What Would Jesus (pbuh) Be?

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Its not me who is discrediting him, its your Bible .And Yes , we do respect Jesus as how we respect all prophets and we dont have such offensive or disrespectful things writtem about him in the Quran
With all respect, Airforce, I disagree.

You are randomly quoting Bible verses, without taking heed to the context they are written/spoken in, seemingly with the implicit intent to show Jesus/Isa (pbuh) in a negative light.
I am sure I could do the same with Muhammed (pbuh), if I wanted to. The simple truth is, I don't want to. I respect the man Muhammed too much, and I respect and love my Muslim brothers and sisters too much to wish to hurt their feelings in such a way!

You are putting words into Jesus' mouth, which he never said about himself ...
You are quoting Bible verses which don't refer to Jesus at all ...

Really, gain a better understanding of the Bible before you attempt to discredit it.
And please don't defame Jesus.
I know you wouldn't like it, if anybody did this to Muhammed (pbuh)


May the peace of God be with you.
 
With all respect, Airforce, I disagree.

You are randomly quoting Bible verses, without taking heed to the context they are written/spoken in, seemingly with the implicit intent to show Jesus/Isa (pbuh) in a negative light.
I am sure I could do the same with Muhammed (pbuh), if I wanted to. The simple truth is, I don't want to. I respect the man Muhammed too much, and I respect and love my Muslim brothers and sisters too much to wish to hurt their feelings in such a way!

You are putting words into Jesus' mouth, which he never said about himself ...
You are quoting Bible verses which don't refer to Jesus at all ...

Really, gain a better understanding of the Bible before you attempt to discredit it.
And please don't defame Jesus.
I know you wouldn't like it, if anybody did this to Muhammed (pbuh)


May the peace of God be with you.

Although I find his tone about prophet Jesus(pbuh) a lil bit disrespectful and ofcourse I disagree with it, however it can be observed that this wasn't his intention, I think he was trying to show that Jesus(pbuh) is not what some here keep saying about him that he loves to be in the company of sinners etc etc, but if needed he will use force and anger to correct the offenders against god. See how you reacted when you found the poster's words disrespectful about Jesus(pbuh), you were simply acting based on your innate nature, you got angry and stood up to defend the prophet of ALLAH(swt). This is how Jesus(pbuh) would react to ones who blaspheme against god and transgress his bounds, he would act militantly if needed.

And BTW, all the quotes were indeed uttered by Jesus(pbuh) except the last one which grace corrected him about.
 
You know why ? Because you call him lord , he is not your lord and not your god . Thats the reason . You make him into a god, when he told you to worship the father in heaven . And He said come ,come , I' ll teach you how to pray and Like a little baby . like a little child , he puts the words in your mouth and tells you to pray like this
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
(Matthew 7:15-23)

Now, we can look at the verse in context. Here, Jesus is essentially saying that not everyone who called Him and proclaims Him Lord will enter Heaven, because though they call Him Lord, they do bad deeds, they take the love and mercy of Jesus for granted, they sin and they do not repent. He's saying only the people who call Him Lord and obey God's commandments will enter Heaven; you cannot just do one and not the others, there is not compromise.

I think it's probably your poor grasp of English more than anything else.
 
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And please don't defame Jesus.
I know you wouldn't like it, if anybody did this to Muhammed (pbuh)

No we wouldn't. Also, we would would not like anyone besmirching the name of Eesa/Jesus (alyhis salaam). Please know this: that Eesa (alayhis salaam) is one of the five greatest prophets of Islam, which include:

1. Muhammad (salalAllahu alayhi wa sallam) - The leader of and seal to, all prophets before him.

2. Ibrahim / Abraham

3. Musa / Moses

4. Isa / Jesus

5. Nuh / Noah

Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all. The are the most pious men known to humanity and a role model for all Muslims. :)

Fee Amaanillah.
 
