, why would people from all walks of life from around the world keep embracing Islam? Where is the sword now?

    In Islam, a person has the right to defend himself, his family, his country or his neighbor(s), which justifies the resistance being offered by the people of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Kashmir and Palestine, to attacks on their soils by the so-called liberators, who are actually the occupiers.

    The Holy Qur’an clearly states that if a person saves one life, it’s as if he saved humanity, and if a person kills one human being, it’s as if he killed humanity.

    What is happening in the enslaved Muslim countries is a natural reaction to occupation, bombings, killing and terrorizing of innocent civilians (children, old men and women), rapes, in addition to looting of resources, national antiques and artifacts, above all destruction of property by the occupiers.

    Terror Breeds Terror

    We assure those who bash Islam that if there was no occupation in this world by foreign invaders, there would be no resistance – the so-called terror. We would like those who criticize Islam to explain the following acts committed by the Christians on Jews, other Christians and Muslims alike, throughout history:

    • Hundreds of thousands of Muslim men, women and children were killed by the crusaders, who were Christians.

    • The bloody inquisition of Jews and Muslims from Spain was spearheaded by Queen Isabella, a Christian.

    • Millions of people were killed by the European and American Christians during the two World Wars.

    • Atrocities were committed against millions of Jews and Christians by Adolph Hitler, a professed Christian.

    • Hundreds of thousands of Christians were killed by the Irish Christians, including the British and the IRA, both Catholics and Protestants, during the past few centuries. Why are they not labeled as “Christian Terrorists?” Both of them believe in Jesus Christ, who told them to turn the other cheek, and both of them believe in the same Lord, Who commanded that “Thou shall not kill.” Period.

    • Timothy McVeigh, who bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, was a Catholic. Are all Catholics terrorists?

    • There have been countless bombings, killings, rapes and lynchings of both American Indians and black slaves (Afro-Americans) during the past 200 years in the United States.

    Will those filled with hate for Islam blame Christianity for the these inhuman acts by Christians in various parts of the world? If not, then why are they blaming the religion of Islam for what is a natural reaction to occupation of Muslim countries by foreign invaders?

    Most importantly, these folks should know that the three great Abrahamic religions – Judaism, Christianity and Islam – have one common basis, and that is one God Almighty.

    “All men (and women) are created equal, and we all are one nation under Almighty God,” is a statement according to the Holy Qur’an and is very well elucidated in the U.S. Constitution.

    Lastly, as a brother in humanity, we recommend those filled with hate get an education in the history of Islam and Muslims, before they dare to write nasty letters full of personal, ingrained hatred and vendetta.

    We would be pleased to provide anyone with free copies of the Holy Qur’an and Islamic literature in English that would help them to understand the truth about Islam and Muslims that will rid of hate from their systems, God willing.

    May God Almighty show you the light, Amen.

    If you would like more information on Islam or a copy of the Holy Quran, please contact [email protected] and we will facilitate your request free of charge.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    Whether fair or not, a religion is often judged by the actions of its followers. Just as Christianity was harmed by the un-Christian actions during the Crusades, the image of Islam is being harmed by the actions of some of its followers. While most rational individuals understand that Islam is not what we see on TV every day, that can't help but be overshadowed by the events occurring in the world, often times under the umbrella of "Islam".
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    I agree on that. Christianity is also always named, when it comes to the cruisades. So I guess, Islam has now to face the same problems, even I'm sure, lot of muslims are rather peaceful.
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    Hundreds of thousands of Muslim men, women and children were killed by the crusaders, who were Christians.
    That's true, and they did it for god. And I blame Christianity.
    There are those that fly airplanes into buildings for god, and I don't blame Christianity.
    They found something in there religion that made them feel there actions were justified.

    which justifies the resistance being offered by the people of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya, Iraq, Kashmir and Palestine, to attacks on their soils by the so-called liberators, who are actually the occupiers.
    Are you talking about the kind of resistance that justifies the killing of school children in Chechnya?
    Or the kind of resistance in Iraq that requires the torturing your neighbor before shooting him in the back of the head and dumping him on the street?
    The stile of resistance where a Palestinian walks into an Israeli bakery and blows himself up?
    How about the Afghanistan resistance where they are holding and killing people that have nothing to do with the situation. Kashmir resistance? It is just another example of Muslims killing non-Muslims to overthrow the government and install an Islamic State. It is not unique; we see that in every corner of the world.

    Where does all this inspiration come from?

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    That's true, and they did it for god. And I blame Christianity.
    There are those that fly airplanes into buildings for god, and I don't blame Christianity.
    They found something in there religion that made them feel there actions were justified.


