What Would Jesus (pbuh) Be?

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Oh wow, really? I can't believe some one would tell you they are allowed and or are not supposed to take it literally?

We are supposed to read the Bible for what it is....The Word Of God. Not to be taken lightly nor interpreted in our on way for our own edefication.

Yes it was when i used to take part in discussions in another forum called ummah forum. He said that Christians do not have to believe in all of the Bible.

When i read Supreme's statement on not being a fan of revelation it reminded me of what that person had said.

Statements like that are blasphemous in Islam because we believe in the Qur'an in its entirety.
 
This is what will happen when Jesus (p) returns insha'Allah:

Armageddon, World War III, Antichrist, and the second coming of Jesus (p) --- Islam Muhammad predict WW3 the future Islamic articles.Armageddon, World War III, Antichrist, and the second coming of Jesus

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The Bible describes in a vivid language the corruption, destruction, and death typifying the end of times. We see the godly forces confronting the evil of Satan, the Antichrist, and Gog and Magog. We learn that the cataclysmic events will take place in the Middle East. But still the picture needs to be completed. Unanswered questions need to be answered. Who are Gog and Magog? Where will Jesus return? Where in the Middle East will Jesus confront the evil military forces? What nation(s) will supply the forces? Where will the 'Antichrist be slain?


The Holy Prophet Muhammad(p) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the day of judgment. Among these, Muhammad(p) has foretold the return of Jesus(p), which will materialize when a one eyed claimant to divinity (Antichrist) will attempt to misguide the humanity into worshipping him. Messiah will descend from the heavens in Damascus, pray behind Imam Mahdi, pursue and kill the Antichrist, destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the world. Christians will recognize the truth and accept him only as a Messenger of God; the religion of God (Islam) will justly rule the world.
There will be no oppression and no need to fight oppressors (war will be abolished) and no need to collect Jizyah (since there will be no non-Muslim people of the Book to collect this tax from). Every human being will be well-off and no one will accept charity. Messiah will perform Hajj (pilgrimage), marry, remain married for 19 years, beget children, and die after living on earth for 40 years. His death will signal the beginning of the last days
Verses from the Holy Quran relating to the Second Advent of Jesus Son of Mary (pbuh):


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    [*]And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] But must believe in him [/FONT](i.e. Jesus as an messenger of God and as a human being)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness against them. [/FONT](The Holy Quran, An-Nisa, 4:159)
    [*]And (Jesus) shall be a Sign (for the coming of) the Hour (of Judgment): therefore have no doubt about the (Hour), but follow ye Me: this is a Straight Way. (Quran, Az-Zukhuruf, 43:61)
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Hadeeths Relating to the Second Advent of Jesus Son of Mary (pbuh):


