What Would Jesus (pbuh) Be?

[Ramadhan]

When he was with us, Jesus pbuh went to temple to pray and worship God solely.

Had he lived among us, Jesus pbuh would definitely refuse to go to a church, because if he went there, he would find that he would have to worship his own self instead.

Also, he would refuse to go to church because in church he would have to sing and dance, instead of worshipping God.

 

[mkh4JC]

Riiiggghhttt...... just a moment ago I swear I heard christians say that Jesus pbuh was god. And Jesus pbuh was certainly very much like a man.

The Bible says this:

'Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.' II Corinthians 5: 16.

As I said earlier, Jesus stepped out of eternity, entered into time, and added humanity to his divinity, but now he is seated at the right hand of God the Father.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

When he was with us, Jesus pbuh went to temple to pray and worship God solely.

Had he lived among us, Jesus pbuh would definitely refuse to go to a church, because if he went there, he would find that he would have to worship his own self instead.

Also, he would refuse to go to church because in church he would have to sing and dance, instead of worshipping God.

Jesus would never approve of images and idols which are worshipped in the church. Would he approve of those who worship him over the creator?

What about the mother? Why is she left out? Did she not give birth to God? Did she not suckle God when he was a baby? Did she not clean the excretion of faeces and urine from God when he was a baby? Did she not feed God in order for God to stay alive? Did she not raise God as child? Did she not teach God what he did not know? Then is she not worthy of worship for is she not the mother of God?

 

[Ramadhan]

Jesus would never approve of images and idols which are worshipped in the church. Would he approve of those who worship him over the creator?

It is indeed very perplexing that christians are not concerned at all that Jesus pbuh would definitely not want to go to church.

 

[Predator]

No one will be punished for the sins of Adam.

So why would Jesus be punished for the sins of the evil doers??? The evil doers didnt ask Jesus before committing a sin , how can God the father hold Jesus responsible.

It is indeed very perplexing that christians are not concerned at all that Jesus pbuh would definitely not want to go to church.

Yeah he might not want to go to a church because one of The first thing he will do after descending to the earth is destroying the cross

Sunan Abu Dawud Book 37, Number 4310:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (pbuh) said: There is no prophet between me and him, that is, Jesus (pbuh). He will descend (to the earth). When you see him, recognize him: a man of medium height, reddish fair, wearing two light yellow garments, looking as if drops were falling down from his head though it will not be wet. He will fight the people for the cause of Islam. He will break the cross, kill swine, and abolish jizya. Allah will perish all religions except Islam. He will destroy the Antichrist and will live on the earth for forty years and then he will die. The Muslims will pray over him.

 

[mkh4JC]

So why would Jesus be punished for the sins of the evil doers??? The evil doers didnt ask Jesus before committing a sin , how can God the father hold Jesus responsible.

Well, Jesus is quoted in the New Testament, in St. John, as saying that the scriptures cannot be broken, meaning that they are true forever. Blood sacrifice for the remission of sins is a concept that God introduced to not only the Jewish people, but to all humanity. So that cannot be broken, it is true. He also says this in St. John 15: 13.

'Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.'

It was in the plan of God to give his Son for the life of all those who come to him, as the Bible teaches that Christ was slain from the foundation of the world. Christianity is an exchange; you giving up your view or whatever you hold to be true for eternal truth. It also has to do with how offensive sin is to God, who is All Holy.

 

[Supreme]

Back on topic..

Had jesus pbuh lived among us today, he would refuse to eat meat dishes prepared by christians, because he would be concerned that the dish contained pork.

Shouldn't christians be concerned that a person they love and worship refuse to eat the dish they prepare?

Obviously, as a Jew, pork is forbidden for Jesus.

It is indeed very perplexing that christians are not concerned at all that Jesus pbuh would definitely not want to go to church.

I think you're more perplexed by the fact you expect Christians on here to agree with you on your speculations regarding what you think Jesus might not do. You're offering your opinion on someone who is no longer on Earth, and thus offering a redundant statement: why do expect us to take what you think Jesus might and might not do any more seriously than if you were to offer your opinion on the possible actions of Ceasar if he was alive in the 21st century? You're merely speculating, and like all speculation, do not expect others to take it seriously or agree with it.

 

[Grace Seeker]

What about the mother? Why is she left out? Did she not give birth to God? Did she not suckle God when he was a baby? Did she not clean the excretion of faeces and urine from God when he was a baby? Did she not feed God in order for God to stay alive? Did she not raise God as child? Did she not teach God what he did not know? Then is she not worthy of worship for is she not the mother of God?