    Are you talking about the kind of resistance that justifies the killing of school children in Chechnya?
    Or the kind of resistance in Iraq that requires the torturing your neighbor before shooting him in the back of the head and dumping him on the street?
    The stile of resistance where a Palestinian walks into an Israeli bakery and blows himself up?
    How about the Afghanistan resistance where they are holding and killing people that have nothing to do with the situation. Kashmir resistance? It is just another example of Muslims killing non-Muslims to overthrow the government and install an Islamic State. It is not unique; we see that in every corner of the world.

    Where does all this inspiration come from?
    you and the beslan incident in russia, are you always going to bring that up like it is the norm that chechen millitants do? that was once in a blue moon incident and you keep acting like they always do it. but how bad for you recent evidence is comming out that it was infact the russian soldiers who ignited the bombs and the massive death tool in the school not the chechen rebels, what an idiot you will like and all other anti-Islamics when evidence shows that hey it was the russian soldiers who were actually responsible for their stupid gung-ho tactic that left many many kids dead!

    and since you always in love with bringing beslan up, what about all the chechen kids? and women? there are tons of videos showing the atrocities done against the chechens, why dont you bring that up, why always beslan? it seems to these westerners one attack against them becomes an icnonic moment in history that has to be repeated a million times as if to show its the only thing that happened and that they are the only victims ignoring the many many many many many many many many atrocities they have commited against the other side which pushed the other side to go to such extremes as was the case with these "few" chechen rebels.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    "Beslan incident"?????

    Are you kidding me? You make it sound like a couple of guys arguing about a traffic accident. There was nothing "incidental" about the Beslan mass murders. It was absolutely bestial, morally indefensible act of terror that set new standards of "communal" socioapthy.

    Any justification you offer is just going to make you look bad. Best to condemn it unreservedly and move on.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti View Post
    "Beslan incident"?????

    Are you kidding me? You make it sound like a couple of guys arguing about a traffic accident. There was nothing "incidental" about the Beslan mass murders. It was absolutely bestial, morally indefensible act of terror that set new standards of "communal" socioapthy.

    Any justification you offer is just going to make you look bad. Best to condemn it unreservedly and move on.
    they same way the beslan incident touched many peoples hearts and upset many people, this is the exact same way muslims being killed and havin their homes taken from them and being afraid to step outside their house etc. touches the heart of many muslims. he wasn't providing a justification for the beslan incident, he was basically asking why one incident (no matter how large it may be) is enormously talked about 2day.. whilst the pain of what others are being put through is ignored.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

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    what an idiot you will like and all other anti-Islamics
    Right, I’m anti-Islamics because I don’t find ever violent act any Muslim does is OK.

    evidence shows that hey it was the russian soldiers who were actually responsible for their stupid gung-ho tactic that left many many kids dead!
    The fact that the some of soldier’s actions were faulty does not excuse the situation the terrorists created. The terrorists, excuse me, resistance fighters, put the children at risk and they died. Who is responsible is clear.
    what about all the chechen kids? and women? there are tons of videos showing the atrocities done against the chechens
    I have never denied any of it. I don’t defend all that Russia has done. Do you want a list of everything I think has been done wrong in the last 100 years? The article is kind of an “Oh poor me, I have never done anything wrong and everyone is against me”. I’m not buying it. Things have been done wrong and I mentioned a few.

    But you only complain about Beslan. Am I to assume that you think I’m only unjustified mentioning Beslan?

    By the way Cognescenti summed it up quite will. You should reread his reply.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Faffy.K View Post
    they same way the beslan incident touched many peoples hearts and upset many people, this is the exact same way muslims being killed and havin their homes taken from them and being afraid to step outside their house etc. touches the heart of many muslims. he wasn't providing a justification for the beslan incident, he was basically asking why one incident (no matter how large it may be) is enormously talked about 2day.. whilst the pain of what others are being put through is ignored.
    Has there any conflict in the last 60 years where Muslims equate everything to Israel? Israel seams to be justification for any thing and every thing.

    whilst the pain of what others are being put through is ignored.
    I would hardly condider any of the "Pain" you talk about is being ignored.
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    Religions OUGHT to be held accountable, yes. Same with ideologies.

    It is the individuals who do the acts, but it more often than not the religions that are used to justify them, both to the individuals themselves and to the world at large.

    When people do something horrible they need some form of jusitification for it. THey need to feel it is the right and just thing to do (or at least in their interest). Religion too often provides this to them.

    And holy books written in such a way to be so easily interpreted to condone or even prescribe the acts should be held accountable for being the enabling documents that they are.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    I completely agree with Pygoscelis.

    I don't understand the confusion about this. If an act is committed in name of an ideology and approved by that ideology, then that ideology is also to blame.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    No. Let there be no pretence, we are all talking about Islam here.

