Muslim leaders in Western countries?

**Fishman** · 06-05-2007

What do you think?

**KAding** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by Goku

To my knowledge Shariah Law has to be voted for by the majority of the population and would work best if the majority is Muslim.

So on that case the role of Muslim leaders/politicians in a Western country should be limited to making Muslims life as comfortable as possible while at the same time accepting existing 'kaffir' institutions and lifestyles.

That sounds reasonable to me. I think a whole lot of Westerners would be distrustful of orthodox Muslim in politics though, since they fear a hidden agenda of Islamization and the eventual dominance of Islam.

**MTAFFI** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by Goku

To my knowledge Shariah Law has to be voted for by the majority of the population and would work best if the majority is Muslim.

That would certainly be the best way for it to be implemented, however from the many posts that I have seen on this forum and others, to a true Muslim it is unacceptable to accept or live under anything other than Shariah, and if they do they should strive to change that.

Of course, that is only the opinion of some and I am sure that there are Muslims out there that could hold a place in government, take Keith Ellison in Minnesota, he hasnt tried to overthrow anyone or change anything about the democratic process. Here is a short article about it if you already didnt know.

**- Qatada -** · 06-08-2007

Hey.

I think some people are getting alot of misunderstandings, so i'll just try to clarify some points.

If we live in a non muslim state, we don't try to overthrow the governments. If they allow us to practise our religion freely, we are permitted to stay there and that is that.

However, if this state does not allow the believers to practise their religion freely - then it is their duty to make hijrah (emigrate to another land where they are allowed to practise their religion freely.)

The muslims themselves can unite however in a land where they can create their own state, i.e. Medina for example - when the Messenger of God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) settled within Medina, many muslims had migrated there already and accepted him whole-heartedly, because they wanted to worship God Alone, instead of the oppressive regimes of the former times, so they accepted God's final Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was known for his honesty and trustworthiness, infact he was titled with them names.

He was appointed as their leader. Then he settled there with them after migrating himself from Makkah, and he established justice among the muslims aswell as the other religious minorities who lived within that state.

I hope you understand, and to make my point once more - we don't want to overthrow the government or anything related to that. Since they allow us to practise Islaam freely, and the praise is for Allaah for giving us the ability to do so.

Regards.

**MTAFFI** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by Plexus

assalamu alaykum

Allah (saw) gave the world to Muslim's so the non-muslim's are trespassing and as well repressing them by not allowing shariah.

The ummah must wait until strong enough to throw the infidel out, just as Mohammad (pbuh) did in Mecca when he was strong enough.

this is exactly why Muslims will never hold a high place in government in the west

**- Qatada -** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by MTAFFI

this is exactly why Muslims will never hold a high place in government in the west

First of all, please try to see things in context. If you never noticed, it was the pagans themselves who broke their side of the treaty with the muslims (which was peace from both sides - the muslims and polytheists), so because the polytheists broke their side of the treaty, what were the muslims supposed to do? Stick to it and get harmed even more? Makkah fell into the hands of the muslims. And even then, there was rarely any bloodshed at all.

At that time in history, the people who were 'taken over' would become slaves to the rulers, whereas God's Messenger, Muhammad (peace be upon him) forgave them all for the severe torture which these people had given the muslims previously - when they never had a state. And all of them were given equal rights, whether they were the lowest class in society, or if they were the nobles. Whereas before this, the low class of society would remain oppressed, and the oppressors would remain in power.

Also, the world belongs to God/Allaah, and He will give it to those who are Just. This is why the believers were strong and had authority in the land when they were just, when they stopped their justice, Allaah removed it from their grasp and gave it to others for a temporary while.

Take this into notice also - the fact that those who don't like the justice of Islaam are willing to overthrow Islamic governments, so they shouldn't find it shocking if the opposite was to occur. And my previous post will also clarify many things also.

And Allaah knows best.

Regards.

**England** · 06-08-2007

I would never vote for a muslim leader. I love dressing the way I choose, I love my music, I love my freedom of speech, I love to flirt with women, I love democracy. If ever there was a muslim leader running my country then we can say goodbye to freedom. We can say goodbye to life.

**Fishman** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by England

I would never vote for a muslim leader. I love dressing the way I choose, I love my music, I love my freedom of speech, I love to flirt with women, I love democracy. If ever there was a muslim leader running my country then we can say goodbye to freedom. We can say goodbye to life.

What if the Muslim candidate did not plan to introduce Shariah law? Would you still not vote for them?

**England** · 06-08-2007

Originally Posted by Fishman

What if the Muslim candidate did not plan to introduce Shariah law? Would you still not vote for them?

No because I would not trust him. The majority of muslims are in favour of the Sharia Law. I also believe that he would ban anything that would be haram to his religion, ie: men and women flirting, music, shorts, t-shirts, nationalism, more rights for muslims and little for non-muslims. It goes on. you know what I'm saying.

**Amadeus85** · 06-08-2007

I think that there would be muslim leaders in West, not now but in next 25, 30 years when Europe divides into ethnic christian and muslim areas, for example future caliphate of Marseille or Brussels.

**abumusa** · 06-25-2007

We have Taghoot in our lands, what would we achieve here?

Altho i agree it is permissable to use democracy to prevent bigger evil.

**Israa** · 06-29-2007

Originally Posted by Sami Zaatari

its good to have a muslim president, let him make martial law, throw the consititution out, and establish sharia law MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

lol that sounded nice thats what robert spencer and fox news would love to hear. they would screammmmmmmmmmm seeeeeeeeeeee look!

You must be joking, even i would not vote for a Muslim for presidency or to be PM if his aim was to establish Sharia law.