Allah only tests those He loves?

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I've noticed this happens sooo much subhaan Allaah!

It is an aspect of Man's Disbelief that He remembers Allah at times of difficulty then associates others with Him after He has been relieved of His Distress


[وَإِذَا مَسَّ الإِنسَـنَ ضُرٌّ دَعَا رَبَّهُ مُنِيباً إِلَيْهِ]

(And when some hurt touches man, he cries to his Lord, turning to Him in repentance.) means, at times of need, he prays to Allah and seeks His help alone, not associating anything with Him. This is like the Ayah:


[وَإِذَا مَسَّكُمُ الْضُّرُّ فِى الْبَحْرِ ضَلَّ مَن تَدْعُونَ إِلاَ إِيَّاهُ فَلَمَّا نَجَّـكُمْ إِلَى الْبَرِّ أَعْرَضْتُمْ وَكَانَ الإِنْسَـنُ كَفُورًا ]

(And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon vanish from you except Him. But when He brings you safe to land, you turn away. And man is ever ungrateful.) (17:67). Allah says:


[ثُمَّ إِذَا خَوَّلَهُ نِعْمَةً مِّنْهُ نَسِىَ مَا كَانَ يَدْعُو إِلَيْهِ مِن قَبْلُ]

(But when He bestows a favor upon him from Himself, he forgets that for which he cried for before,) means, at the time of ease, he forgets that supplication and prayer. This is like the Ayah:


[وَإِذَا مَسَّ الإِنسَـنَ الضُّرُّ دَعَانَا لِجَنبِهِ أَوْ قَاعِدًا أَوْ قَآئِمًا فَلَمَّا كَشَفْنَا عَنْهُ ضُرَّهُ مَرَّ كَأَن لَّمْ يَدْعُنَآ إِلَى ضُرٍّ مَّسَّهُ]

(And when harm touches man, he invokes Us, lying on his side, or sitting or standing. But when We have removed his harm from him, he passes on as if he had never invoked Us for a harm that touched him!) (10:12).


[وَجَعَلَ لِلَّهِ أَندَاداً لِّيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ]

(and he sets up rivals to Allah, in order to mislead others from His path.) means, at times of ease, he associates others in worship with Allah and sets up rivals to Him.


[قُلْ تَمَتَّعْ بِكُفْرِكَ قَلِيلاً إِنَّكَ مِنْ أَصْحَـبِ النَّارِ]

(Say: "Take pleasure in your disbelief for a while, surely, you are (one) of the dwellers of the Fire!'') means, say to those whose way this is, `enjoy your disbelief for a while!' This is a stern threat and solemn warning, as in the Ayat:


[قُلْ تَمَتَّعُواْ فَإِنَّ مَصِيرَكُمْ إِلَى النَّارِ]

(Say: "Enjoy! But certainly, your destination is the Fire!'') (14:30).


[نُمَتِّعُهُمْ قَلِيلاً ثُمَّ نَضْطَرُّهُمْ إِلَى عَذَابٍ غَلِيظٍ ]

(We let them enjoy for a little while, then in the end We shall oblige them to (enter) a great torment.) (31:24)



[أَمَّنْ هُوَ قَانِتٌ ءَانَآءَ الَّيْلِ سَـجِداً وَقَآئِماً يَحْذَرُ الاٌّخِرَةَ وَيَرْجُواْ رَحْمَةَ رَبِّهِ قُلْ هَلْ يَسْتَوِى الَّذِينَ يَعْلَمُونَ وَالَّذِينَ لاَ يَعْلَمُونَ إِنَّمَا يَتَذَكَّرُ أُوْلُو الاٌّلْبَـبِ ]

(9. Is one who is obedient to Allah, Ana'a Al-Layl prostrating and standing fearing the Hereafter and hoping for the mercy of his Lord Say: "Are those who know equal to those who know not'' It is only men of understanding who will remember.)


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I've noticed this happens sooo much subhaan Allaah!

