Is World of Warcraft Haram or ?

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

LIke i earlier said, there are A LOT of things to do. However we tend to narrow things to the "usual" things.

- Hangout with friends
- Play games
- Watch a movie

This day and age, fun is reduced to these kind of things.

You do not have to hangout with friends. You can also go take a walk to a park. I even advice people to do that..ON YOUR OWN. Time to ponder about things..just walk by yourself and ponder. Or work out. Brother @Serinity said he used to bake cakes and stuff in the past. I already said that i with my new apartment started gardening. Also planning to make my own bread. Some people paint, some people love to mess with things (computers for example). I myself also love to improve things in my own house by implementing new kind of software with router/NAS to make my own life much easier. Others spend time learning new programming language like PHP, HTML..CSS..and thus create their own website. Some knit and others love to make their own clothes, some people buy a Raspberry Pi (small computer) and try to create their own little project...while others have fish and chickens to take care of. There are people that love to mess with their car and tune it, while there are others who mess with their scooter. And there are even others that write poems.

Brother there is SOOO MUCH to do, that is not only fun, but also beneficial. All the things that i have just mentioned are one way or the other beneficial at the end of the day. So the problem is not things to do, the problem is your creativity has been killed by games and society that has restricted you. Not always do we have to keep ourselves occupied with Islam you know. Balance.. take some dunya, take some akhira. What i mean by this is take the benefit from the dunya and also balance the other side of not forgetting the akhira (praying, learning Qur'an, fasting..you name it).

Okay bro I'm not uncreative or anything nobody said I don't go out into nature I go out into nature and go longboarding just as much as I play video games and then I also do dawah in a nature trail nearby my house and I become better at it and I somtimes I take my cuzin out to subway or somthing I mean I take a graphics class and I like I hangout with my family quite a bit your just jumping on the hobbies that I do that are in productive I still listen to a ton of Islamic lectures I still watch some videos that are benifical in learning but I also watch entertaining videos and I also watch Islamic videos

format_quote Originally Posted by Bobbyflay23

Okay bro I'm not uncreative or anything nobody said I don't go out into nature I go out into nature and go longboarding just as much as I play video games and then I also do dawah in a nature trail nearby my house and I become better at it and I somtimes I take my cuzin out to subway or somthing I mean I take a graphics class and I like I hangout with my family quite a bit your just jumping on the hobbies that I do that are in productive I still listen to a ton of Islamic lectures I still watch some videos that are benifical in learning but I also watch entertaining videos and I also watch Islamic videos

So you don't really have any excuse to play games as you already can fill up your time with beneficial things . Again everything in a balanced way with Islam..

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

So you don't really have any excuse to play games as you already can fill up your time with beneficial things . Again everything in a balanced way with Islam..

Well I do have a excuse why I don't want to learn or read I mean when I was a kid my dad sorta just trapped me in the house and never let me leave and talk to friends and stuff and like he used to make me learn constantly like it I had no homework from school he'd print me out homework to work on for like another hour straight up on weekends I would wake up to have to do a packet he printed out for two hours and all this stuff and then he made me go on some learning website about recent world advancements like robots and stuff like you know how boring that is to do until you finally hit highschool I'll admit during middle school it slowed down hella but im pretty sure I'm fed up with learning and also I never really got video games for a while like I was only allowed to play during summer break so there was legit no entertainment at all espically for being a kid just some toys to play with bymyself I am not envolped with useless entertainment I just engage in it just as much as I engage in useful entertainment. I'm not gonna go pick up a book and read I'm fed up with that stuff but I will do fun activities and I'll still go to college and stuff in general I like to be outside and interact with things in real life but I don't wanna spend my entire time like that so somtimes I play video games for a bit tbh I'm probably gonna stop video games when I get married or only have some causal video games like a Nintendo console to play 2 player games

Anyway we are going super off topic yes I think Warcraft is haram sorry for going so off topic serenity

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

If you ask me, is school good? I say ABSOLUTELY NOT!!. If you ask me, did i love school especially when older? I say ABSOLUTELY NOT!!. What is my opinion of school? Mass production of sheeple to make them think WITHIN a box.