In a word, No. She is not worthy of worship, for she is NOT God.

 

[Grace Seeker]

It is indeed very perplexing that christians are not concerned at all that Jesus pbuh would definitely not want to go to church.

I'm not concerned because I disagree with your supposition.

 

[Predator]

In a word, No. She is not worthy of worship, for she is NOT God

Yeah but the sects of the roman catholics worship her anyway

http://www.allaboutreligion.org/worship-of-mary-faq.htm

So now that makes it 4 gods , or should i say one
1+1+1+1 = 1

 

[Grace Seeker]

Yeah but the sects of the roman catholics worship her anyway

http://www.allaboutreligion.org/worship-of-mary-faq.htm

So now that makes it 4 gods , or should i say one
1+1+1+1 = 1

Catholics do teach that Mary is the Mother of God, and they are deovted to her as such. And though I don't agree even with the veneration of Mary done by Roman Catholics, I disagree with you and your source that it constitutes worship of Mary. The Catechism of the Catholic Church that I possess does NOT say the things that the website says that it says with regard to Mary. In the copy that I have the following is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church with regard to Mary:

It would be wrong to say that it is absolutely necessary to be devoted to Mary in order to be saved....

Devotion to Mary, of course, "differs essentially from the cult of adoration" (LG 66) which is given to God alone. Though Mary has sublime dignity as the Mother of God, she is a fellow creature.

 

[Ramadhan]

I am actually surprised that all christians here dismiss just like that without analyses the thought of what Jesus pbuh would be/do had he were among us now.
It seems to me that what jesus would do/teach/command has no relevance at all to christianity and there is complete disconnect between his examples with current practices of christianity.

i find it shocking that christians are okay with the notion that Jesus pbuh would refuse to enter church.

is there any church left in this world now which still practice exactly the same worships that Jesus pbuh did?

 

[Supreme]

Catholics do teach that Mary is the Mother of God, and they are deovted to her as such. And though I don't agree even with the veneration of Mary done by Roman Catholics, I disagree with you and your source that it constitutes worship of Mary. The Catechism of the Catholic Church that I possess does NOT say the things that the website says that it says with regard to Mary. In the copy that I have the following is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church with regard to Mary:

I have to agree with this. Although I'm not fully familar or entirely satisfied by Catholic customs and practices, even I know they don't worship Mary or the saints, although admittedly at time it does seem like it. I went into a Catholic service a few years back, they started praying to Mary. I actually couldn't believe my ears. I mean, respect your mother and all that, but do Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians think Jesus would be happy the way Mary is venerated as she is?

 

[Predator]

Yes, I call that love. I couldn't think of a more loving act. It is as Jesus defined love.

Jesus defined love, you cant be serious, can you . How can you believe that someone who makes statements like these be your so called so loving lord and a savior

HIS INVECTIVES AGAINST THE ELDERS OF HIS PEOPLE:

(a) "Ye hypocrites . . ." MATTHEW 23:13
"Ye wicked and adulterous generation . . ." MATTHEW 16:4
"Ye whited sepulchres . . ." MATTHEW 23:27
"Ye generation of vipers . . ." MATTHEW 23:33
(b) He calls his mother "WOMAN" JOHN 2:4, the same manner in
which he addresses a prostitute, ". . . WOMAN where are those
thine accusers?" JOHN 8:10

And Jesus your so called " PRINCE OF PEACE, " boasts that he had not come to bringpeace on earth but fire and division!

"I came to set the earth on fire, and how I wish that it were
ALREADY KINDLED.
"Do you supposed that I came to bring peace to the world?
No, not peace BUT DIVISION." LUKE 12:49 and 51
"Think not that I am come to send peace on
earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew, 10:34)

And also when he has come For The Jews Only and not for the entire world

"But he answered and said, I am not sent but
unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 15:24)

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, andcommanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew, 10:5-6)

According to Jesus ", The Gentiles" (Non-Jews) Are Dogs:

"It is not meet to take the
children's bread, and to cast it to dogs ." (matthew, 15:26)

Jesus wants his enemies killed , as they didnt want him to rule .Bring them here and cut their throats

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.' Luke 19:27

does he sound to you like he is someone who will forgive sins or die for other's, when he cant forgive his enemies who dont want him to rule and wants them killed instead

Do you call that love - killing people ?

