No Prophet(pbut) "falied." They all portrayed the message given to them by God(swt). They completed what was told of them. Each Prophet(pbut) was sent for different times and different places. To people who had not recieved the message.
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
Sufism as a sect came much later than Islam is an innovation to the religion.
The companion of Guru nank was probably also a Sufi.
They also believe in detachment from this world and that Allah is all around (a'stagfirAllah)
To clarify regarding the prophets of old, they all came with a single message, to worship one God and not to associate partners with Him. (But im sure we have been here before):yawn:
It appears that Sikhs do not want to believe the evidence that supports the divinity of the Holy Quran - as the final un-altered guidence for the whole of Mankind
"This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion."
- Qur'an 5:3
sikhism does not in any way believe in detatchment from the world. they believe in detatchment from your minds wants. the 5 thieves, lust, anger, greed, attatchment, and ego. Guru Nanak taught a way of life called grishty jeevan. living a householder life and remembering God at the same time.
Guru Nanak ji was not a sufi. He belonged to non but allah himself.
Sikhs believe God resides within everything. its about seeing God in everthing which is the callenge, including human beings. this promotes equality of the human race.
when i talk of failing, im refering to hindu mythology as alot of there religious leaders where victims to the force of Ego.
in that case brother then wat was the point of allah sending down all those other prophets, which i know islam accepts? people are sent, they give a messege, but people do fail aswel. people get full of ego. messeges get changed through out the years due to miss interpretation. this is why Guru Nanak ji was sent. every time theres a dyer need in the world for a saviour, God sends someone down. it was a great need in the world when the Gurus came, and so much bad was abolished, including forceful violation of human rights. just like when muhammad came to destroy all of the idols that where placed in the kabah.
Brother you have not answered any iof my questions, but made irelevant points. Porphets did not fail, their messages became corrupted as you have said.
when i talk of failing, im refering to hindu mythology as alot of there religious leaders where victims to the force of Ego.
Out of interest, what do you mean by fail? I wold really like to know what you meant, what force of ego are you referring to
We simply believe God sent several prophets before but their message became lost/altered and thus Gods message and religion was no longer present in its true state so God sent a new prophet.
Now show me where islam has become corrupted. yes many muslims may be corrupted, but the Qur'an is still there, as is the sunnah- the sayings of the prophet pbuh. So why did God send Guru Nanak if Muhammed PBUhs message was not altered. Does it mean God realised he made a mistake and the message he sent out originally was not good enough or was wrong? Na'uadubillah as muslims we seek shelter from such thoughts that God can make mistakes
I dont believe you sufficiently answered my previous questions so here they go again
If sikhs accept muhammed PBUH as a prophet, what does that mean. Surely God only chooses perfect people as prophets, one he knows would do the job properly and not disobey god and fabricate blatant lies.
So why did muhammed PBUH say time and time again he is the last prophet
Also why did he say that Allah says (In the Quran) that Muhammed is the seal of the prophethood. If you believe he is a prophet, you will believe he is truthful, as why would god choose such a liar. God knows the future, I am sure you agree
In addition to the questions above can you also explain to me what you meant by a prophet failing. If you meant if the religion wasnt successful and didnt get many followers on the true path, then that means sikhism also failed miserabally, so did God make another mistake according to you? please clarify. Thanks
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sikhism does not in any way believe in detatchment from the world. they believe in detatchment from your minds wants. the 5 thieves, lust, anger, greed, attatchment, and ego. Guru Nanak taught a way of life called grishty jeevan. living a householder life and remembering God at the same time.
Guru Nanak ji was not a sufi. He belonged to non but allah himself.
Sikhs believe God resides within everything. its about seeing God in everthing which is the callenge, including human beings. this promotes equality of the human race.
when i talk of failing, im refering to hindu mythology as alot of there religious leaders where victims to the force of Ego.
I never said Guru Nanak was a Sufi, i merely made a suggestion that his companion Bhai Mardana the Muslim was a Sufi as his / Sikh's beliefs are similar to Sufi's beliefs regarding Allah.
I think that victims of Ego are those who believe that the religion they were born into /i.e the religion of their forefathers is the only truth refusing to contemplate on other faith's.
God residing in everything again is a Sufi belief.
If a tree has the same type of soul as every other living creature, how can it go through the stages of Mukti (salvation through reincarnation) if its soul is trapped within this vessel?
Some of the oldest tree's are over 4'500 years old.
What about bacteria and other single celled organisms?
Do they have the same soul as us? They have life within them do they not?
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Since AvarNoor has not answered my questions on several occasions, perhaps you could shed some light?
