Do you support or sympathise with Israel (Zionism)?

salam....i voted yh....bcuz at de end of de day....dey all humans
i dnt support em jus sympathize dem

wassalam

format_quote Originally Posted by dARk cRyStAl

salam....i voted yh....bcuz at de end of de day....dey all humans
i dnt support em jus sympathize dem

wassalam

Pull Subject was
Do you support or sympathize with Israel (Zionism)

mean: Do u support/sympathize Israeli action

im afraid u understand different thing.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

If you want to have a poll on whether people approve of Israeli actions in the West Bank and Lebanon, then ask that, instead of asking them if they sympathize with Zionism.

I said it before, if people actually bothered to read everything contained in the thread, uncluding links attached they would know what I'm talking about. No one is against Israels rights to exist. In the light of the ecidence I have provided, if you do bother to read it, it clearly proves that Israel (a nation led by ZIonism) is a threat to mankind due to their belief. And I have given facts and evidence, and can provide more, that proves the threat Israel poses.

Read the evidence and facts I have provided, it is clear Zionists are terrorists and yet people support them. Zionism is the most extreme form of racism and those who aren't a Zionist yet they support them are truly ignorant based on the evidence I have provided.

Please do not respond with your opinions unless you have read everything contained in the thread. It's not fair that I have to repeat myself because people can't be bothered to read everything in the thread and ask questions based on a few posts they have read. Thanks.

format_quote Originally Posted by KAding

Surely you are not denying that Palestinians have committed attrocities themselves? History is riddled with hijackings, bombings, hostage-takings, suicide attacks by Palestinian militants on Israeli targets. Heck, during the turn of the century there were frequent attacks on busses and restaurants.

For a fairly comprehensive list:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/...isterrtoc.html

I'm not denying anything. I'm just agreeing with Wilberhum how annoying it is when someone who doesn't agree with you just says 'PROVE IT' at every oppurtunity because they think you're lying or something. On the other hand, one should be able to back up their views with evidence if needed.

format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah

It encourages them to be deceptive in how they Kill all non-jews and tells them that all jews has the right to Gentile(Non-Jewish) land and home regardless of how long a gentile may have lived their, regardless of the gentiles legal ownership of the land.

“The wealth of the Akum(Gentiles) is to be regarded as common property and belongs to the first who can get it”
– Talmud, Choschen Hammischpat 425.5 hagah

Now I don't know the answer here, but is it not possible that you are quoting Zionist scripture (or whatever this is) as far out of context as those who choose to knock Islam by pulling aya's and sunnah out selectively and maliciously?

I would also like to see you show some daleel on where it says in the the Torah or any text that Zionists hold sacred as to where it says to kill non-Jews.

I get sick and tired of those outside of our community making senseless hate points to besmurch the image of Islam. I would be VERY cross to find that there were members of our community doing the same. After all, Allah swt did indeed warn us of this very clearly......

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

Now I don't know the answer here, but is it not possible that you are quoting Zionist scripture (or whatever this is) as far out of context as those who choose to knock Islam by pulling aya's and sunnah out selectively and maliciously?

I would also like to see you show some daleel on where it says in the the Torah or any text that Zionists hold sacred as to where it says to kill non-Jews.

I get sick and tired of those outside of our community making senseless hate points to besmurch the image of Islam. I would be VERY cross to find that there were members of our community doing the same. After all, Allah swt did indeed warn us of this very clearly......

lol .. bro

i have a pic regarding this issue





terrorist who
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-af...ist-who-2.html
http://www.halturnershow.com

I voted NO! I'm against the crime that has been done by that entity called Israel towards the people of Palestine and Lebanon. I do not approved of any violence acts, either from Hamas, Hezbollah and even IDF on whatever pretext it may be. There should have been no excuses for any hostile actions on bothsides. That's about it.....

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

Now I don't know the answer here, but is it not possible that you are quoting Zionist scripture (or whatever this is) as far out of context as those who choose to knock Islam by pulling aya's and sunnah out selectively and maliciously?

I would also like to see you show some daleel on where it says in the the Torah or any text that Zionists hold sacred as to where it says to kill non-Jews.