    Islam cannot be held accountable for the actions of any individuals. It is not written so that it can be easily interpreted to suit anybody's line of thinking.

    Individuals take verses out of context. That's what they use to justify their acts. Verses taken out of context. So they are accountable. Not the religion. It is not even written in a way that could justify what terrorists do.
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    No. Let there be no pretence, we are all talking about Islam here.

    Islam cannot be held accountable for the actions of any individuals. It is not written so that it can be easily interpreted to suit anybody's line of thinking.

    Individuals take verses out of context. That's what they use to justify their acts. Verses taken out of context. So they are accountable. Not the religion. It is not even written in a way that could justify what terrorists do.
    And if religious figures held in esteem by believers advocate violence?

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    Muslims do these actions in the name of Islam.so naturally Non-Muslims will be wary of Islam and will have negative views towards the religion.you can't have expected them(Non-Muslims) to have learned the Quran and tafsir by heart.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Aziz View Post
    Muslims do these actions in the name of Islam.so naturally Non-Muslims will be wary of Islam and will have negative views towards the religion.you can't have expected them(Non-Muslims) to have learned the Quran and tafsir by heart.
    Yes its very true.
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by KAding View Post
    I completely agree with Pygoscelis.

    I don't understand the confusion about this. If an act is committed in name of an ideology and approved by that ideology, then that ideology is also to blame.
    Ditto

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    How true--I feel the same way about Atheism after several leaders and regimes have massacred en masse-- from Enver Hoxa to Mao Xedong, to Stallin to pol pot just to name a few, each with millions of death under his belt..

    every time I see something unscrupulously immoral.. I think Atheism.. just recently with the tainted food and bogus drugs, even toothpaste containing toxic substance, which can cause kidney failure, paralysis and death, has been yanked from sale in North and South America, Europe and Asia in recent weeks all coming from Godless China-- I think to myself.. yup, that is very in concert with what Godless louses would do.. murder every which way for a profit or whatever worldly reason.. what is to hold them back? For once I agree with you wilbur.. 'tis indeed the ideology that is to blame... Let's tote up the count of killed, maimed and murdered under atheistical regimes....Let's see who wins by a milestone please...
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    No. Let there be no pretence, we are all talking about Islam here.
    Islam cannot be held accountable for the actions of any individuals.
    Well Cognescenti, KAding, myself and many others disagree.

    It is not written so that it can be easily interpreted to suit anybody's line of thinking.
    Individuals take verses out of context. That's what they use to justify their acts. Verses taken out of context.
    Don’t you see your own contradiction? Individuals take verses out of context yet you say It is not written so that it can be easily interpreted to suit anybody's line of thinking.
    I think your argument fully supports our statements.

    So they are accountable. Not the religion.
    I think both bare some responsibility. It seams I am not alone in that thinking.

    It is not even written in a way that could justify what terrorists do.
    I think the terrorists would totally disagree with you. I think most believe they are serving god.

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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    The important factor here is religious leaders. Take the Crusades for example. The lords, knights, and men-at-arms who participated in that fight did not wake up one morning thinking "You know, I think God wants me to join an army to take over Jerusalem by any means necessary." It took religious authority, meaning the Pope, to convince them of this necessity in the name of God.

    Islam may not have a central authority figure, but it does have many religious leaders, some of who preach violence on a daily basis. Now I understand the vast majority of neighborhood mosques are places of peaceful worship and community outreach, just as Christian churches, but there are obviously many Islamic leaders who preach the opposite. Some Muslims are taken in by these religious leaders, who tell them what is justified in the name of God. I don't believe the average Muslim is sitting around reading the Qu'ran when it suddenly dawns on them that they should kill people in the name of God. Leadership is the problem, and who these people look to as authorities on Islamic practice.
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    Re: Why Blame Islam? Individuals, Not Religions, Carry Out Violent Acts

    format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    How true--I feel the same way about Atheism after several leaders and regimes have massacred en masse-- from Enver Hoxa to Mao Xedong, to Stallin to pol pot just to name a few, each with millions of death under his belt..

    every time I see something unscrupulously immoral.. I think Atheism.. just recently with the tainted food and bogus drugs, even toothpaste containing toxic substance, which can cause kidney failure, paralysis and death, has been yanked from sale in North and South America, Europe and Asia in recent weeks all coming from Godless China-- I think to myself.. yup, that is very in concert with what Godless louses would do.. murder every which way for a profit or whatever worldly reason.. what is to hold them back? For once I agree with you wilbur.. 'tis indeed the ideology that is to blame... Let's tote up the count of killed, maimed and murdered under atheistical regimes....Let's see who wins by a milestone please...
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