sister i agree with your post however children are good at telling a few false tails here and there like i worked with a woman who's 9 year old child accused her fiance of slapping him she then broke off the engagement but she found out later it was all a big fat lie also i am fully aware that there is bad eggs everywhere like you will find good teachers and then you will find Aggressive ones but i believe on that little important rule you need prove to convict somebody of child abuse it is a very big word imagine on judgement day a man was totally innocent after all??
after getting his status in the community ruined how could you take a childs word for it? you need evidence you need hard solid prove and they would more then likely have to have a past conviction from abusing another child as 90percent of abusers normally do as for the insulting that is wrong but then i would take my child out of that place or have a word with the person who's over the place to have a word with him or give him a warning.
Are you trying to hint that my son is telling lies? Since I am hearing this from him? Let me clear this for you and not because he is my son. But because it's the truth. Firstly, my son is not one of the children who's being hit. In the beginning, I feared my son would not adjust to the ten and a half hour day at madrasa and I was prepared to go and sit there until he got used to it. Secondly, my son only mentioned what he did because when I enrolled him there, a sister who's very young child was learning Quran there told me they did not hit children. We had assumed this applied to the learning in the Madrasah. But no it was about some other class held at the madrasah. So when my son started going there and saw kids being hit, he said,
"I thought they didn't hit kids there." He was not telling tales. Just confused. I was shocked and asked, "They hit them?" His answer was yes. My son doesn't need to tell tales as he has no reason to. Despite what he sees, he loves learning and comes home and teaches me what I don't know - even forces me! If I say I'm tired he tells me if he can do it for three and a half hours a day so can I. He's has been praying five times daily long before he started madrasah but before I had to remind him. Now he does it himself. He shares his new found knowledge with me with enthusiasm.
Does this sound to you like a kid who is telling tales in the hope of getting out of school or trouble?
The verbal abuse came to my attention when he asked me what a certain word meant as he doesn't know all pakistani words. It was an insulting word and I asked him where he'd heard it from. He said the teacher was saying it to a boy. He
never told me the teacher added extra names to his name too when he called him to read out his lesson. I asked, and then he told me. I stayed quiet because if I'd shown him I was angry, it would've probably rubbed off on him. I won't even allow my son to disrespect bad teachers. I will deal with them myself.
This is how I have learnt what I have. Not from my son telling tales. So please think before you give hints like that. If my son does wrong I will punish him. But I won't have people who don't know my son suggest to me that they know him better than I do.
Children only do what they see from others. Their minds are like sponges, they'll absorb everything.
Parents want their kids to become huffadh and never commit any sin when they themselves can't attend the compulsory prayers in the masjid.
That is the biggest problem in our community. I can't stand parents who have never taught their kids respect for their elders, teachers and anyone else. It's when these start back-chatting their parents they show them the door to the madrasa. It's these kids who provoke the teachers anger and they should be dealt with severely. But some kids are beaten when they are not even misbehaving. But again, they should not be beating, as it's not fair for the other kids to see and feel fearful or even hateful of their teacher. But adults should know better and be in control of themselves. There has to be some sort of program to help these children see that their behavior is unacceptable and damaging to themselves. There is no use crying over split milk. If parents have failed to do what they should have then as a madrasa is a place of learning, the teachers should for the sake of them becoming good muslims try and help them change their behavior. Children love to learn. But even an enthusiastic child will lose interest in a harsh and unfriendly environment. You said it yourself. Children do what children see. I fear for the next generation of adults - some who will end up teaching in mosques beating children just as they used to be beaten themselves.
Woodrow;1233728]I tink the problem lies in the fault of the individual instructors. Some see physical discipline as being effective and proper and permitted if done in the guidlines of the Qur'an and Ahadeeth. Those teachers will act with caution and love using physical discipline sparingly and only when specifiaclly needed. Other teahers interpret it as meaning it is required to use physical discipline on all children and is the only method of teaching
So the guidline to use is the local communities need to be certain the teachrs are effective teachers who do not transgress beyond the levels permitted. In other words, parents need to be protectors of their children and not automatically assume a teacher is a good teacher because she/he uses the title of teacher.
Concerned, caring parents who live with guidance are the key to having good effective teachers in a community.
MashaAllah, what a sensible post! There are no guidelines at present, and every teacher seems to be able to do as he pleases. A little girl was sexually abused by one of the ustaad's at a nearby moque thank God action was taken and he was fired. Since then they have female teachers in a separate building for the girls. But that is just one mosque. There needs to be an umbrella organisation which monitors, mentors, checks potential teachers backgrounds and set guidelines on how to deal with problems. But who is going to do that? Any muslim who has some power and authority to help a community is stuck in some TV studio with yet another talk about muslims should do this and that. But no one actively gets up and does it. Everyone wants to preach. But no one wants to practice. There are influential personalities who can do more but they don't. They are like autumn trees. You can sit on their branches, but they don't provide any shade.
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what i actually meant by parents being to westernized is that nowadays they think that a slap on the hand or wrist or hit with a pen on the fingers is child abuse sister which is absolutely disgraceful and sickens me to accuse a knowledge man/woman who gave ther life to teaching kids holy Qur'an and teaches it the only way they know and then we have these people who are so far away from islam calling the cops to come down and put the hand cuffs on him/her as if they are criminals?? they don't feel any shame that i see with my own eyes in the west children calling the police on there own parents you tell me is it right sister??because the western society influence them. where do we draw the line?? we will give everybody to much freedom will we and let them do what they want because its not modern to discipline a child anymore. who are we to judge who are we to call somebody a child abuser when we have probably slapped our own child ourselves for misbehaving in front of his elders. Allah will know the true abusers on the day of judgement
The point I'm trying to make it that children should not be BEATEN > like so :hiding: for being forgetful, slow and even a little naughty at school. You cannot whack a child with a rolled up magazine and tell him to read a verse telling man to be merciful to others. Do you get the point? This isn't about accusing one individual. It's a general problem. It is abuse and encourages children to insult others in public too. Those children who are rude and disruptive should be taken out of class. Because a teacher in a bad mood treats other children badly too. The child's parents should be called in. And the problem behind the child's behaviour identified. Parents need to advised where needed. If the atmosphere at home is unislamic and the parents themselves have no standards when it comes to islamic morals and etiquette then the child will follow their lead and be under the impression that the teachers will put up with them just like their parents do. This has nothing to do with the West. This problem is ours and existed long before child protection laws came into act. Instead of brushing it under the carpet we should be trying to solve it. And to do that we have to stop living under the illusion that all teachers are capable of doing their job properly. Bad parents and bad teachers are more dangerous to the muslim community than our enemies.
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hew. Only if a child is disruptive and prevents the other children from learning, or if they insult Islam in any way, or they break the madrassa rules, are they liable to be swiftly punished as a reminder to all, 
though they are never hit around the head.
I had no intention to hurt ur feelings ; so sorry sis :embarrass :hiding:
