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    Re: unforgivable sins (OP)


    I See you all woner wat sins are unforgiven to your God? I am new to the muslim faith and i dont ever intend to follow it. I am a firm believer in Christ Jesus, and that he was the son of God and the saviour to all men.

    Im sure most of you know the basis of christianity, we believe our God is the true living God as do you, and that our God is all perfect and sinless, that he cannot look upon sin, guess what man sinned! Oh no boy are we in trouble? going agaisnt an all mighty God who quite frankly, alough he is loving and merciful, has to punish. But God said to himself, i dont want to punish them because they fall, so he sent Jesus Christ, his only begotten son (John 3:16), that whoever believed in his name, should not perish but have everlasting life.

    Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.

    So anyway back to the point, if a man rapes a woman, shud the court say, ""there is no punishment for this crime if u say u will repent from it"" no! thats not acceptable, the man should be punished. So what i am asking is, does allah punish sin? if he does, we are all in big trouble and hes not a merciful God, but if he doesnt, ow can a God so good look upon unclean souls as us men? Jesus paid the punishment, My God loves me, and every1 of you, despite what u believe, forgive me for preaching. Take care! :-)

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    Re: Sinning

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    Yesh and are you askin if I want to go into the story?
    If u can be bothered. lol.

    Im interested to hear what brought u to christianity, what experiences u had through it and why u changed.

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    Re: Sinning

    I have most of this week off, so if I can get round to it I will write something with regards to my contact with Christianity.

    Summer is also coming so I should be more free to write in-depth type of stuff, instead of a paragraph in response
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    Re: Sinning

    awsome mate,theres no rush.

    God bless.

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    Re: Sinning

    Salaam

    Wow we got some real lectures on our hands

    this thread is starting to feel like a sunday sermon at a local church

    what was the whole topic of this thread again ????????

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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan View Post
    Salaam

    Wow we got some real lectures on our hands

    this thread is starting to feel like a sunday sermon at a local church

    what was the whole topic of this thread again ????????

    Peace

    Well sis, if you would zoom at the topic title, it states, 'sinning'.

    And The 1st poster was askin with regards to the islamic view or something.
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    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan View Post
    Salaam

    Wow we got some real lectures on our hands

    this thread is starting to feel like a sunday sermon at a local church

    what was the whole topic of this thread again ????????

    Peace
    this may be received as offending sister
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    Re: Sinning

    ...regardless of the word "peace" at the end.
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    Re: Sinning

    Salaam

    Thannx Issaabdullah I knew that what i meant was that this is waaaaaaayyyyy off topic now ( in my own way)

    And Sister sumeya i dont understand why that would be offensive???
    i dont sugar coat things .......if thats what u are looking for...

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    Re: Sinning

    P.s

    Issaabdullah the first post was 13 pages ago .....just to emphasize my point
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    This the exact thing us Sikhs believe of our scriptures
    I don't know anything about Sikhs. I will read the thread.
    Last edited by Tania; 06-11-2006 at 06:09 PM.
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by mara View Post
    I don't know anything about Sikhs. I will read the thread.
    Thought i'd provide the link

    http://allaboutsikhs.com/basics/intro-03.htm
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    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
    The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by 4-Christ-Alone View Post
    And also could u post some verses about pauls teachings being different to Jesus', Could you make an example mate?
    I just came across this and if you want to see a few examples of Paul's teachings differing from that of Jesus, pbuh, you can go to this thread, post number 25, as it has been discussed already:

    CLICK HERE

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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan View Post
    why that would be offensive???
    i dont sugar coat things

    I have jus kinda come back after a couple of days so im not sure where im staiding but anyhow.

    I think the bit about sunday sermon at the church, part was mento be the offending bit thought I dont get what was ment by it.
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    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by IsaAbdullah View Post
    I have jus kinda come back after a couple of days so im not sure where im staiding but anyhow.



    I dont get what was ment by it.
    Than maybe u should hold ur thought!

    Now if u dont get what was ment by my statement how can u say it was meant to offend

    ARE U SEEING HOW WRONG THAT SOUNDS????
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by Quruxbadaan View Post
    Than maybe u should hold ur thought!