I never said Guru Nanak was a Sufi, i merely made a suggestion that his companion Bhai Mardana the Muslim was a Sufi as his / Sikh's beliefs are similar to Sufi's beliefs regarding Allah.
I think that victims of Ego are those who believe that the religion they were born into /i.e the religion of their forefathers is the only truth refusing to contemplate on other faith's.
God residing in everything again is a Sufi belief.
It's you who won't contemplate on other faiths. Saying yours is immune to distortion but others are distorted, that's ego.
BTW - Who said Bhai Mardana is a Sufi? Source pease
Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 11-27-2006 at 05:32 PM.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Allah is nowhere IN this world, but He is still able to see everything we do, speak, think, and feel. Only creation is part of creation.(wondering if u guys get that). Our minds are still limited, so we cant perceive. If we could understand everything about Allah, it wouldn make Him unique
Allah knows best.
Ok anywayz back to topic
*Without Allah, without Islam, life would be meaningless. If I've ever learned patience, it's because of this. Alhamdulillah...*
i've read more than once that guru nanak's companion was a muslim.
there are some writings in the GGS by sufi poets.
i also believe that god is in everything and it is not only sufism that believes this way.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
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i've read more than once that guru nanak's companion was a muslim.
there are some writings in the GGS by sufi poets.
i also believe that god is in everything and it is not only sufism that believes this way.
Indeed this is true. God is everywhere, how can he not be! - This is why the quote of 'In the East resides the God of Muslims....came into being, because some muslims thought this is the only direction he was present. - This just confirms by the post above, that God isn't percieved to be all around. Unlike all the other religions believe.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Only creation is part of creation.(wondering if u guys get that). D
Guru Arjan, “True is He and true is His creation [because] all has emanated from God Himself” (GG 294). But God is not identical with the universe. The latter exists and is contained in Him and not vice versa. God is immanent in the created world, but is not limited by it.
“Many times He expands Himself into such worlds but He ever remains the same One Ekonkar" (GG, 276). Even at one time "there are hundreds of thousands of skies and nether regions" (GG, 5).
Included in Sach Khand (Realm of Truth), the figurative abode of God, there are countless regions and universes" (GG, 8). Creation is "His sport which He Himself witnesses, and when He rolls up the sport, He is His sole Self again" (GG, 292). He Himself is the Creator, Sustainer and the Destroyer.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
Surely by this statement you mean to imply Allah is not all around? Where can he be located then, please elaborate?
Sikhism like Sufism teach that "God is everywhere." This is actually called "pantheism" and it is the opposite of our believe system in Islam.
Allah tells us clearly that there is nothing, anywhere in the universe that resembles Him, nor is He ever in His creation. He tells us in the Quran that He created the universe in six "yawm" (periods of time) and then He "astawah 'ala al Arsh" (rose up, above His Throne). He is there (above His Throne) and will remain there until the End Times.
If a tree has the same type of soul as every other living creature, how can it go through the stages of Mukti (salvation through reincarnation) if its soul is trapped within this vessel?
Some of the oldest tree's are over 4'500 years old.
What about bacteria and other single celled organisms?
Do they have the same soul as us? They have life within them do they not?
Could these outstanding questions be answered by the Guru Granth Please or other scriptures you may have?
Sikhism like Sufism teach that "God is everywhere." This is actually called "pantheism" and it is the opposite of our believe system in Islam.
Allah tells us clearly that there is nothing, anywhere in the universe that resembles Him, nor is He ever in His creation. He tells us in the Quran that He created the universe in six "yawm" (periods of time) and then He "astawah 'ala al Arsh" (rose up, above His Throne). He is there (above His Throne) and will remain there until the End Times.
You keep saying God is not everywhere, please tell me where he is??
When it pleases God, He becomes sarguna and manifests Himself in creation. He becomes immanent in His created universe, which is His own emanation, an aspect of Himself. As says Guru Amar Das, Nanak III, "This (so-called) poison, the world, that you see is God's picture; it is God's outline that we see" (GG, 922). Most names of God are His attributive, action-related signifiers, kirtam nam (GG, 1083)
Immanence or All-pervasiveness of God, however, does not limit or in any way affect His transcendence. He is Transcendent and Immanent at the same time. The Creation is His lila or cosmic play. He enjoys it, pervades it, yet Himself remains unattached.
Guru Arjan describes Him in several hymns as "Unattached and Unentangled in the midst of all" (GG, 102, 294, 296); and "Amidst all, yet outside of all, free from love and hate" (GG, 784-85). Creation is His manifestation, but, being conditioned by space and time, it provides only a partial and imperfect glimpse of the Timeless and Boundless Supreme Being.
Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.
Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!
Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.
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