 

[Grace Seeker]

Airforce, you are a hoot. Jesus didn't demand: "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me." He told a story in which one of the characters in that story said that. From your thinking that Jesus was walking around trying to prove to others that he didn't die on the cross to proposing that Jesus wants to kill his enemies, you illustrate that you simply do not understand even the most basic teachings of the scriptures. Now, I don't know, maybe you are not a native English speaker. I'll be glad to get the Bible to you in your mother tongue, if that would help you to understand it better.

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

In a word, No. She is not worthy of worship, for she is NOT God.

But why does she not deserve Godly status? Did she not gave birth to God? Did she not feed and clothe God? Did she not suckle God? Did she not wipe the faeces and clean the urine of God? Did she not raise God? Did she not teach God when he was a child what he did not know?

 

[glo]

Jesus defined love, you cant be serious, can you . How can you believe that someone who makes statements like these be your so called so loving lord and a savior

HIS INVECTIVES AGAINST THE ELDERS OF HIS PEOPLE:


And Jesus your so called " PRINCE OF PEACE, " boasts that he had not come to bringpeace on earth but fire and division!



And also when he has come For The Jews Only and not for the entire world




According to Jesus ", The Gentiles" (Non-Jews) Are Dogs:



Jesus wants his enemies killed , as they didnt want him to rule .Bring them here and cut their throats



does he sound to you like he is someone who will forgive sins or die for other's, when he cant forgive his enemies who dont want him to rule and wants them killed instead

Do you call that love - killing people ?

Airforce, it seems very unusual to hear a Muslim speak such disrespectful words about the revered Isa (pbuh).
I thought both Christians and Muslims loved and respected Jesus greatly!

Please refrain from discrediting the man you call your prophet and I call my Lord ...

 

[Ramadhan]

Jesus pbuh would be a lot more happy in Makkah than in Vatican.

Let's see:
1. In Makkah he could go to Masjidil Haraam to solely worship God every day all day and all night long, while in Vatican access to churches are not 24 hours for public, and on top of that, there are paintings and statues of all kind of people and idol and mythology all over the city and in churches and basilica, and paintings and statues of naked people. He would be too distressed that everytime he goes inside a church he would have to pray to the half naked statue of his own self nailed to a cross. If it were up to him, he would be demolishing all those pagan influences.
2. In Makkah he would not need worry about food as all food are halal, while in Vatican he would only be eating fruits as there is no halal shop. Remember that Jesus pbuh and all the apostles did not eat pork.
3. In Makkah all women are covered, just like his mother and all the chaste women from his time, while in Vatican especially in summer you can see many women parading around half naked.

I can think of many more reasons why Jesus pbuh would definitely choose to live in Makkah than in Vatican, but it could wait.
The point here is that isn't interesting that the person Christians call their god would prefer to live in Makkah than in Vatican.

 

[Predator]

Airforce, it seems very unusual to hear a Muslim speak such disrespectful words about the revered Isa (pbuh).Please refrain from discrediting the man you call your prophet

Its not me who is discrediting him, its your Bible .And Yes , we do respect Jesus as how we respect all prophets and we dont have such offensive or disrespectful things writtem about him in the Quran

And I call my Lord

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?(Matthew 7:21-22 )

In the name of Jesus , you are doing all these wonderful works You builts hospitals schools , orphanages,we built hospitals , you looked after the animals , you looked after Aborgines , Indians and we educated these fools and civilised them and cultured them ,

And what does Jesus say to that :

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7: 23

He tell you to get away . Depart from me , get away , you are evil to us .. He's not gonna tell the Muslims,Jews, Hindus,Athiest "get away ,depart from me ," he gonna tell you , the christians , who are claiming to be followers

Why would he do that to you , when you did all those things for Jesus ?

You know why ? Because you call him lord , he is not your lord and not your god . Thats the reason . You make him into a god, when he told you to worship the father in heaven . And He said come ,come , I' ll teach you how to pray and Like a little baby . like a little child , he puts the words in your mouth and tells you to pray like this

Matthew 6:9–13

Our Father, who art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come.
Thy will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
[For thine is the kingdom,
and the power, and the glory,
for ever and ever.]
Amen.

Where does he say "Father of Jesus " or " Jesus christ, My Lord in heaven " , Because this is how you pray and you are worshipping Jesus instead of worshipping the father , thats why he tells you get away.

 

[Danah]

So, whether you accept it or not is up to you, but from God's perspective, we've all already been forgiven he's just waiting for us to realize it and then live out a life reflective of that in the way we relate to him and one another.

Peace,

I was wondering what if the person died before he realized that he was already forgiven, what is his destiny then?