I get sick and tired of those outside of our community making senseless hate points to besmurch the image of Islam. I would be VERY cross to find that there were members of our community doing the same. After all, Allah swt did indeed warn us of this very clearly......

I also get sick and tired of having to repeat myself. Read the whole thread and all links, if you had maybe you would've saved me the trouble of repeating my repetetions. I have got far more evidence then those contained in this thread so NO it is not out of context.

I am inciting hate towards evil, Zionism is evil and thats that unless you prove otherswise.

format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah

I also get sick and tired of having to repeat myself. Read the whole thread and all links, if you had maybe you would've saved me the trouble of repeating my repetetions. I have got far more evidence then those contained in this thread so NO it is not out of context.

I am inciting hate towards evil, Zionism is evil and thats that unless you prove otherswise.

Haha! A new Moslem clearly. Brother - patience is not only a virtue... May Allah swt reward your enthusiasm but grant you a little wisdom. Well, actually, you're due quite a bit of wisdom truth be told. But told it must be. Sorry.

So far you have provided NO evidence... None! Hehe! You quote sources which are either your hardly unbiased out-of-context interpretations and essays (and they are, let me assure you, out of context) or from whacko Christian sites!!! Again, hardly reliable, far from unbiased and hardly scientific.

If they are reliable in any way shape or form, it would appear that we Moslems worship the moon!!! http://biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

I recommend dictionary.com and look up the word 'evidence'. It makes a fascinating read.

I have read the whole thread. I actually read your other one and short of winding up the open-minded fellows who come to our site to gain a better understanding of Islam and Moslems, you achieved nothing but a self-important rant.

Brother, in all seriousness, what were you looking to achieve here? How were you making the world a better place or smoothing your own path to janna?

Now let me repeat myself - and with sabr it's not that hard! - get me some evidence that is acceptable and not just your own pre-pubscent regurgitations of websites promoting hatred.

Allah hafiz.

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

So far you have provided NO evidence... None! Hehe! You quote sources which are either your hardly unbiased out-of-context interpretations and essays (and they are, let me assure you, out of context) or from whacko Christian sites!!! Again, hardly reliable, far from unbiased and hardly scientific.
.

SO providing reference from the source of their belief and backing it up with facts from past actions of Israel is not Evidence for you? Care to prove how I am out of context If you are so sure since you have been mouthing off since your initial post on this thread?

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

Brother, in all seriousness, what were you looking to achieve here? How were you making the world a better place or smoothing your own path to janna?.

I believe I mentioned this already, It is to make everone aware of the evil of Zionism.

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

Now let me repeat myself - and with sabr it's not that hard! - get me some evidence that is acceptable and not just your own pre-pubscent regurgitations of websites promoting hatred.

Allah hafiz.

Brother in all Honesty, your 1st post showed prejudice, you assumed I am trying to make hate against a race or religion. In fact I admitted I am Inciting hate against Zionism. Secondly this prejudice led you to believe I have getting this from chrisitan websites, which is another wrong assumption.

You could say I made this as a challenge to see my accuracy. I am sure aother Jews have seen this thread and the evidence provided yet they didnn't say I am out of context or refute it.

If you know better, and clearly from your rude behaviour/words you believe you are superior, then please enlighten me. Clearly I may have offended you by saying I am sick of people making me repeat myself, I said this assuming they haven't read everything in the thread, so I aplogise if you did read it.

I will make it clear that unless my initial claims are refuted, I will not provide more evidence.

format_quote Originally Posted by WnbSlveOfAllah

SO providing reference from the source of their belief and backing it up with facts from past actions of Israel is not Evidence for you? Care to prove how I am out of context If you are so sure since you have been mouthing off since your initial post on this thread?

You have done neither. You have spouted bile, which may or may not be true - allahu allum. However, as someone who is either a very new Moslem or yet to reach puberty, you clearly do not understand... well, many things. But here, you have not presented evidence, you have presented conjecture*. Conjecture is not conclusive, and yet you draw conclusions. Oh dear. Regardless of whether or not you actually deserve a patient deconstruction of your over-enthusiastic work of 'art' it is my duty as your brother to give you one.

