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    Allah only tests those He loves?

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    I've often heard people say....'Allah only tests those He loves' in fact I've said it myself many a time. However in Ibn Qayyim's book 'Sins and their Evil Effects' he says...

    'When you see anyone in a difficulty, understand that he is being punished for a sin'

    But doesnt that contradict the first part? Are the two compatible...Allah's love alongside punishment?
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    aaj would be nice
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    lol sis sabrun jameel !

    but laa adree, im a lil confused as to why ibn al qayyim would say that. you sure he didnt mean it in another context? can i see the article
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?



    From what i understood:

    The Hadith is:

    Abu Hurayrah (radiallaahu 'anhu) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "Whenever Allah wills good for a person, He subjects him to adversity." [ Bukharee and others ]
    'When you see anyone in a difficulty, understand that he is being punished for a sin'
    That does not contradict the fact that Allaah tests those whom He loves. Since Allaah loves a person, He is punishing them in this life so that they will be free of sins in the Aakhirah and on the Day of Judgement. We know that for any suffering a Muslim goes through, some of his sins are expiated, and the reason he goes through the hardship in the first place is because of his sins. The following Ahadith explains it:
    Anas (radiallaahu anhu) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "When Allah wills good for a servant of His, He expedites his punishment in this life; and when He wills retribution for a servant of His, He holds his sins for Him to judge him by them on the Day of Resurrection."
    [Tirmithee]

    Abu Hurayrah (radiallaahu 'anhu) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam) said: "Hardships continue to befall a believing man and woman's body, family, and property, until they meet Allah (swt) burdened with no sins." [ Tirmithee ]

    Abu Sa'eed al-Khudree (radiallaahu anhu) reported that the Prophet (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) said: "A muslim is not afflicted by hardship, sickness, sadness, worry, harm, or depression - even if pricked by a thorn, but Allah expiates his sins because of that. " [Bukharee and Muslim]

    'Aishah (radiallaahu anhu) narrated that once some pain afflicted the Prophrt (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) causing him to suffer and turn about in his bed. She said: "Had one of us done this, you would have blamed him." He (sallallaahu alaihi wasallam) replied: "An ailment is intensified for the righteous. whenever a believer is afflicted by a hardship, whether it is a thorn or more, a sin is taken off from him because of it, and he is elevated by one rank (in Jannah)." [ Ahmad ]
    So because Allaah loves this person, He sends him trials and problems here, as a 'punishment' in this Life, so he won't be burdened with it on the Day of Qiyamah. If the person is patient for the sake of Allaah, then Insha'Allaah the above hadith apply to him.
    "Indeed amazing are the affairs of a believer ! They are all for his benefit; If he is granted ease of living he is thankful; and this is best for him. And if he is afflicted with a hardship, he perseveres; and this is best or him." [ Muslim ]
    Allah only tests those He loves?

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    It's hardly a contradiction.
    Allah only tests those He loves?

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Madani View Post


    That does not contradict the fact that Allaah tests those whom He loves. Since Allaah loves a person, He is punishing them in this life so that they will be free of sins in the Aakhirah and on the Day of Judgement. .[/B][/I]" [ Muslim ][/INDENT]
    yeah thats what i was going to say when i read the 1st post of this thread. thats how ive understood it too. he loves us so much, that he puts us through so much in the world, so our sins get washed away. then we will have as little for the after life.
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    Ask yourself - when did you start practising islaam? Was it when you faced a hardship in life? I know it was that way for me. Allaah tested me with that hardship and i had one of two options:

    1) Become arrogant/angry at the decree of Allaah and go further into sin.

    2) Turn to Allaah because i know i'm weak and helpless.


    I chose option 2 alhamdulillaah, and that was my starting point to come closer to Allaah. That hardship inshaa Allaah removed some of my sins, and lead to a greater good - my submission to Allaah, alhamdulillah.