No we wouldn't. Also, we would would not like anyone besmirching the name of Eesa/Jesus (alyhis salaam). Please know this: that Eesa (alayhis salaam) is one of the five greatest prophets of Islam, which include:

1. Muhammad (salalAllahu alayhi wa sallam) - The leader of and seal to, all prophets before him.

2. Ibrahim / Abraham

3. Musa / Moses

4. Isa / Jesus

5. Nuh / Noah

Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all. The are the most pious men known to humanity and a role model for all Muslims. :)

Fee Amaanillah.


May I ask, obviously you know what Muhammed was like, but seeing as the last four prophets have most of their information within the Bible, and you believe the Bible to be false and untrue, other than a few brief mentions within the Quran, how do you know anything about those prophets?
 
Here, Jesus is essentially saying that not everyone who called Him and proclaims Him Lord will enter Heaven, because though they call Him Lord, they do bad deeds, they take the love and mercy of Jesus for granted, they sin and they do not repent. He's saying only the people who call Him Lord and obey God's commandments will enter Heaven; you cannot just do one and not the others, there is not compromise.

Jesus was telling you do the mighty works in the Name of the Father - God almighty and not in the name of Jesus because the Father is the One and Only God and not in the name of Jesus ,so it looks like you didnt understand

I think it's probably your poor grasp of English more than anything else.

No i thinks its you who cant grasp English nor any other language , you understand gibberish because you believe

Father +Son+ Holy Ghost = 1 God
1+1+1 = 1 God

If you and your 2 brothers are 3 identical triplets , if one of you commit murder can we hang the other
No , because he is a different person.What makes him different .His personality

when you say the Father , u are not thinking of the holy ghost and when u say Jesus , u are not thinking of the father , when u sayHoly ghost m , u arent thinking of the Jesus , are u ?. There are 3 distinct persons with distinct mental pictures and personalities no matter how hard you try you cannot super-impose and create one , there will ever be 3 in your mind. The Trinity is a flawed logic.

And Both the Quran and the Bible claim that GOD Almighty is an Absolute One and only One:

"Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)"

"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)"

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)"

Notice also how Jesus said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty.
 
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May I ask, obviously you know what Muhammed was like, but seeing as the last four prophets have most of their information within the Bible, and you believe the Bible to be false and untrue, other than a few brief mentions within the Quran, how do you know anything about those prophets?

From the Qur'an of course. Their lives are recounted in the Qur'an (more so than in the Bible) and tafseer (commentary/exegesis) of the Qur'aan by notable classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Kathir.

I suggest you read "Qasas al-anbiyah (Stories of the Prophets)" by Ibn Kathir. We know more authentic information from the Qur'an without ever having to look at the Bible, which, yes, we believe has been changed by man over time and therefore contains errors. It seems you have limited knowledge of Islamic beliefs and I appreciate that's why you're here, and I'm glad of that so that we can clear the misconceptions for you :).
 
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No we wouldn't. Also, we would would not like anyone besmirching the name of Eesa/Jesus (alyhis salaam). Please know this: that Eesa (alayhis salaam) is one of the five greatest prophets of Islam, which include:

1. Muhammad (salalAllahu alayhi wa sallam) - The leader of and seal to, all prophets before him.

2. Ibrahim / Abraham

3. Musa / Moses

4. Isa / Jesus

5. Nuh / Noah

Peace and blessings of Allaah be upon them all. The are the most pious men known to humanity and a role model for all Muslims. :)

Fee Amaanillah.

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I am always perplexed why christians get so offended when you quote the bible for them? Does the whole world have to see its lies through the same rose tinted glasses that they do? That is what their scribes have offered. If they feel it doesn't reconcile with the nature of their mangod to be so vengeful and so 'loving' at the same time, perhaps they should look for deeper answers else where instead of questioning people on motive.


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I am always perplexed why christians get so offended when you quote the bible for them? Does the whole world have to see its lies through the same rose tinted glasses that they do? That is what their scribes have offered. If they feel it doesn't reconcile with the nature of their mangod to be so vengeful and so 'loving' at the same time, perhaps they should look for deeper answers else where instead of questioning people on motive.