What I said was that the sources you are quoting are as useful as the ones those rather naughty anti-Moslem chappies who choose to extract pieces of Islam out of temporal or even syntactic context. Do yourself a favour (if this is still unclear to you) pop along to our moderator, Al-Ansar's website for a really very good (though I have to admit, sometimes over-emotive! ) selection of refutals of such malicious nonsense.

My own personal fave is this one from Baqara - And slay them wherever ye find them , and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out , for persecution is worse than slaughter. They always seem to miss out the end of that aya and indeed the 2 very important ones that follow.

Anyway, in short, that is what you are doing - presenting unfounded malicious nonsense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dishdash
Brother, in all seriousness, what were you looking to achieve here? How were you making the world a better place or smoothing your own path to janna?.

I believe I mentioned this already, It is to make everone aware of the evil of Zionism.

And do you honestly believe that this supposition and conjecture will earn you the pleasure of Allah swt? You need to seriously think about YOUR answer to this one.

Brother in all Honesty, your 1st post showed prejudice, you assumed I am trying to make hate against a race or religion.

Where? Or is this more conjecture?!

You could say I made this as a challenge to see my accuracy. I am sure aother Jews have seen this thread and the evidence provided yet they didnn't say I am out of context or refute it.

<sigh> and even if they did, is that evidence!? I have been to many forums - I just don't have the time to refute every misconception there is about Islam as much as I'd love to. It doesn't mean those misconceptions are true! In fact half the time, the absurdity of the misconception is so immense that I find it's probably a greater service to let them stand as monuments to stupidity! Makes us look great!

On a scale of 0 to 10 in such absurdity, yours would I daresay rank around an 8. Maybe Lavikor, as a Jew and an occupant of Haifa can kindly let us know why he did not comment. Or maybe (if we take what you are saying) he is too busy out killing non-Jews. ( oh and the blood on one's fingers makes typing so hard I find...)

It’s no wonder they are able to lie about the deaths of millions about the Holocaust or should I say Holohoax, designed to gather sympathy from the gullible west. More info here:

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm

http://christianparty.net/holocaust.htm

Like I say, these guys who you are referring to (and thanks for editing your post!) are hardly credible providers of evidence to your cause. Think they are? Check out this beaut... http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/moongod.htm

Now. What you wrote is highly offensive stuff. You would not hesitate, I am sure, to get all riled up if someone slandered Islam in the manner you have just done. Blimey - I would.

I will make it clear that unless my initial claims are refuted, I will not provide more evidence.

What do you mean more evidence?! Subhan'Allah! You haven't provided any?! And your response to not providing any evidence is - no more evidence!!!!

I did actually find this item of yours rather interesting...

Israel has the right to exist, but no right to invade lands, occupy lands which do not belong to them and kill Innocents. it is clear they do not intend to stop this injustice due to their Zionist belief.

IMHO Israel IS an occupied land - land which does not belong to them... or are you suggesting it exist somewhere else as you see it as some nebulous entity as opposed to a landmass? I'm really not too clear what you actually mean - could you please explain this seemingly self-contradicting statement?

If you know better, and clearly from your rude behaviour/words you believe you are superior, then please enlighten me. Clearly I may have offended you by saying I am sick of people making me repeat myself, I said this assuming they haven't read everything in the thread, so I aplogise if you did read it.

One can only be superior to another in terms of his deen. Allah hafiz. I certainly make no such claims. Oh and I'm not offended. As a father to 5 (no6 due any day now insh'Allah!) and a teacher to far far more, I have to deal with petulance on a daily basis. If people are repeatedly asking you to clarify, something needs clarified. It's quite simple really.

I have pulled you up on a very significant technicality. You should take a deep breath and actually think about what I am saying rather than get all defensive. I don't doubt the purity of your heart nor your intentions, but what you are doing here is wrong. It is my duty to point that out. We are told - do not slander the religion of others, for they will slander ours. By putting up hearsay, speculation, conjecture, gossip and links to hate-sites, you are not going to be scoring brownie points, that's for sure... In fact if you have nothing good to say, don't bother posting polls...

* http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/c/c0572000.html




Oh and one last thing - you said elsewhere you have more respect for reverts than born Moslems. As a revert, I find this accutely embarrassing. How about stopping with the differentiations. We are all Moslem alhamdulilah.