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    An Acehnese girl waits her family at a temporary school in a refugee camp in Banda Aceh. (Reuters)







    CAIRO, January 13 (IslamOnline.net) - Giving credence to fears that Christain missionaries are exploiting the tsunami distaster to proselytize poor and needy Muslims, The Washington Post reported Thursday, January 13, that a US missionary group plans to christianize 300 Muslim children from the Indonesian province of Aceh.


    While many religious charities have policies against proselytizing, Virginia-based WorldHelp is an exception raisning money among evangelical Christians by presenting the tsunami as a rare opportunity to make converts in hard-to-reach areas, said the American daily.
    “Normally, Banda Aceh is closed to foreigners and closed to the gospel,” the missionary group said in a fund appeal on its Web site, according to the Post.
    “But, because of this catastrophe, our partners there are earning the right to be heard and providing entrance for the gospel.”


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    stressed that the Web site was changed, and the appeal was removed after a reporter called to inquire about it.


    At least 156,000 people have been confirmed killed, thousands missing and millions displaced in several Asian countries in tidal waves triggered by a 9.0 magnitude undersea earthquake - the world’s biggest in 40 years - which struck deep in the Indian Ocean off the west coast of Indonesia’s Sumatra Island.
    Indonesia, the world's most populous Muslim country, lost 110,229 people to the killer sea surges.
    The Indonesian government estimated that 35,000 children have been made homeless, orphaned or separated from their parents in Aceh, where Muslims make up 98 percent of the population.


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    In its fund-raising appeal, WorldHelp said it was working with Indonesian Christians who want to “plant Christian principles as early as possible” in the 300 Muslim children, all under 12.
    Rev. Vernon Brewer, president of WorldHelp in Forest, Va., said they raised about 70,000 dollars and were seeking an additional 350,000 dollars to build the Christian orphanage.
    John Budd, UNICEF Indonesia Communication Officer, said last week that UNICEF's Malaysian office had received an SMS advertising 300 orphans from Aceh aged between three and ten who could be bought.
    “It's chilling…What this indicates is that they have got children or they have a network where they can identify a child and take them,” he said.
    Also in reaction to the increasing missionary work, an anonymous electronic text message spread through Indonesia this week.
    “Please ask among friends who would like to adopt orphans from Aceh. 300 orphans coming soon. Need Muslim homes. Christian missionaries want them. Pls help!” it read.


    Immediately after the tidal waves devastated several countries, a number of Christian missionary groups rushed to the affected areas to offer not only relief aid, but more importantly spiritual counseling .




    Gospel for Asia, a group seeking to train and send 100,000 native missionaries into the most unreached areas of Asia, was working around the clock to bring food, clean water, medicines, clothing, shelter, and spiritual counseling “in the name of Jesus” to those who lost everything in the killer tidal waves.




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    Acehnese children reach for pencils at a school in a makeshift refugee camp in Banda Aceh. (Reuters)





    Brewer, a Baptist minister, claimed that the Indonesian government gave permission for the orphans to be flown to Jakarta and was aware that they would be raised as Christians.
    Indonesian Vice President Yusuf Kalla announced last week a ban on adoption amid alarming reports about human traffickers spiriting children out of Aceh.
    He said the children would be placed in orphanages run by the government, Islamic foundations or Muslim boarding schools.
    The government also said that children under the age of 16 would not be allowed to leave Aceh without their parents.
    Rev. Arthur Keys, president of International Relief and Development in Arlington, Va., feared overt evangelizing could produce a backlash.
    “I think there's a danger that all international groups could be tarnished by this,” said Keys, an ordained minister in the United Church of Christ.
    “I think we have to go out of our way to assure people that we're there to help, period.”
    Indonesia asked all foreign troops to leave the country by March 26, a day after the army imposed sweeping restrictions on foreign aid workers in Aceh amid reports that some evangelical groups are mixing Christian missionary work with humanitarian aid.
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan View Post
    so actually yes islam is very differnt because muslims dont convert people
    they dont say hey lil hungry boy if you want this peice of bread you have to be muslim
    like some missionaries do in most poor countries
    altho i have to say that the muslims are not nearly as active as the cristian missonaries which is sad to me