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Yeah ,they ignore the practical teachings of the Bible and discard the Jewish Law followed by Jesus (Matthew 5:17-20, 23:23) they practice what is called ‘selective morality’ and ignore the teachings of the Gospels, paying close attention to the epistles of Paul (only).

· Jesus commanded fasting (Matthew 4:2, 6:16) yet Christians do not fast.
· Jesus abstained from eating pork and drinking wine (Leviticus 10:9, 11:7, Matthew 5:17-20) yet Christians practice the exact opposite, they eat pork and drink wine! Paul said it was okay to drink wine 1Timothy 5:23.

· Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day of infancy (Luke 1:59) yet Christians are not circumcised like Jesus. This equates to death penalty (Genesis 17:14)

· Jesus established the death penalty for those who abandon his teachings (John 15:6) yet Christians have abandoned his teaching but they are not being punished accordingly! The governments of Christian countries reject the Jewish Law because of the innovations of Paul. (He made everything permissible for them!)
 
Jesus commanded fasting (Matthew 4:2, 6:16) yet Christians do not fast.

My church is hosting a fast this month, I'm actually going to participate in it. Moot point.

Jesus abstained from eating pork and drinking wine (Leviticus 10:9, 11:7, Matthew 5:17-20) yet Christians practice the exact opposite, they eat pork and drink wine! Paul said it was okay to drink wine 1Timothy 5:23.


Jesus was a Jew, so couldn't eat pork. He couldn't eat pork anyway though, it was actually not allowed in Holy Land. He also drank wine. Heck, He even turned water into wine!

· Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day of infancy (Luke 1:59) yet Christians are not circumcised like Jesus. This equates to death penalty (Genesis 17:14)

Some Christians are, especially in America. Although it's a Jewish law intended for the Jews, not the Gentiles.

Jesus established the death penalty for those who abandon his teachings (John 15:6) yet Christians have abandoned his teaching but they are not being punished accordingly! The governments of Christian countries reject the Jewish Law because of the innovations of Paul. (He made everything permissible for them!)

If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
I'm not sure how you could have possibly interpreted from this verse that Jesus advocates the death penalty. I don't know of any scholar, even the mediocre ones, who say that this verse equates to Jesus permitting the death penalty. What a load of rubbish. As I said previously, it's most likely your poor grasp of English than your lack of understanding.

From the Qur'an of course. Their lives are recounted in the Qur'an (more so than in the Bible) and tafseer (commentary/exegesis) of the Qur'aan by notable classical Muslim scholars such as Ibn Kathir.

Cheers mate, could you give me passages referring to the story of Moses say?
 
Yeah ,they ignore the practical teachings of the Bible and discard the Jewish Law followed by Jesus (Matthew 5:17-20, 23:23) they practice what is called ‘selective morality’ and ignore the teachings of the Gospels, paying close attention to the epistles of Paul (only).

· Jesus commanded fasting (Matthew 4:2, 6:16) yet Christians do not fast.
· Jesus abstained from eating pork and drinking wine (Leviticus 10:9, 11:7, Matthew 5:17-20) yet Christians practice the exact opposite, they eat pork and drink wine! Paul said it was okay to drink wine 1Timothy 5:23.

· Jesus was circumcised on the eighth day of infancy (Luke 1:59) yet Christians are not circumcised like Jesus. This equates to death penalty (Genesis 17:14)

· Jesus established the death penalty for those who abandon his teachings (John 15:6) yet Christians have abandoned his teaching but they are not being punished accordingly! The governments of Christian countries reject the Jewish Law because of the innovations of Paul. (He made everything permissible for them!)

I agree.. then they quote passages about deeds and intentions having to match, but as usual it all comes up empty!


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May I ask, obviously you know what Muhammed was like, but seeing as the last four prophets have most of their information within the Bible, and you believe the Bible to be false and untrue, other than a few brief mentions within the Quran, how do you know anything about those prophets?

