Is World of Warcraft Haram or ?

World of Warcraft, by design, is meant to keep people playing it. I played it back in 04-05 just to try it and almost could not stop. You do one quest, 2 more pop up. You work on one of the two, you find 3 more before you finish the first one, and so on. All the while being rewarded for it. I'm not sure how it is now a days but, I imagine that it's worse with all the expansions that have come out since. You wake up one morning to play it and before you know it, it's the Isha. It was definitely a time waster for me. Luckily for me, I quit gaming a long time ago and even if I wanted to, I couldn't spend 10 minutes on any game without getting tired of it.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Ikr that's just very few like in only know like 2 people at my school that abuse video games like that most okay video games but are not addicted only little kids get addicted to them easy

You'd be surprised by how many adults do nothing but game when they're off from work (if they're even working..). People who neglect everyday life activities just so they can get extra time to play. These are not rare cases by any means either.

@Bobbyflay23

Sorry bro but I'd rather see a man building and have everyone complain about him then for him to PAY money out of his or his parents' pockets to waste time. I don't care if the game was preused, preowned, free, whatever. It's still a waste of time and has no benefit. If you're under 15, I can understand the hype, but if you're older, you gotta let it go. If you're only playing a few times a week, it's a waste of money, and if you're playing all day long it's a waste of time. Everyone wants to see themselves as the exception, but really, you're not. Just own the truth. The funny thing is even game developers themselves don't even play their own games. They are using their hands and brains to build it, but they reap the benefits of those who are willing to spend the money and waste their time on them. So the only person really benefit anything from games and game consoles are those who build them.

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

@Bobbyflay23

Sorry bro but I'd rather see a man building and have everyone complain about him then for him to PAY money out of his or his parents' pockets to waste time. I don't care if the game was preused, preowned, free, whatever. It's still a waste of time and has no benefit. If you're under 15, I can understand the hype, but if you're older, you gotta let it go. If you're only playing a few times a week, it's a waste of money, and if you're playing all day long it's a waste of time. Everyone wants to see themselves as the exception, but really, you're not. Just own the truth. The funny thing is even game developers themselves don't even play their own games. They are using their hands and brains to build it, but they reap the benefits of those who are willing to spend the money and waste their time on them. So the only person really benefit anything from games and game consoles are those who build them.

Okay but that makes no sense I havnt spent very much money in years and I don't even plan on spending most the money I get this summer on games I actually plan on buying books is a waste of money? What about the guy who spent 10000$ on asphetics your excuse was that even if the guy who plays video games doesn't waste much time he's still wasting money I mean really that makes no sense you know how much money the guy who works on his house wastes and that guy spends all his time on the house and electronics and sleeping never anything else just to look good all other hobbies then the ones that rasoolallah mentions in that Hadith or worthless and you can make them worth somthing yes video games are a waste of time but everyone wastes they're time on things I waste my time somtimes and somtimes I'm productive with my time and you are the same way in fact we are all doing it right now arguing over this subject I could argue spending extra money on your food for it to taste good is a waste of money I could argue going on a walk is a waste of time more then half of what we do isn't truly productive I barley waste my money on video games and I barley waste my time and I'm not addicted as I said it's the same as saying everybody who does drugs is basically addicted and soaks up in alcohol every night but that's obviously not true every hobby can be a waste or resources but everything can be controlled to the minimal i had a period of time where I completely didn't play video games at all but then I had to go to them to quite addictions what would I have done without video games I mean really without it I would hangout with kuffar friends who do drugs and backbite all the time is it really a waste when if it where not for the game I would have nothing to do and be surronded by haram to entertain my self?

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Touche...

Sister what you just did was breaking the idol-belief worship of many gamers. Me saying it even in the same words doesn't hit that hard but you as a sister it is like setting fire to their game console when they are deep in the game...

loooooooool

Honestly, this generation of men are so much more feminine than last generations, and it's not just in their style or anything..it's the way they carry themselves, and it will continue til we can't tell the difference between a man and a woman

Alhemdulilah my father was a hard working man. He's worked hard all of his life. He came to the US with nothing in his pocket, a child to feed, (cute little me ) a wife, and didn't know any of the language. Mashallah for as long as I can remember he has NEVER complained when he had all the right to complain. Now you have guys crying like little girls about how they can't get a job and how depressed they, how their parents don't understand them, or how they need drugs in their life to get through the day etc etc all while they have everything they could ever need to be successful. At any sign of difficulty or strife, they run away and escape into their little wonderland of games. And their ultimate excuse is "oh but it's better than doing worse things!" ....yeah ok.