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    format_quote Originally Posted by MRR View Post
    Hi Vahid,
    Well actually, depending on where they live, when they grow up if they decide to leave islam they could be put to death. Elsewhere they at least would suffer being disowned from the family. Not really much choice. Raised as muslim, grow up, can't leave islam. No choice.
    in non muslim countries they are free to do as they wish, what their parents dose is their own choice, some parents disown their kids after they become Muslims too. in a islamic state however it is a crime to change religion from Islam AND declare it to cause trouble
    There are threads in refutation section that deal with this in ALOT more detail so refer to them
    Refer here http://www.islamicboard.com/refutati...-apostasy.html

    Can you provide evidence of this please?
    Here is one stating different charities helping out. islamic groups are part of it but it doesn’t list the contribution amounts
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/4131881.stm
    However in that time after the tsunami BBC news was reporting on how Islamists (as they like to call them) was doing the majority of help and it wasn’t sitting well with them
    As far as the accusations go, the article is from islamonline. So it is an unreliable source when it comes to views on christianity, and christian work, as it is quite biased against christians.
    they quote witnesses and government officials, and i disagree i think they are reliable in their sources however the language is religiously based obviously
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    I would imagine a child born into a Muslim family as hardly any choice of choosing his/her religion, as said above when they grow up if they did decide to leave Islam they have a very good chance of being disowned or worse.
    I would also guess that the children born into any faith have that faith drummed into there head so much and grow up pretty closed minded, and fearful of there “god”.

    I would love a world where no one (even from birth) was forced into a religion and given the choice of what to believe in when older enough to think for him/herself.

    As far as these orphans are concerned I’m glad there getting some sort of help even it is in exchange for Christian love. It seems Christians are the only group who are actively helping others from outside there faith.
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    format_quote Originally Posted by j4763 View Post
    It seems Christians are the only group who are actively helping others from outside there faith.
    This is an important point. It seems that christians are being persecuted for helping those that are not christian. Is it wrong to help those that are not of the same faith. If they went there and set up aid stations and said "only christians", what would some of you say then? It is like they can't win. Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
    Anyway, I have a couple of christian friends that spent time helping in aid groups in other countries. They say these allegations are rediculous. They help every person that needs help, and turn noone away. Muslim or christian.
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Thanks you for this article.
    Your comments on it have been very interesting.

    I am trying to unpick to differences/similarities between Islam and Christianity in terms of spreading the faith.
    Like snakelegs, I have never had any Muslims come to my door to convert me ... but then I have never had any Christians do that either. I do get people trying to sell double glazing or feather dusters for charity ...

    In both, Muslims and Christians alike, I detect a desire to talk about and share their faith. Would you agree?
    With the conviction that those who do not share our belief in 'our' God will go to hell, comes a desire to 'save' those un-believers, especially those who are close to our hearts and who we love! Would you agree?
    I would even go further and say, that Islam and Christianity give us a certain responsibility to share our faith, so that non-believers may see the truth for themselves and follow the right path. Would you agree?

    Where, then, do we draw the line?

    Most Christian aid groups I know have strict policies on evangelising (largely perhaps, because they are monitored by secular organisations ).

    I am trying to get a grasp of how Muslim aid groups would deal with a situation of orphaned (non-Muslim) children.
    Let's assume a Muslim charity is working in a non-Muslim country where there are a large number of orphans.
    What to do with them?
    Make sure they are raised in the faith they are accustomed to? (Despite your own misgivings that this is the wrong belief?)
    Make sure they are raised in the Muslim faith? (Which you believe is the right one?)
    Not get involved with non-believers?


    On a slightly different level, how do you feel about this situation:
    The church I am involved in, runs a children's group once a week (ages 7 -14) The area I live in is urban, and fairly poor, so having activities for children is always welcome.
    The group involves plenty of fun and activites, some sweets (so it's highly attractive to the children) ... and some quiet learning about Jesus' life and Christian values.
    Before children join the group, it is made very clear to the parents that it is run by a church, based on Christian values, and will include some Christian teachings. Parents have to give their consent before children can join. A sheet with a Bible verse goes home every week, so parents are aware of what is going on at any time. Many non-Christian children - including Muslims - come.

    What do you think?
    Is our church right to do this?
    Are we 'exploiting' the need of the community for children's activities to spread our faith?
    Should such groups be run by non-religious organisations only?
    Should the local mosque offer a similar group?


    I let you ponder ...

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Thank you, sonz

    Are these links in response to my previous post? If so, I have to tell you that I don't have the time to follow all these links.
    I also very much enjoy and learn from direct human exchange of views.
    Can you share you own views with me?

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Vahid, when Iqram used the word “revert” I assumed he was talking about someone rejoining the Muslim faith.

    Well, whoever forces one to revert to Islam, that is not Islam”.

