Does God change his mind?

No creature is to worship anything other then Allah.

From what I have read he certaintly does, take one example: When God commanded Ibilis (Shaitan-Satan) to Prostrate towards Adam God broke the divine law of history's self proclaimed stewart.
 
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When God commanded Ibilis (Shaitan-Satan) to Prostrate towards Adam...
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...God knew that Iblis was not going to prostrate! He is Omnipotent!

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And the Angels?

I’m sorry to point this out but Omnipotent means to be all-powerful. Omniscience is what means to be all knowing.

In any case God has still committed a sin by giving the command itself sealed the sin. Whether Shaitan is sinful enough to follow God into sin by breaking Gods law is the real question.
 
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Thats what i meant...its 8.35 in the morning, giv me sum credit!! :rollseyes

How can God commit a sin?! Now ur just totallly killing da whole situation!

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Personally I think it's pointless debating with disbelievers and those who think they have the right to question God's will. It's futile, because only Allah guides who He wills.

I am satisfied that Allah will answer all your questions on the Day and answer them in a way that will be remembered for eternity. Muslims are being dragged into these pointless discussions rather than gaining more knowledge about their deen.

Muslim brothers and sisters, on-going debates only lead to blasphemous comments from non believers. Who needs it? Remember, we cannot change anyone's thinking until Allah wills it. And when He wills it, He opens the doors for them.

Let's spend our time and energy increasing our knowledge and helping our brothers and sisters who are needy or lost. There's a difference between giving dawah and trying to refute something that someone so adamantly believes. I hope you all agree with me - salam.
 
trying to refute something that someone so adamantly believes.
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Thats my line.

Personally I think it's pointless debating with disbelievers and those who think they have the right to question God's will. It's futile, because only Allah guides who He wills.
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No debate worth its subject is pointless, I think debating with believers goes nowhere unless there's a monopoly for your conversion but I still debate and still communicate that’s what keeps me from ignorance. But you can have it your way as you just entered the debate whether you realized it or not.

As for the debate at hand, its still unanswered if I am wrong then my argument is wrong. Yet however it's been completely avoided and dodged. Why not answer the question? Are you afraid you might come to a realization? I know what its like to be stubborn try as we like doctrine binds us to strongly.
 
SilentObserver said:
Does God change his mind? Wouldn't he know what he wanted from the start?
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By asking the second question, you have assumed the answer to the first question is positive. This entire process demonstrates that you are attributing human imperfections to something that theists believe is perfect.

But because humans are inherently imperfect, we may only know perfection in the frame of imperfection. I mean, for instance, I might get 100% in an exam, but that's not necessarily a perfectly written exam. What I'm trying to say is, God is simply other. If you believe in God, you know that when it comes to God's will, you know nothing.

And for the record, I don't believe that God changes his mind, despite how things may appear to us. We make conclusions based on what we can see and what we can record, but we can never possibly see and record everything. We create our own contexts based on what we experience. Those who believe in God believe that God knows the one true context since God is omniscient.
 
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God only does what befits His Majesty. :) So whatever happens, God already knows it will happen. And the argument about satan is that God gave him the freedom of choice, and because satan chose to disobey God - then that lead to his own destruction and loss. Whoever follows his way will see similar consequences. We seek refuge in Allaah from falling into that. ameen.
 
SilentObserver said:
Does God change his mind? Wouldn't he know what he wanted from the start?
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yes god knew what he wanted from the start.

we change our minds god does not.

Kyubi said:
No creature is to worship anything other then Allah.

From what I have read he certaintly does, take one example: When God commanded Ibilis (Shaitan-Satan) to Prostrate towards Adam God broke the divine law of history's self proclaimed stewart.
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man was created superior to the angels and jinn, angles have no free will.. jinns will be judged the same as men and both have free will. so god did not break his own law by commanding them to prostrate befor Adam, it was only to aknowledge the superiority of man.

Kyubi said:
And the Angels?

I’m sorry to point this out but Omnipotent means to be all-powerful. Omniscience is what means to be all knowing.

In any case God has still committed a sin by giving the command itself sealed the sin. Whether Shaitan is sinful enough to follow God into sin by breaking Gods law is the real question.
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id say god posseses both attributes you have mentioned and what better measure to test man against than subbourness and vanity.. attributes id say fit ibliss perfectly.

in the end it realy does come down to good vs evil.. and evil is weak in the face of good. good can come from all people, gods will will be done.. no matter if we believe in him or not, we will stay on the earth for a time appointed and then death comes but as an excuse. this may come across as a bit of a nieve view of the world but it helps me maintain humility in front of people that in honesty cannot stand me or my faith.
 
Regarding God changing his mind...I have been wondering this for awhile: What about the story about how when the Prophet Mohamed took his journey into heaven, and Allah told him to have people pray 50 times a day, but then Moses told him that would be too much, so he went back and asked for 5 and Allah. Is that an authentic Hadith? Doesn't it seem a bit odd that people could "bargin" with Allah?
 


Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Allah Tala does NOT change His mind. He has not fully disclosed His plan to us, thus it seems to us that He has changed His mind, when, for example, He abrogates an law and reveals a new one. Allah has His own timetable which we have no knowledge of.

According to Bible, Abraham (alaihi salam) repeatedly supplicated to God to reduce the number for the condition that Sodom would not be destroyed. First it was fifty, than it went down to ten. I wander what the Christian interpretation of this is.
 
Talha777 said:


Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Allah Tala does NOT change His mind. He has not fully disclosed His plan to us, thus it seems to us that He has changed His mind, when, for example, He abrogates an law and reveals a new one. Allah has His own timetable which we have no knowledge of.

According to Bible, Abraham (alaihi salam) repeatedly supplicated to God to reduce the number for the condition that Sodom would not be destroyed. First it was fifty, than it went down to ten. I wander what the Christian interpretation of this is.
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But we believe that Allah has fully disclosed His plans in Quran. We also believe that He doesn't change His rules. However, some basic rules were changed in Quran itself. There're some difference in rules in Madni Ahyas (Ahyas that were revealed in madina) than the Macci Ahyas.
 
no God doesn't change his mind.. he's perfect!!

that's coming from a christian perspective though.. i believe that muslims do believe he changes his mind, since the qu'ran talks about abrogation. but i'm no muslim so i have no credibility when it comes to islam lol
 

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