What do i say about knowledge? I love knowledge. In the west you see school gives students so much stress, that they associate knowledge with stress and boredom. Rather you should associate school with boredom and nonsense. Think deeply about the last moment you came to know of something and you were all existed of woooowww..how cool is that. Mine was within i believe the last month. I have at least once a month such a moment alhamdulillah. This excitement is good for the heart as well as for the brain. When you do not experience that anymore, it becomes a boring life. There is the excitement to play for example some kind of game, but in the end and I KNOW YOU ALSO KNOW that..the moment you have played it..it isn't excited to even look at it.

To give you an example. I bought my PS3 i believe in 2008. A few years later i stood still and asked my self how come i should pay for every new game? It costs me like €40-60 every time. So i looked online and i hacked my PS3. I replaced the hard drive with a 1 TB hard drive and connected it with my network. I downloaded the PS3 games from internet and transferred them on the FTP-server on the PS3. I had maybe like 60 games on there..from PS3 to PSX-games (classics like Crash bandicoot, Tomb raider (old one), to even i believe a emulator to be able to play Nintendo games. ) The project/achievement i was proud of and was excited about achieving it as when a new Fifa game would be released i would download it and put it on m PS3. However at a certain time i had games on there that i NEVER even played. It became very boring.

Even now, looking at my project of hacking it, i look with satisfaction and say alhamdulillah that Allah had gave me that ability to be creative in making things and seeing how to optimize certain existing things. But playing the game it self was no "WOOW"-effect, because i had all those games, but whenever i look back at all those games wanting to play..not really excited about it. I sold my hacked-PS3 back in 2013 when i realized that i was wasting TOO much time playing games like GTA5.

However i have now only a Nintendo 3DS (also hacked with downgrading of the firmware)...playing brain training games only.

So if you ponder often you find logical reasons why you should indeed find certain things boring and other things not be be associated with boredom. Find that "woooow.."-effect and every time when you even have achieved that "woow"-effect like couple of years back you look with satisfaction back on it.

I do cad in class and graphics that's good enough lol plus somtimes watching random videos like a fish comoflauging in a room or someone ejecting at 3 times the speed of sound for the most part I also watched videos on the internet all day too of things like robots and artificial intelligence and stuff after doing a few hours of homework still very boring the biggest wow I've had is from deen and it's always gon be like that I don't need to learn about things in the dunya and all the things your talking about are things that I am not allowed to do like my dad doesn't let me cook or learn survival skills or anything and I tried robotics club and it was full of kids and boring if you want to continue this switch to private message as we have completley strayed away from the topic

format_quote Originally Posted by Simple_Person

Not really brother. You are looking at it from a shallow point of view but also from a very black and white perspective.

If we talk about games done in groups outside, there is the fun part, there is the interaction part as (REAL INTERACTION) but also the exercise. Playing for example paitpall..you also get tired after lets say 1-2 hours. A lot of fun but also tired. Your mind also works totally different then when you play games.

When you play video games, your brain mostly goes on standby mode (zombie-mode)..because it takes less energy, you also pay HOURS and HOURS. Besides that, the addict behavior of it..has no limits. When one becomes so obsessed with it, you often even forget ..ooh i need to eat ooh i need to take a shower..ooh i need to go outside take fresh air. You spend for example with WOW (world of warcraft) so much time in developing your character and doing battle..getting stuff. However what have you really achieved? I mean seriously what have you achieved? You have a "orc warrior"..that has weapons x,y,z ..that has certain kind of armor..that shines..but again WHAT HAVE YOU ACHIEVED..?? Nothing..absolutely nothing. Just wasted A LOT of your time. There is so much to do for fun even if you are home, the problem is certain activities have gotten the emphasis on it, while other activities not.

Reading a magazine for example Quest. It is fun to read and you get a lot of beneficial information. Reading a book to name one for example "The Alchemist - Paulo Coelho", it is fun to read, your brain is active compared to playing games and you also learn to read better and maybe even new words. There is SOO MUCH to do i am NOT kidding you, but we tend to limit things to only a few things (playing video games, watching a movie/series).

Also it isn't the purpose of shetan to declare which game is popular, but to get you entangled in the web of playing video games.

Sorry for off topic, but no video games are not waste of Brain power who told you that? In this day and age the biggest waste of Brain power is 24/7 social media in the youth! Back to video games, many games require skill and critical thinking planning designing etc, not to say all but there are plenty of examples, such as uncharted and Professor Layton games. Also just the task of aiming in game improves our reflexes, not to mention VR coming out we can also use games for our physical benefit. Many games also have readable texts, like RPGS such as Final fantasy, whilst not like educational but still it is reading.
Also a lot of socially active people play video games not just the shy introverts.