It is an aspect of Man's Disbelief that He remembers Allah at times of difficulty then associates others with Him after He has been relieved of His Distress

Some people like to cheat with themsleves and start begging for mercy in hard times. We should avoid this kind of cheating. When Allah puts you in test, then you should try to find the solutions using the abilities that Allah has installed in you. You know what I mean? For example when you make cars and put one of them to test, then you expect the car to withstand the pressures apllied on it. You'd reject the whole lot of cars if the car put on test doesn't withstand the pressure and starts begging for mercy.
 
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We do whatever we have power over and we still turn to Allaah for sincere help, yes we beg of Him because we are weak and helpless, and we are dependant upon Him, the Almighty.
 
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We do whatever we have power over and we still turn to Allaah for sincere help, yes we beg of Him because we are weak and helpless, and we are dependant upon Him, the Almighty.

It's your own fault if you're weak and helpless. Allah made you strong and powerful. You're one of His best creations. You disgrace Allah when you talk like losers and point out design defects in his best creation. Try to pass the test when you're put to test. I feel inspired when I watch some handicaped and crippled people doing many things like normal persons. When those people respond positively and face the test gracefully, they certainly make Allah proud of them. Follow their example and do the best you can and leave the rest to Allah. Don't disapoint Allah about you by asking for help during your test. That's a kind of unfairmeans even when you ask the help of the examiner in an examination.
 
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Look iqbaal, look at the examples of the Prophets who would do all they have control over and then seek help from Allaah. That's exactly what i said we should do, and if you want to discuss it further - please create another thread.
 
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Look iqbaal, look at the examples of the Prophets who would do all they have control over and then seek help from Allaah. That's exactly what i said we should do, and if you want to discuss it further - please create another thread.

Prophets were the special people of Allah. Allah sent them for nothing but to spread His message. That was entirley a different kind of job which normal human beings are not made for. They couldn't fulfil this abnormal duty so easily. They had some complex problems during the course of their special duty which normal human beings don't have any experience. Therefore, there was no chance of learning from normal human beings. Prophets had to seek the guidance or instructions from Allah. Allah responded to them only and that too through Gibrael. He will not send any advice or instructions to normal human beings. Therefore, stop looking towards Allah for everything. Apply your brain and power to solve your problems. Do your best and leave the rest to Allah. He'll give grade you according to your performance. He might take some marks off if you still insisted on his help.
 
salamualikum....
wow, this convo is veeery interesting....u've both confused me now...

when in times of difficulty u SHOULD'NT turn to Allah??? so who'dja turn to then? afterall there are some situations that are beyond our control....

but i do like the idea of staying strong...and not crippling under the pressure...and tru is true, we are the best of creations (not in an arrogant way)
 
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Bring your proof that Allaah dislikes us calling out to Him, if you're telling the truth. :)
The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:

Indeed the supplication is the worship. [Recorded in Musnad Ahmad]

Then he recited,

And your Lord said: "Call upon Me, I will answer you. Verily, those who scorn My worship they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!''. [Qur'an Ghaafir 40:60]



So praying is better than not praying since you're performing an act of worship. :)
 
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From what I understand, we are weak, we don't have that much power, and therefore we should turn to Allaah Almighty for help.
 
salamualikum....
wow, this convo is veeery interesting....u've both confused me now...

when in times of difficulty u SHOULD'NT turn to Allah??? so who'dja turn to then? afterall there are some situations that are beyond our control....

but i do like the idea of staying strong...and not crippling under the pressure...and tru is true, we are the best of creations (not in an arrogant way)

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You have to turn to Allaah. It is the ones who turn to Allaah and ask Him, call out to Him, and make Dua' to Him, they are the strong ones. The one who fears Allaah is indeed the brave one.
 
salamualikum....
wow, this convo is veeery interesting....u've both confused me now...

when in times of difficulty u SHOULD'NT turn to Allah??? so who'dja turn to then? afterall there are some situations that are beyond our control....

