Let us find on what Islam and Christianity agree.

[lifeguard]

Jesus will return on the last day.

Does Christianty say Jesus will return on the last day??

Cuz i believe Muslims believe that he would be back a few years before the end...enlighten me if i'm wrong..

 

[David Gould]

You touch upon the Book of Revelation placed at the end of the Christian Bible about which much debate was had in the early days as to whether it was "inspired to the same degree" as other books that were in the canon of Christian Scripture. Revelation does however suggest that although it appears as several different accounts of eschatology (the science of the end times) there is a clear idea that Jesus will return and usher in a new age before the end of time itself. Some of the symbolism of this book has defeated scholars through the ages and it still in my mind remains a book of problems.

Another little nugget to think about is that the historic figure of Jesus Christ was not called by that name at all. Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua and Christ comes from the Greek Christos meaning Messiah...so he should really be known as Joshua the Messiah. (incidently Christianity is spelt wrong in the title to this thread)

Lastly the point I would like to say about agreement between our faiths which are many is that:-
When we die we all face the Judgement of God.

 

[AntiKarateKid]

You touch upon the Book of Revelation placed at the end of the Christian Bible about which much debate was had in the early days as to whether it was "inspired to the same degree" as other books that were in the canon of Christian Scripture. Revelation does however suggest that although it appears as several different accounts of eschatology (the science of the end times) there is a clear idea that Jesus will return and usher in a new age before the end of time itself. Some of the symbolism of this book has defeated scholars through the ages and it still in my mind remains a book of problems.

Another little nugget to think about is that the historic figure of Jesus Christ was not called by that name at all. Jesus is the Greek form of Joshua and Christ comes from the Greek Christos meaning Messiah...so he should really be known as Joshua the Messiah. (incidently Christianity is spelt wrong in the title to this thread)

Lastly the point I would like to say about agreement between our faiths which are many is that:-
When we die we all face the Judgement of God.

There are many christs in the Bible. The title is not exclusive to Jesus.

 

[David Gould]

There are many christs in the Bible. The title is not exclusive to Jesus.

I though that was my point exactly. The word Christ is from the Greek Christos meaning 'a messiah'. Any person in the historical texts who saved their people was known as a messiah. Joshua (Jesus) was called a Messiah by John the Baptist...before that he would have been know as Joshua son of Joseph...or if he followed his father's profession simply as Joshua Carpenter.

Did I miss it on your list, but don't both Muslims and Christians believe that man is unique in that he has a soul that survives earthly death; in others words is immortal.

 

[Zafran]

Did I miss it on your list, but don't both Muslims and Christians believe that man is unique in that he has a soul that survives earthly death; in others words is immortal.[/QUOTE]


Jesus pbuh is a normal man who will die in the future - so no human is immortal.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Does Christianty say Jesus will return on the last day??

Cuz i believe Muslims believe that he would be back a few years before the end...enlighten me if i'm wrong..

Not THE last day, but in the last days.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Jesus pbuh is a normal man who will die in the future - so no human is immortal.

Without regard to the divinity/humanity of Jesus, when Christians speak of humans being immortal, we don't mean that we don't die, but that after physical death we still continue to live as spiritual beings and that one then lives in eternal torments apart from God (spiritual death) or eternal joy in fellowship with God (eternal life). Either way then we are immortal.

Is not Islam similar in its beliefs regarding the continuation of our spiritual existence after our physical death.

Futher, Christianity also believes that with the coming of the Messiah at (or near) the end of time, that there is a physical resurrection of the righteous to new life. How close is that to what Islam beleives?

 

[Zafran]

Futher, Christianity also believes that with the coming of the Messiah at (or near) the end of time, that there is a physical resurrection of the righteous to new life. How close is that to what Islam beleives?

Its a physical ressurection of everybody - thats after the world has ended - then everybody is ressurected and Judged by Allah swt - known as the day of Ressurection.