Also no offense, but hacking the console and downloading games isn't it like stealing?

format_quote Originally Posted by Ineed Umar

Sorry for off topic, but no video games are not waste of Brain power who told you that? In this day and age the biggest waste of Brain power is 24/7 social media in the youth! Back to video games, many games require skill and critical thinking planning designing etc, not to say all but there are plenty of examples, such as uncharted and Professor Layton games. Also just the task of aiming in game improves our reflexes, not to mention VR coming out we can also use games for our physical benefit. Many games also have readable texts, like RPGS such as Final fantasy, whilst not like educational but still it is reading.
Also a lot of socially active people play video games not just the shy introverts.

Also no offense, but hacking the console and downloading games isn't it like stealing?

I'm sure he doesn't do it anymore he's probably talking about his days during his jahiylia (time of arrogance) and yea the game I play mgsv requires planning and allot of innovation like you have to infiltrate a base stealth without someone finding you and spy on someone or rescue someone and stuff and like you have to use markers to make a plan and some enemy's have thermal vision and stuff

format_quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1

read! I read all the time and its easy to find stuff you'l be interested in eg i read comic books and regular novels

Books can get really heavy sometimes...

format_quote Originally Posted by azc

reading comic books and novels......???

yeah.. marvel comics and just regular novels,usually teen fiction

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

Assalamu Alaikum

I absolutely believe that video games in general are part of what is making men lose their masculine attributes these days.

Along with the impact of other influences, it will eventually become that masculinity will be a foreign concept.

really? a lot of video games have pretty conventionally masuculine attributes and traits anyway?

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

Video games promote physical inactivity, so a guy sitting there wasting his life away for hours playing mindlessly with imaginary characters, getting his feathers all in a ruff when he loses, and living like a slob, is not my idea of masculine Also they are such a waste of money, especially when someone is only a fan of one or two games and will eventually buy a whole system and new games after a couple of years just to stay relevant in the gaming world *rolls eyes*

Why not learn real life skills?

Touche...

Sister what you just did was breaking the idol-belief worship of many gamers. Me saying it even in the same words doesn't hit that hard but you as a sister it is like setting fire to their game console when they are deep in the game...

format_quote Originally Posted by *charisma*

Video games promote physical inactivity, so a guy sitting there wasting his life away for hours playing mindlessly with imaginary characters, getting his feathers all in a ruff when he loses, and living like a slob, is not my idea of masculine Also they are such a waste of money, especially when someone is only a fan of one or two games and will eventually buy a whole system and new games after a couple of years just to stay relevant in the gaming world *rolls eyes*

Why not learn real life skills?

Okay you see this is not really the right way to view anything your just looking at the people who abuse it like for me I havnt bought a expensive game (I've bought cheap games) for like way over a year or so to my memory and on top of that I only play a few times a week and am more active then video games plus I go to the gym but I'm a gamer and I'm not unsocial your just looking at the worst of people little kids that are immature tend to be like that but most adults or anyone who's gone out of middle school is not like that at all it's like saying everyone who does drugs sits in a dark room laughing and beats up anyone he sees and stuff or is a druggie when that's not really the case it's just that's the worst case scenario same thing goes to people who like school not all of them are nerds some just do they're homework and don't overdue themselves same goes to basically any hobby it just depends on if you have a abusive personality or not for example I have a family member that has a super abusive personality to electronics and building his house now you may think oh that's not so bad but I mean really he's spent weeks building a fence and his mom complains about how she never sees him and complains she doesn't get to sleep because of him being loud outside and like really all the things he's done has not been worth it for example spending thousands of dollars for asphetics allot of people do useless hobbys and in the end I don't remember what exactly was the hadith but there was a hadith saying everything a human does is useless except for 3 1 : things playing with his wife 2: learning how to use his bow (guns apply I think and also working out and stuff)
3 : haha I forgot
So I mean really simple according to this Hadith you learning things 24/7 is not benificall at all it's just as useless as video games I mean sure learning how to cook and stuff is important but learning about how to hack somthing or learning that the world has recently advanced in somthing is also just as worthless anything we do is worthless so stop attacking other peoples hobbys it's just that some people need to learn moderation

i mean literally all my video gamea are preowned so they're not expensive

and not everyone who play video games just sit around all day on them