but i do like the idea of staying strong...and not crippling under the pressure...and tru is true, we are the best of creations (not in an arrogant way)

There's no situation which is beyond our control. A situation maybe beyond one person's control though. In these circumstances Allah has already given you the ability to team up with approperiate persons or experts. Apply all those skills and you'd be successful. Have full faith in Allah. He is merciful and never puts you in a test which you cannot withstand. If you find a test very hard, then don't say that Allah made an out of course question paper for you and request Allah to revise the test paper. Read the question carefully again and try to look around you for the answer. Allah has already put all the answers close to us. It's upto us how we look around the world to search the best answer for every situation.

For example if Allah doesn't send rain for a long time, then don't start crying for water. Allah has certainly provided other sources of water near you. Try to preserve them and think of ways how to make them available for your needs. If you don't find any water resources near you, then you must move close to other sources. It's the part of life. Maybe Allah wants you to move for your betterment that's he might have stopped sending the rain for some time.
 
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You have to turn to Allaah. It is the ones who turn to Allaah and ask Him, call out to Him, and make Dua' to Him, they are the strong ones. The one who fears Allaah is indeed the brave one.

Indeed.

He is merciful and never puts you in a test which you cannot withstand.

Yep...

"On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear."
[Qur'an, 2:286]


In the end, Allah knows best and He is the Provider and Helper :D
 
soooo.....is the implication that if u turn to Allah(SWT) in times of difficulty....it means uve failed ur test???????

personally i dont agree... in times of difficulty and distress we shud do both... pray and strive, lest we start thinking were invincible.
 
soooo.....is the implication that if u turn to Allah(SWT) in times of difficulty....it means uve failed ur test???????

personally i dont agree... in times of difficulty and distress we shud do both... pray and strive, lest we start thinking were invincible.


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Sister, we asked for proof but since brother iqbaal hasn't brought any from Qur'an or Sunnah, then we don't need to agree with it. Especially if it contradicts the way of the prophets of Allaah and the righteous.


Guess what Allaah says?


O ye who believe! seek help with patient perseverance and prayer; for Allah is with those who patiently persevere. [Qur'an 2:153]

The tafsir/explanation/interpretation of the verse can be found here inshaa Allaah:
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=1845
 
soooo.....is the implication that if u turn to Allah(SWT) in times of difficulty....it means uve failed ur test???????

personally i dont agree... in times of difficulty and distress we shud do both... pray and strive, lest we start thinking were invincible.

We must pray regularly anyway. That's not the issue here. But to commit irregulaties for praying especially in times of difficulty is not good. In times of difficulty we should adress the problem properly and gracefully.
 
We must pray regularly anyway. That's not the issue here. But to commit irregulaties for praying especially in times of difficulty is not good. In times of difficulty we should adress the problem properly and gracefully.


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Did the Prophet peace be upon him say that? Or is it just your own opinion? :)
 
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Isn't it better to follow whats in the Qur'an brother Iqbaal, then to make up our own assumptions?
 
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Did the Prophet peace be upon him say that? Or is it just your own opinion? :)

Do you mean to say that Prophet peace be upon him forbid us from praying regularly or to commit irregularities or to start praying more than normal in times of difficulty and not to pay attention to resolve the problem properly?

If he said so then please give the proof from Quran and Hadidth as you always claim yourself to be a champion of Quran and Sunnah. You use this very often in order to knock out others when you run out of arguments.
 
hey hey hey....guys im starting to sense some bad vibes!

nwy didnt Rasulallah (SAW) during the battle of Badr, do his best in arranging the army...and then he prayed and prayed and prayed (more than usual) until his cloak fell off his shoulders and then Abu Bakr (RA) came and told him to stop and rest and surley Allah will help them..

and Allah did reinforce them with a thousand angels..and then more.

correct me if im wrong...but that kinda proves we need to pray extra in times of hardship.
 
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