I suggest you read the quran before making claims like that, we have whole chapters on prophets, even named after them

The hadith (sayings) of the prophet Muhammad have detail about them as well
 
Cheers mate, could you give me passages referring to the story of Moses say?

aadil77 has kindly posted the links to the accounts of Moses (peace be upon him). Interestingly Musa or Moses is the prophet which the Qur'an talks most about.
 
My church is hosting a fast this month, I'm actually going to participate in it. Moot point.

Only this month, ?

For us , its one of the 5 pillars of Islam thus a MUST and obligatory and we muslims fast 30 days every year and also on other occasions

Jesus was a Jew, so couldn't eat pork. He couldn't eat pork anyway though, it was actually not allowed in Holy Land

It isnt allowed in your Bible

Leviticus 11:8
You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Are you practicing selective morality , since you want to eat pork , you ignore the above verse

Although it's a Jewish law intended for the Jews, not the Gentiles.

Well if you follow Jesus , then arent you're supposed to do what his practices does, like we follow Muhammad

He also drank wine. Heck, He even turned water into wine!

Not all Christians drink wine or alcohol. The Christian Mormons don't drink it nor use it in their church. and the mormons say that Wine is grape juice and not an alcoholic one. People misunderstood it. Alcohol including wine was scientifically proven to cause serious mental illness and damages.
Why would the "Real Holy Bible" allow for us to drink something that causes lots of mental damages for us? especially after knowing the fact that in Hebrew grape juice was often referred to as wine.
Jesus converted water into grape juice as one of his miracles that Allah Almighty granted for him, and said that his blood is like grape juice.
We must first explore the meaning of the word "Wine." Looking at the dictionary one can learn that the word "Wine" has following meanings.

wine
1.A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various other fruits or plants
2.A beverage made of the fermented juice of any of various kinds of grapes, usually containing from 10 to 15 percent alcohol by volume
3. Something that intoxicates or exhilarates.

Let us keep this fact in mind that the word [wine] does not automatically carry connotations [in dictionary] of an intoxicant drink, it is more obviously used for juice. Looking into the issue further we see that word [alcohol] means:

al·co·hol (²l"k.-hôl", -h¼l") n. 1. Abbr. al., alc. A colorless, volatile, flammable liquid, C2H5OH, synthesized or obtained by fermentation of sugars and starches and widely used, either pure or denatured, as a solvent and in drugs, cleaning solutions, explosives, and intoxicating beverages. Also called ethanol, ethyl alcohol, grain alcohol. 2. Intoxicating liquor containing alcohol. 3. Any of a series of hydroxyl compounds, the simplest of which are derived from saturated hydrocarbons, have the general formula CnH2n+1OH, and include ethanol and methanol. [Medieval Latin, fine metallic powder, especially of antimony, from Arabic al-ku¡l : al, the + ku¡l, powder of antimony.]

Since Bible does not prove and/or indicates that alleged wine was intoxicant, It is therefore safe to say that it is inconceivable for a great Prophet Jesus to act in such contradictory fashion to turn water into intoxicant [wine] as we know it by proven record that intoxicants [alcoholic beverages] are responsible of social and moral bankruptcy of western world [in form of drunk driving accidental deaths, rape, incest, murder, suicide and more].

The Bible says :

Do not drink wine nor strong drink (Leviticus 10:9)
Wine [is] a mocker, strong drink [is] raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. (Proverbs 20:1)
For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. (Proverbs 4:17)
But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble [in] judgment. (Isaiah 28:7)
Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth. (Joel 1:5)

*****dom and wine and new wine take away the heart. (Hosea 4:11)



Jesus was made to drink wine not that he wanted :

Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. (Mark 14:25)

Jesus was made to transform water into wine
Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare [it]. When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom, (John 2:7-9)

If the Gospels were written by the disciples of Jesus, then the miracle would have been reversed, the transforming of wine into water instead of water into wine. Jesus would never praise wine because it was the poison that caused Noah to get drunk, and Lot to commit incest!