But I am blessed to have seen the example of my parents and grandparents of what overcoming hardship really is. I know what I"m saying is going to hit a nerve with some people, but idc lol. This is just how I view guys these days.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Okay but that makes no sense I havnt spent very much money in years and I don't even plan on spending most the money I get this summer on games I actually plan on buying books is a waste of money? What about the guy who spent 10000$ on asphetics your excuse was that even if the guy who plays video games doesn't waste much time he's still wasting money I mean really that makes no sense you know how much money the guy who works on his house wastes and that guy spends all his time on the house and electronics and sleeping never anything else just to look good all other hobbies then the ones that rasoolallah mentions in that Hadith or worthless and you can make them worth somthing yes video games are a waste of time but everyone wastes they're time on things I waste my time somtimes and somtimes I'm productive with my time and you are the same way in fact we are all doing it right now arguing over this subject I could argue spending extra money on your food for it to taste good is a waste of money I could argue going on a walk is a waste of time more then half of what we do isn't truly productive I barley waste my money on video games and I barley waste my time and I'm not addicted as I said it's the same as saying everybody who does drugs is basically addicted and soaks up in alcohol every night but that's obviously not true every hobby can be a waste or resources but everything can be controlled to the minimal i had a period of time where I completely didn't play video games at all but then I had to go to them to quite addictions what would I have done without video games I mean really without it I would hangout with kuffar friends who do drugs and backbite all the time is it really a waste when if it where not for the game I would have nothing to do and be surronded by haram to entertain my self?

Subhanallah, exactly what I pointed out above

People who love playing video games will find every excuse to show that it's not a waste of time. To each his own bro. This is just how I view things. I don't run my life by comparing it to worse things. So I'll never say "I waste my time doing this because it's better than doing something worse" ...you never improve with this type of mentality. You have to constantly challenge yourself in REAL life not a virtual reality.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

** Reported by al-Qarrab **

On the authority of Abu ad-Darda’, may Allah Almighty shower His favors on him,

who narrates from The Holy Prophet, peace and blessings from Allah Almighty be upon him, who said,

“All games are idle play but three things :
the riding of horses,
the casting of arrows,
and a man playing with his wife ;
And of these the most beloved to me is the casting of arrows.”
There is also another version of the Hadith that replaces wife with family

These are manly sports

How amazing life would be if those were still a thing.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Bruh I never said it's not a waste of time I just said that your just playing the example of the worst case scenario stop putting words in my mouth but everybody does wasteful things with there time I'm doing it right now and so are you

I should've added to wasting time that there's no benefit to them.

What words did I put in your mouth?

There is no best case scenario for any normal individual. Again all my opinion though.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

... they are just modern versions but a fun and learn to hunt go play with your spouse or family practice driving for fun that simple just to note so I'm not hypocritical I don't know how to drive yet and I don't go hunting but I do hang with family

No they are absolutely not! loool

Shoot a real gun and tell me if it's the same as shooting one online. Tell me how you can feed your family by hunting with a gun online

Tell me where you can travel on a horse online, and how you will be taking care of it, and reaping the good deeds of doing so.

There's nothing real about virtual reality!!

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

My point is that everyone has there own hobbies and your just stereotyping people there's people that watch cartoons they'res people that have collections and in the end everybody has a hobbie and they are all useless and all humans waste time what makes your hobbies more useful then my hobbies and note that video games

I'm talking about games specifically. If we had a thread on other things, I'd talk about those too. But gaming is ONE of the things that is not beneficial, wastes time, and strips men away from masculinity.

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

I'm sure is the only hobbie I have that you would consider unmanly and unproductive I'm noting this so it's easier for you to come to the realization that you don't need to be free of modern technology to have a social life and to have a normal life in general

I don't understand what you're saying here.

format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1

yeah.. marvel comics and just regular novels,usually teen fiction

It's not bad to read comics and novels though