Hijaab and rape...

format_quote Originally Posted by muzna

when he said 'how's life in Cardiff' i think he was jokingly suggesting that life is tough in cardiff or life and cardiff dont compliment each other

lol ok, i dont know why he would say that though, except if there is a city in australia called cardiff which happens to be rough!

format_quote Originally Posted by Moss

whats an oxymoron?

Anyway, i agree with you the commands of Allah are down to his divine wisdom, and we may not understand it fully. But usually there is evident wisdom shown.

And also, it actually says in the Qur'an, Allah instructs women to cover to prevent molestation. So it does stop rape, because thats the reaosn allah ordained it

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

Molest does not mean rape. Women with the veil CAN be raped - the hijaab stops nothing. Besides, this is not exactly the intent of the Qur'an here...

Al-Azhab in this case should be read in Arabic (one of the problems of reading translations akhi is exactly this) There is no exact English translation but the phrase essentially means she will not be annoyed, stressed, troubled, trialled etc. It is not a reference to rape prevention. You are filling in a gap with your own interpretation. And on this point I again urge my brothers and sisters to be very careful in quoting ayas from the Qur'an in English (indeed at all) without a firm understanding of the actual Arabic versions. You end up changing the meaning, regardless of where your intentions are.

As you have done here.

Allah hafiz.

Sorry about that, but in my defence all i did was state Dr naik's interpretaion of it

5. Hijaab prevents molestation


The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

From http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

The aayah above is showing that the hijab is a screen 'that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs.'


And without this hijab, it can cause fitnah which does affect the heart and this is the reason why Allaah Almighty may have made it important for the women to cover their adornments, and for both parties to lower their gaze, because without both of these acts, it can cause corruption - like it is seen as so much in the west.

Sorry bro - you are also quoting from Azhar not Taubah...

format_quote Originally Posted by Moss

lol ok, i dont know why he would say that though, except if there is a city in australia called cardiff which happens to be rough!

I say that cos I've been there! Rough as nuts it is! Not as bad as Bridgend though mind!

I'd love to hear a good strong Welsh baritone make the adhan though...

format_quote Originally Posted by Moss

Sorry about that, but in my defence all i did was state Dr naik's interpretaion of it

5. Hijaab prevents molestation


The reason why Hijaab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verses of Surah Al-Ahzab:

"O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
[Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijaab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.

From http://www.irf.net/irf/faqonislam/index.htm

Yusuf Ali also says molested. But it is the inadequacy of the English language that necessitates our lerning of God's words in Arabic. Reading QUr'an in English is simply a tool and a means to an end - learning and comprehending the QUr'an as it was relayed to the Rasool is our end insh'Allah.

So I return to the point - hijaab does not prevent rape.

format_quote Originally Posted by dishdash

So I return to the point - hijaab does not prevent rape.

yeah of course it doesn't, hijabis still get raped, but it reduces the chances of molestation and rape. It brings modesty and thats the wisdom behind it, i'm sure there are many infinite more

format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah

jazak Allaah khayr for pointin that out bro.


But anyway, some common sense - if two females (one with the full abaya, and the other with western clothing.) both were walking in the street, and there was a rapist there - the chance of the rapist attacking the western dressed woman would be more likely?

The Zakir Naik approach, i like it!

From What Rapists Look for in a Victim
http://www.criminalsbehindbars.com/info/notargets.html
The #1 thing men look for in a potential victim is hairstyle. They are most likely to go after a woman with a ponytail, bun, braid, or other hairstyle that can easily be grabbed.

They are also likely to go after a woman with long hair. Women with short hair are not common targets.
-Women often wear these kinds of hairstyles under hijab, and the lump is often noticeable, if you're looking closely. And cultural preferences for long hair don't help.
The #2 thing men look for is clothing. They will look for women who's clothing is easy to remove quickly.
Abayas often have velcro closings, and jilbabs often open quite easily- part of the reason why I hate wearing them- they will open with a few steps.
The #1 outfit they look for is overalls because many of them carry scissors around to cut clothing and on overalls the straps can be easily cut.

They also look for women on their cell phone, searching through their purse or doing other activities while walking because they are off guard and can be easily overpowered.

The time of day men are most likely to attack and rape a woman is in the early morning, between 5 and 8:30 a.m.

The number one place women are abducted from/attacked at is grocery store parking lots.

Number two is office parking lots/garages.

Number three is public restrooms.
-This could be anyone- look out!
The thing about these men is that they are looking to grab a woman and quickly move her to a second location where they don't have to worry about getting caught.

Only 2% said they carried weapons because rape carries a 3-5 year sentence but rape with a weapon is 15-20 years.

If you put up any kind of a fight at all, they get discouraged because it only takes a minute or two for them to realize that going after you isn't worth it because it will be time-consuming.

These men said they will not pick on women who have umbrellas, or other similar objects that can be used from a distance, in their hands.

Keys are not a deterrent because you have to get really close to the attacker to use them as a weapon.

So, the idea is to convince these guys you're not worth it.

Some self-defense mechanisms are:

* If someone is following behind you on a street or in a garage or with you in an elevator or stairwell, look them in the face and ask them a question, like what time is it, or make general small talk, I can't believe it is so cold out here, we're in for a bad winter. Now you've seen their face and could identify them in a lineup, you lose appeal as a target.

* If someone is coming toward you, hold out your hands in front of you and yell Stop or Stay back! Most of the rapists said they'd leave a woman alone if she yelled or showed that she would not be afraid to fight back. Again, they are looking for an EASY target.

* If you carry pepper spray, yelling "I HAVE PEPPER SPRAY" and holding it out will be a deterrent.

* If someone grabs you, you can't beat them with strength but you can by outsmarting them. If they grab your wrist, pull your wrist back so your hand is in waving position (palm facing forward) and twist it toward yourself and pull your arm away. It is hard to hold onto wrist bones that are moving in that way. They stumble toward you and you stumble back, so you can use that momentum to bring the same out and backhand them with your knuckles in the forehead, nose, or teeth.

* If you are grabbed around the waist from behind, pinch the attacker either under the arm between the elbow and armpit or in the upper inner thigh. HARD. One woman said that she used the underarm pinch on a guy who was trying to date rape her and was so upset she broke through the skin and tore out muscle strands - the guy needed stitches. (Try pinching yourself in those places as hard as you can stand it. It hurts.)

* After the initial hit, always go for the groin. If you hit a guy's testicles, it is extremely painful. You might think that you'll make him angry and make him want to hurt you more, but the thing these rapists told us, is that they want a woman who will not cause a lot of trouble. Start causing trouble and he's out of there.

* When the guy puts his hands up to you, grab his first two fingers and bend them back as far as possible with as much pressure pushing down on them as possible.

Of course the things we always hear still apply. Always be aware of your surroundings, take someone with you if you can, and if you see any odd behavior, don't dismiss it, go with your instincts. You may feel a little silly at the time, but you'd feel much worse if the guy really was trouble.
Hmm... it doesn't say anything about covering up being more of a protection.

format_quote Originally Posted by Joe98

Who holds that position?

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Sheikh Feiz Muhammad

format_quote Originally Posted by ~Mu'MiNaH~

so dishdash what do you think is the reason for sisters wearing hijab, if not to protect them?

Even thought this question wasnt directed at me,i would like to have a go at answering it

The way i see it,a Hijab is for covering a womans beauty,to stop men from perving on the female.

But it is not a shield,even a woman wearing a hijab can be raped.

I've heard of so many rape incidents all around the world,and when the pictures of the victims are revealed,they are not christina aguilera/pamela anderson lookalikes.

So i dont think Rapists care about what the female looks like,so wether a lady is wearing a hijab or not doesnt matter to the rapist.

I cant imagine a rapist stopping and thinking "daymn...shes wearing hijab,shes a muslimah,..i better not.."



wa'salaam.

mashallah
thnx for sharin