Prophet Lot commits incest from wine
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, [and] lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. (Genesis 19:33-26)

According to the Bible, the Prophet Noah got drunk!
And Noah began [to be] an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid [it] upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces [were] backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed [be] Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (Genesis 9:20-25)


Although these stories are false because they teaches blasphemy against the holy Prophets Noah and Lot, they still convey a moral lesson for mankind that alcohol (wine) is the most dangerous substance that should be rejected by the true followers of Jesus.

Muslims are the true followers of Jesus because they practice his teachings, the abstinence from alcohol and the consumption of forbidden foods, and they observe fasting. The 12 disciples fasted after Jesus’ departure, and Muslims obey their teachings whereas the “Christians” today neglect these laws.

Islam, the Kingdom of God, forbids the consumption of alcohol, and purges the society from all social evils.Alcoholic drinks are the only poison that is licensed in many countries. However, Islam took a clear attitude towards alcoholic drinks more than 1400 years ago. Islam prohibits such drinks. Any drink that causes drunkenness is prohibited in Islam regardless of the matter it is made from and regardless of the quantity. According to Islam, if too much of a drink causes drunkenness, then any small quantity of this drink is prohibited, because all alcoholics start with small quantities, and then they become the slaves of alcohol


Paul, the corrupter of the Gospel, made the drinking of wine permissible (1Timothy 5:23) and the Gospel writers reflected his teaching. and This cocktail quality of Western civilization proves that the people of the West are not satisfied with the social structure or the values of their societies and that is why they keep inventing new social trends and ideologies. With this Western chaos of ideologies, how can the ordinary man find mental pace

aadil77 has kindly posted the links to the accounts of Moses (peace be upon him). Interestingly Musa or Moses is the prophet which the Qur'an talks most about.

Yeah Moses is mentioned 136 times in the Quran and Muhammad only 5 times
 
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Paul never did like the old law thats why he decided to abrogate it and create a new one. Should Christianity have been called Paulanity as he has much more influence than Christ ever did.
 
Should Christianity have been called Paulanity as he has much more influence than Christ ever did.

My words exactly , they should be called Paulians and not Christians. Any Knowledgeable christian would say that the True founder of Christianity is St Paul and not Jesus (PBUH)
 
Only this month, ?

What do you mean 'only this month'? You made a claim, I disproved it, you never said 'Christians never fast for more than a month a year'!

or us , its one of the 5 pillars of Islam thus a MUST and obligatory and we muslims fast 30 days every year and also on other occasions

Good for you, I'm not entirely sure what you want me to say...?

Leviticus 11:8
You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Are you practicing selective morality , since you want to eat pork , you ignore the above verse

'Selective morality', 'Gentile reasoning', call it what you want. James the Just settled these issues in the church's early days, it's rarely ever been debated again. It was agreed that to become Christian, one does not have to first become a Jew, and thereby does not have to abide by Jewish law.

Well if you follow Jesus , then arent you're supposed to do what his practices does, like we follow Muhammad

His practises? Like dying on a cross and being resurrected? Or walking on water? No one can ever hope to aspire to imitate the practises of Jesus, they would be impossible.


Not all Christians drink wine or alcohol. The Christian Mormons don't drink it nor use it in their church. and the mormons say that Wine is grape juice and not an alcoholic one. People misunderstood it. Alcohol including wine was scientifically proven to cause serious mental illness and damages.


Mormons seem drunk already, what with their beliefs of the events of the New Testament actually happening in America and their Book of Mormon that explains we'll all be gods of our own universes when we die! They are a small sect, no more Christian than Buddhists or Sikhs in their beliefs. As you can tell, no mainstream Christian denomination takes their beliefs on whether or not Jesus drank Shloer seriously.

Jesus converted water into grape juice as one of his miracles that Allah Almighty granted for him, and said that his blood is like grape juice.

Is there any evidence for this aside from Mormon beliefs?

Since Bible does not prove and/or indicates that alleged wine was intoxicant, It is therefore safe to say that it is inconceivable for a great Prophet Jesus to act in such contradictory fashion to turn water into intoxicant [wine] as we know it by proven record that intoxicants [alcoholic beverages] are responsible of social and moral bankruptcy of western world [in form of drunk driving accidental deaths, rape, incest, murder, suicide and more].

Since the Bible does not prove it? It says Jesus converted water into wine, not grape juice! What further evidence do you need? Would you rather the Gospel authors wrote a definition of what kind of wine Jesus was drinking in the margine? Or that they wrote an essay re-affirming Jesus' consumption of wine just in case two thousand years it is inconcievable to a religion that claims Him as one of their prophets that He should drink wine? The fact is, wine was not just a supplemant to Jewish society then and now, it was obligatory. Men an women had to drink at least four cups of wine at the passover, and it was even used in the Holy Temple! I'm not quite sure how you could have arrived at the conclusion that Jesus, who grew up in this society of win consumption and obligation, was in fact drinking 'grape juice', despite being a Jew Himself and therefore being involved in such ceremonies where wine was drunk!

If the Gospels were written by the disciples of Jesus, then the miracle would have been reversed, the transforming of wine into water instead of water into wine. Jesus would never praise wine because it was the poison that caused Noah to get drunk, and Lot to commit incest

Jesus neither praised wine nor criticized it. He simply asked His followers to view wine from then on as His blood. We Protestants believe this is symbollic, wheras Catholics believe Jesus' blood is actually present in the Eucharist.

Although these stories are false because they teaches blasphemy against the holy Prophets Noah and Lot, they still convey a moral lesson for mankind that alcohol (wine) is the most dangerous substance that should be rejected by the true followers of Jesus.

Blasaphemy? Holy? Why such almost God like veneration of prophets- they were mere humans, and therefore restricted to the same mistakes and not in any way perfect!

Muslims are the true followers of Jesus because they practice his teachings, the abstinence from alcohol and the consumption of forbidden foods, and they observe fasting. The 12 disciples fasted after Jesus’ departure, and Muslims obey their teachings whereas the “Christians” today neglect these laws

I've already addressed these issues. Forget them, move on.

Islam, the Kingdom of God, forbids the consumption of alcohol, and purges the society from all social evils.Alcoholic drinks are the only poison that is licensed in many countries. However, Islam took a clear attitude towards alcoholic drinks more than 1400 years ago. Islam prohibits such drinks. Any drink that causes drunkenness is prohibited in Islam regardless of the matter it is made from and regardless of the quantity. According to Islam, if too much of a drink causes drunkenness, then any small quantity of this drink is prohibited, because all alcoholics start with small quantities, and then they become the slaves of alcohol


Good for you, again I'm not sure what you'd like me to say.

aadil77 has kindly posted the links to the accounts of Moses (peace be upon him). Interestingly Musa or Moses is the prophet which the Qur'an talks most about.

That is interesting. But Moses is the most important figure in Judaism.

Paul never did like the old law thats why he decided to abrogate it and create a new one. Should Christianity have been called Paulanity as he has much more influence than Christ ever did.
I wouldn't say it was just Paul. Peter was probably equal rank, if not greater in authority, and had just as much an important role in the new church establishment. I wonder if they got on.
 
That is interesting. But Moses is the most important figure in Judaism.

One of the scholars said that the ummah (communtiy) of Moses, i.e. Bani Israeel (the child of israel/jews) committed the most mistakes against God and the teachings of Moses and that is why he is mentioned so much- so we as Muslims can learn from their mistakes.
 
I was just thinking about the question this morning, and the more I thought about it, the more clear the answer is.
There has been strong movement especially in the USA called WWJD (What Would Jesus Do) to speculate about the actions of Jesus pbuh had he lived among us now.

If Jesus pbuh lived today, what would he be?

Let's see:
- He would believe in one God
- He would establish daily prayer and worships to God
- He would be circumcised
- He would not eat pork
- He would fast on certain days
- He would give alms/zakat
(these facts are from the Bible)

Based on the above characteristics, people would think he's a muslim, of course.

What do you think?

I'd like to add two more things to those:

- He will break the crosses
- He will kill the pigs
 
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