 

[love_quran]

I see alot of great discussion:happy: on Noah as well as Jesus's role at the end times (if I may be allowed to call it as such). Can we come to some consensus as to how these topics can be stated for the list?

:hmm: Also, if i mispelled "Christianity" can you please give me the correct spelling? :muddlehea

Thank you all for good discussion and contributions to the list!:happy:


PS: I should be doing a post of the updated list on wednesday. (EST) Please let me know if you would like me to make add the updated list to the originating post of this thread. :muddlehea

 

[Grace Seeker]

:hmm: Also, if i mispelled "Christianity" can you please give me the correct spelling? :muddlehea

You have it spelled correctly when you typed it in this post. It is in the title to the thread that an extra unnecessary "n" has been added before the final "t".

 

[love_quran]

You have it spelled correctly when you typed it in this post. It is in the title to the thread that an extra unnecessary "n" has been added before the final "t".

Whoa talk about learning better just how imperfect oneself is !

My deepest apologies for the error...If it were possible for me to correct the spelling i certainly would. But, it seems, even in edit mode, it is not an option. I hope this has not offended away anyone from participation in making the list.

 

[love_quran]

Ok given there is no consensus:? at this time on the Issues of Jesus at the "end times" and Noah:bump1: I will not be making an update on the list as yet.

I'll check back next week to see how things are progressing:muddlehea (i use the local library computers 2 days a week most weeks so that would normally be when i'll be back here anyway).

 

[Woodrow]

While there are many similarities between Christianity and Islam there is one insurmountable difference and that is the nature of Prophet Isa(as).

For the sake of humanity and peaceful coexistence we need to focus on that if both of us lived as we profess our perspective religions tell us too, blood battles would be an impossibility between us. We are in nearly 100% agreement as to what is sinful.

The fact is we both have people that are members of our faiths in name only and do not follow the teachings of either of us. For Centuries Christians and Muslims have co-existed in Peace we need to look back and see why we got along in the past and return to the ways we should treat each other.

 

[Beardo]

While there are many similarities between Christianity and Islam there is one insurmountable difference and that is the nature of Prophet Isa(as).

For the sake of humanity and peaceful coexistence we need to focus on that if both of us lived as we profess our perspective religions tell us too, blood battles would be an impossibility between us. We are in nearly 100% agreement as to what is sinful.

The fact is we both have people that are members of our faiths in name only and do not follow the teachings of either of us. For Centuries Christians and Muslims have co-existed in Peace we need to look back and see why we got along in the past and return to the ways we should treat each other.

Never thought of it that way. But where in history did exactly this change? Was it 9/11 or did changes gradually take place before that?

I'm not sure if we are "only" members of own faiths. However, we should learn to respect each other's feelings and understanding. I believe the biggest problem is judging not by the cover, but by the headlines of the news.

But I do agree, that to my limited knowledge, that our rulings are very much similar.

 

[Grace Seeker]

Never thought of it that way. But where in history did exactly this change? Was it 9/11 or did changes gradually take place before that?

No. It was not 9/11. That was at best a sympton of the problem that already existed and the horrible state it had once again reached in the present. But while there have been many centuries of peaceful co-existence I believe the issues go back to even before the crusades. Perhaps all the way back to the beginning. They rise up for a time and then disappear again. But as long as both groups believe that they exclusively have THE TRUTH and that all others are in error, and then that belief is coupled with a strong desire to prosleytize and to do so with intolerance of others that are different, there is going to be conflict between the two.

 

[glo]

But as long as both groups believe that they exclusively have THE TRUTH and that all others are in error, and then that belief is coupled with a strong desire to proselytize and to do so with intolerance of others that are different, there is going to be conflict between the two.

I agree.
And that's evident even on a very small scale in a forum such as this.

Let's roll up our sleeves (if only to our elbows) - there's work to be done!