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Habeshi View Post
    It's hardly a contradiction.
    If this is not a contradiction, then what's a contradiction?
    Allah only tests those He loves?

    Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    its not a contradiction. how is it? can u elaborate then we can answer in detail to clarify how its not a contrdiction.
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    after reading over and over again i just understood mashaAllah. Allah cleanses those he loves with punishment
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    ^^ alhamdullilah. hope everyone else understands it too. (so guys if u havnt fallen ill for a while, be it cough or temperature....get worried!!! ...lol...that was a joke)....but saying that...i sometimes get worried...
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post
    after reading over and over again i just understood mashaAllah. Allah cleanses those he loves with punishment
    So we're undergoing a cleansing process in Iraq?
    Allah only tests those He loves?

    Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by deen_2007 View Post
    ^^ alhamdullilah. hope everyone else understands it too. (so guys if u havnt fallen ill for a while, be it cough or temperature....get worried!!! ...lol...that was a joke)....but saying that...i sometimes get worried...



    I heard in a lecture that looking forward for trials isn't always a good thing, but once they come your way - then you should remain firm. Allaah knows best.

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by iqbal_soofi View Post
    So we're undergoing a cleansing process in Iraq?
    Allahu a'lam bro. Maybe i was wrong.


    Laa Adree.

    Why dont you explain what you understand?
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    (to fi_sabilillah)^^ thanks for that. i only sometimes feel that way...cnt help it, its in the bcak of my head. but now...i'll stop feeling that way.
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by deen_2007 View Post
    ^^ alhamdullilah. hope everyone else understands it too. (so guys if u havnt fallen ill for a while, be it cough or temperature....get worried!!! ...lol...that was a joke)....but saying that...i sometimes get worried...


    Nah, trust me, being physically sick isn't the only way Allah tests us!
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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by iqbal_soofi View Post
    If this is not a contradiction, then what's a contradiction?
    Do you understand the background can play an effect on the meaning?

    The simple matter that the statement comes from a book entitled; Sins and their Evil Effects gives us an understanding. Punishment and Test are not the same, does someone get a reward for being punished?

    When you see someone in difficulty understand he is being punished for his sins, this is in a book apparently which talks about sinners and their problems, talking about a person who persistantly sins and does not repent aint the same as talking about someone who repents and trys not to sin.
    Allah only tests those He loves?

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by iqbal_soofi View Post
    So we're undergoing a cleansing process in Iraq?
    Do you remember what happened in Bosnia? The Muslims were far from their religion. The serbs came and started to kill the Muslims. They were put into a trial. The Muslims realized that the only reason they were being killed was because of their religion. What happened? The Muslims started returning to their religion. Brothers started focusing on their religion. For example, Madinah University recieved so many applications from brothers in Bosnia during that time when before that they only used to get frm there rarely. Because of that trial, or punishment per say, many were guided back to Islam.
    Allah only tests those He loves?

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    Re: Allah only tests those He loves?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Madani View Post
    Do you remember what happened in Bosnia? The Muslims were far from their religion. The serbs came and started to kill the Muslims. They were put into a trial. The Muslims realized that the only reason they were being killed was because of their religion. What happened? The Muslims started returning to their religion. Brothers started focusing on their religion. For example, Madinah University recieved so many applications from brothers in Bosnia during that time when before that they only used to get frm there rarely. Because of that trial, or punishment per say, many were guided back to Islam.
    Yes I remember this. I remember even more than this. Serbians took a revenge for what was done to their ancestors a long time ago when Bosanians conquered Serbia. Bosnians allied with any power that could help them supress Serbians. They were in a very good shape when they were under the Soviet protection. After the fall of Soviet shelter, Serbians got the chance to take the revenge. When Bosnians felt that there was no chance of getting the Soviet shelter then, they looked again towards the Muslim countries for millitant/political support.
    Allah only tests those He loves?

    Faith, to my mind, is a stiffening process, a sort of mental starch.

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    This thread is very informative, Jazak Allah Khayr!
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