    What did you think he meant when he used the word “revert”?

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    format_quote Originally Posted by nimrod View Post
    Vahid, when Iqram used the word “revert” I assumed he was talking about someone rejoining the Muslim faith.

    Well, whoever forces one to revert to Islam, that is not Islam”.

    What did you think he meant when he used the word “revert”?

    Thanks
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    Muslims refer to conversion as reversion, because everybody is born Muslim.
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Ahh, I see.

    I was un-aware of that, thanks for the heads-up.

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    AsalamuAlaykyum,

    jazakhala for post!

    That's sad and mean though :'(

    Ameen to the du'as

    WalaykumSalaam.
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    Salam walakum wa rahamtuAllah wa barakatoh .
    i wish i could take them All in..
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Dear Nem!

    What you have written is plainly beyond the understanding of a simple and truthful soul like me! It is all blah...blah...blah... All hollow words and no substance. The poor Jesus could not save himself from being hanged from the tree (as claimed in one of the four gospels) so how could he save us from the clutches of any tyrany.

    The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth. They are making a mockery of humanity. Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other) are converting Christians from one sect to another sect also. When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes. He of course forgot how the Catholic Church itself has committed genocide of innocent native Red Indians completely wiping them out of this world.

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    format_quote Originally Posted by bandoo View Post
    The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth.
    Really? What is the evidence? And why aren't you condemning Muslims for doing the same? The Malaysians will pay Muslim men if they marry Orang Asli women and convert them to Islam. Even give them housing, an allowance and a car. Care to condemn that?

    They are making a mockery of humanity. Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other) are converting Christians from one sect to another sect also. When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes. He of course forgot how the Catholic Church itself has committed genocide of innocent native Red Indians completely wiping them out of this world.
    What nonsense is this? Where is the evidence of the Catholic Church ever committing genocide against innocent Native Americans? And again, why pick on the Catholics - where are the indigenous peoples of Pakistan? Where are the people who lived in Baluchistan before the Balochs?
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    Im sure this happens to tons of young muslims. But 300 is quite a big batch.
    Woulda been nice to raise them under islamic principles as they are clearly the highest and best but Allahu Allam, non can misguide those whom Allah guides!

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    well they can all come to my home LOL i will raise them to be muslim, we need to build a islamic community here . INSHALLAH
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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do. But apart from a few we dont seem to be doing so. we are a very big muslim ummah yet we cant even help and feed the poor, take in the orpans, help the widowed. I swear us muslims have to unite. this is the only way we can show our mercy to the rest of the world. if we all united and had an islamic state inshallah there would be none of this happening. but we cant see face to face and it true and shameful that we have enmity in regards to colour and background.

    I know its probably not so easy and straightforward but the muslim ummah should have one big umbrella kind of humantitarian organisation, instead of 100s of difdferent ones. they should come together and share their ideas, on how to help the poor and bring all the projects together. if we cant unite on aspects of faith we as an ummah, a nation can at least unite for the poor, sick, the orphan and those less fortunate than us.
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    Isaac "Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do".

    Thank you for stating this.

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    format_quote Originally Posted by bandoo View Post
    The poor Jesus could not save himself from being hanged from the tree (as claimed in one of the four gospels) so how could he save us from the clutches of any tyrany.
    - it was cross not tree, claimed in all 4 gospels. just to be precises.

    format_quote Originally Posted by bandoo View Post
    The Christian missionaries everywhere are purchasing the religions of poor people of other religions in exchange of money, jobs, medical aid, etc That is the truth. They are making a mockery of humanity.
    do you believe that faith can be "bought"? i mean "real faith". i always thought is a choice of soul.

    format_quote Originally Posted by bandoo View Post
    Interestingly, the various Christian sects (which hate each other)
    - hate? i never knew i hate them... But thanks to bandoo i have learned something about my own feelings

    format_quote Originally Posted by bandoo View Post
    When the Pentacostals converted the Roman Catholic nation of Guatemala into a Pentacostal Christian nation the Pope was livid with anger and cursed these fellow Christians as Wolves in the white clothes.
    - any source, quotes bandoo?

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    Re: 300 Muslim Tsunami Orphans to be Christianized: Report

    format_quote Originally Posted by nimrod View Post
    Isaac "Salam. You know what brothers and sisters i hate to sound so blunt, but its our own fault. The christian groups are doing what Muhammed pbuh taught us and urged us to do".

    Thank you for stating this.

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    its quite true.. anyway how are the christians doing this? Where are the muslims? This is indeed our fault

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