 

[Grace Seeker]

We have been focusing on areas of agreement, maybe we need to recognize not all of the things in which Islam and Christianity agree are necessarily good. While it may not be that our religions promote violence, I think we have to admit that there are many violent people who at least make use of the name of both of our religions for their own violent purposes. And though we may wish to say that they don't actually represent the truth faith, they get far too much tacit support from those who would consider themselves true followers. Maybe we need to admit that another thing that Muslims and Christians have in common are groups of people within their respective communities that are intolerant of those who differ from them and erroneously justify their intolerance based on an inappropriate view of their own righteousness.

Maybe we need to agree that people who say "It's my way or the highway." are poor representatives of what it means to be either a Muslim or a Christian?

 

[love_quran]

We have been focusing on areas of agreement, maybe we need to recognize not all of the things in which Islam and Christianity agree are necessarily good. While it may not be that our religions promote violence, I think we have to admit that there are many violent people who at least make use of the name of both of our religions for their own violent purposes. And though we may wish to say that they don't actually represent the truth faith, they get far too much tacit support from those who would consider themselves true followers. Maybe we need to admit that another thing that Muslims and Christians have in common are groups of people within their respective communities that are intolerant of those who differ from them and erroneously justify their intolerance based on an inappropriate view of their own righteousness.

Maybe we need to agree that people who say "It's my way or the highway." are poor representatives of what it means to be either a Muslim or a Christian?

All this happen in the last 2.5 days??? I hope we arent getting to horribly off-track here. Maybe someone can contribute an item to list.

As to the "true faith concept". I cannot see _anyone_ believing Allah/God just sets things in motion (creation), and doent reveal some form of _Authentic_, _Guiding_ path/deen that can be, or should be able to be differentiated from other less-authentic or corrupted or outright false religions.

In all the religious wanderings i have had, ive yet to meet one religious person that thought God was so careless, that He wouldnt lovingly guide his Creatures to at least a "Better" way.

Anyway. :exhausted.let's please get back to the list in general and keep on with what is Peaceful and Unifying :happy:

 

[David Gould]

Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error:
Whoever rejects evil and believes in God
has grasped the most trustworthy handhold,
that never breaks.
Qur’an Surah 2 Ayat 256

This verse coming just after the famous Kursi verse (throne in Arabic) speaks to me as a Christian and as a person. I find so often when studying the Holy Qur'an that there are beautiful passages that I as a believer can really resonate with. The simple fact is that there is only one God so when He inspires man to speak His words we should not be surprised to find they hold the same message. Personally I have a great love of Scripture and find the same God within the pages.

Woodrow could you tell me more about the problem you suggest we have over Isaac...is this the slight difference between Jewish accounts and the Qur'an as to which son was to be sacrificed? I believe that the same problem is covered by the Torah...but it will need someone better versed than I to dig out the reference.

Muslim Scholars in the past have contributed so much to the knowledge and philosophy of the world...a fact recognised in the 14th century when there was more cross pollination of ideas and more scholarly debate between Christians and Islam. Modern maths itself came from Arabic scholarship. But somehow knowledge can stagnate and not move forward especially if we distrust each other so much as has been suggested that some do.

This forum is a wonderful example of how we can learn from each other if we are open to the ideas of others. Also I feel it is wonderful to share spirituality with members of other faiths even if on occasions it is a humbling experience.

 

[Woodrow]

Woodrow could you tell me more about the problem you suggest we have over Isaac...is this the slight difference between Jewish accounts and the Qur'an as to which son was to be sacrificed? I believe that the same problem is covered by the Torah...but it will need someone better versed than I to dig out the reference.

Peace David, good to see you again. I seldom get over to Care2 anymore and have not been here very often lately.

If you are refering to my last post here I was speaking of Isa(as) known to you as Jesus(as). We do respect him highly and see him as one the most beloved of Prophets. We do not share the concept of him being God(swt) as seen by Christians.

In regards to Isaac(as) I do not have the Judaic views off hand, but it does seem that some of the Jews at one time did attribute the same concept of divinity to Isaac. to some extent this has been mentioned in the Ahadith and the Qur'an.