    Now if u dont get what was ment by my statement how can u say it was meant to offend

    ARE U SEEING HOW WRONG THAT SOUNDS????
    I am saying, that the part about the sunday church thing was maybe seen as offending, Not by me, I didnt say it was but I was saying maybe it was something to do with that that people saw offensive, even though I dont know what it means.

    So I dont think it sounds wrong what I said.
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    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi
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    Re: Sinning

    okay people lets get back to the actual topic being discussed here!
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    Re: Sinning

    format_quote Originally Posted by ya_Giney View Post
    okay people lets get back to the actual topic being discussed here!
    Theres still a topic?
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    The path is long but I hope we meet,
    After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.

    A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
    If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.

    Your Bro. Abu Hurayra, al-Habeshi
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    Re: unforgivable sins

    format_quote Originally Posted by 4-Christ-Alone View Post
    I See you all woner wat sins are unforgiven to your God? I am new to the muslim faith and i dont ever intend to follow it. I am a firm believer in Christ Jesus, and that he was the son of God and the saviour to all men.

    Im sure most of you know the basis of christianity, we believe our God is the true living God as do you, and that our God is all perfect and sinless, that he cannot look upon sin, guess what man sinned! Oh no boy are we in trouble? going agaisnt an all mighty God who quite frankly, alough he is loving and merciful, has to punish. But God said to himself, i dont want to punish them because they fall, so he sent Jesus Christ, his only begotten son (John 3:16), that whoever believed in his name, should not perish but have everlasting life.

    Now this makes sense to me, but this is not why i choose to follow christ, i like the story of superman but i dnt follow him, i decided to follow christ when he called me and i felt that supernatural feeling as accepting him as my lord and saviour and the son of God, Now any1 can say what they want about God or Jesus, about if they exsist, or who they really were, but no1 can ever take away the feelings and emotions Jesus has given me over my time as a christian, no1 can take away my testimony.

    So anyway back to the point, if a man rapes a woman, shud the court say, ""there is no punishment for this crime if u say u will repent from it"" no! thats not acceptable, the man should be punished. So what i am asking is, does allah punish sin? if he does, we are all in big trouble and hes not a merciful God, but if he doesnt, ow can a God so good look upon unclean souls as us men? Jesus paid the punishment, My God loves me, and every1 of you, despite what u believe, forgive me for preaching. Take care! :-)
    bismillah

    greetings, 4CA

    Number one. I will not delve into a debate about salvation. And to speak of Christianity as it alleviates one's spirit. That is futile, solely because a non-believer in Christianity cannot feel it. You can not preach on an emotional basis.

    Number two. If one commits a crime and they are punished in this world and do not repent they will recieve in the hereafter what they have sown in this worldy life. Allaah (ta'ala) is the most merciful, He provides for the Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. Is your reasoning of God superior to the reasoning of others? No it is not.

    No person will bear the burden of another is what it says in the Book of Ezekiel. According to the Jewish Bible, and the Qur'an is explicit on the purity and essence of God and the deeds we do. We will answer for them and those who disbelieve, if it is Allaah (swt) will be in the hellfire.

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    Re: Sinning

    just out of interest does islam believe in the OT? as the word of God?
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    Re: Sinning

    bismillah

    greetings,

    Muslims, believe that their were original messages that were given to all the prophets (pbut) of all nations. Some came with merely oral messages, others came with books. The Jewish Bible as we have today as well as the NT are not considered the pure revelations they once were. They were filtered through the minds of men. Thus if it contains the prejudices and thoughts of man, it is not perfect, it is not a Holy revelation from the Most High.

    You must understand that whatever contradicts the message of the Qur'an is to be rejected in its entirety. Me personally, I study the NT and the Pentatech to understand the beliefs of my brothers. However, Muslims refer only to the Qur'an. We hear and we obey, there is no guidance better that the guidance of Allaah (ta'ala) and HIS final messenger Muhammad ibn Abdullah (saw).

    However, the point is there are arguments in which we can dispute, in your own book...the Bible. The point is why do you choose to complicate the simple message of God Almighty???

    "Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from allah. but allah is not unmindful of what ye do!"

    سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140
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