  1. "I swear by Him in Whose hand is my soul: the son of Mary shall descend among you as a just ruler. Then he will break the Cross, and kill the swine and put an end to war(in another Tradition, there is the word Jizyah (tax) instead of war, meaning that he will abolish of jizyah);Athen there will be such abundance of wealth that nobody will like to accept it, and (conditions will be such that) performing of one sajdah (prostration) before Allah will be considered better than the world and what it contains." (Bukhari and Muslim).
  2. "Jesus son of Mary shall descend; then he will kill the swine and destroy the Cross; and a congregation will be held for him for the Prayer; and he will distribute so much wealth that people will be satiated with it; and he will abolish the tribute; and he will encamp at Rauha', B and from there will go to perform Hajj or 'Umrah, or both." (Muslim).
    [*]The Holy Prophet (after making mention of the appearance of the Dajjal) said: "In the meantime, When the Muslims will be making preparations to fight him, will be lining up (for the Prayer) and the lqamah will have been pronounced, Jesus son of Mary shall descend and lead them in the Prayer; and the enemy of Allah (Dajjal i.e. the Antichrist) on seeing him shall start dissolving like salt in water. If Jesus were to leave him alone, he would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him killed at his hand, and he will show his blood on his spear to the Muslims." (Muslim).
    [*]"There is no prophet between me and him (i.e. Jesus Christ), and he shall descend. So, recognize him when you see him. He is a man of medium height, of ruddy and fair complexion; he will be dressed in two yellow garments; the hair of his head will appear as though water was going to trickle down from it, whereas it will not be wet. He will fight people in the cause of Islam, will break the Cross and kill the swine and will abolish jizyah; and Allah will put an end to all communities in his time except Islam; and he will slay the Antichrist (Dajjal); and he will stay in the world for 40 years; then will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral Prayer for him." (Abu Da'ud and Ahmad).
    [*]"... then Jesus son of Mary will descend. The leader of the Muslims will say to him, 'Come, lead us in the Prayer', but he will say, 'No: you yourselves are leaders over one another." C This he will say in view of the honour that Allah has bestowed on this Community." (Muslim and Ahmad).
    [*]The Holy Prophet (while relating the story of the Dajjal) said: "At that time suddenly Jesus son of Mary (on whom be peace) shall appear among the Muslims. Then the people will stand up for the Prayer, and he will be asked, 'Step forward, 0h Spirit of Allah (and lead us in the Prayer); but he will say, 'No: your own leader should step forward and lead the Prayer.' Then, after offering the Morning Prayer, the Muslims shall go forth to fight the Dajjal.' He said, 'When the liar will see Jesus, he will start dissolving like the salt in water. Then Jesus will advance towards him and will slay him; and it will so happen that the trees and the stones will cry out: '0h Spirit of Allah, here is a Jew hiding behind me.' None will be left from among the followers of the Dajjal, whom he (i.e. Jesus) will not kill." (Ahmad).
    [*]"In the mean time when the Dajjal will be busy doing this and this, Allah will send down Messiah son of Mary, and he will descend in the eastern part of Damascus, near the white minaret (tower), dressed in the two yellow garments, with his hands resting on the arms of two angels. When he will bend down his head, water drops will appear trickling down, and when he will raise it, it will appear as though pearl--like drops are rolling down. Any disbeliever whom the air of his breath reaches--and it will reach up to the last limit of his sight will fall dead. Then the son of Mary will go in pursuit of the Dajjal, and will overtake him at the gate of Lod, D and will kill him." (Muslim, Abu Da'ud: Kitab, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah).
    [*]"The Daijal will appear in my Ummah (nation), and will live for forty (I do not know whether he said 40 days, or 40 months or 40 years). Then Allah will send Jesus son of Mary. He will closely resemble 'Urwah Bin Mas'ud (a Companion). He will pursue him and kill him. Then for seven years the people will live in such a state that no ill-will and enmity will exist between any two of them." (Muslim).
    [*]Then in the morning Jesus son of Mary will join the Muslims, and Allah will cause the Dajjal and his hosts to be routed, until the walls and the roots of the trees will call 'out: "0h believer, here is a disbeliever hidden behind me: come and kill him." (Ahmad, Hakem).
  3. Then Jesus (on whom be peace) will descend, and Allah will cause the Dajjal to be killed near the mountain pass of Afiq. E (Ahmad).
  4. Exactly at the time when the Imam of the Muslims will have stepped forward to lead them in the Morning Prayer, Jesus son of Mary shall descend upon them. The Imam will step back so that Jesus may step forward (to lead the Prayer), but Jesus, placing his hand between his two shoulders, will say, "No, you should lead, for the congregation has assembled to follow you. So, the Imam will lead the Prayer. After the salutation, Jesus will say, "Open the gate;" so the gate will be opened. Outside there will be the Dajjal along with 70,000 of the armed Jews. As soon as he will look at Jesus (upon whom be peace) he will start melting like the salt in water, and will flee. Jesus will say, "I shall strike you a blow which will not let you live." And he will overtake him at the eastern gate of Lod, and Allah will cause the Jews to be defeated.... And the earth will be so filled with the Muslims as a vessel is filled with water. The entire world shall recite and follow one and the same Kalimah (word) and none shall be worshipped except Allah." (Ibn Majah).
  5. The Dajjal would be followed by seventy thousand Jews of Isfahan (in Iran) wearing Persian shawls.
  6. How will you be when the Son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you and he will judge people by the law of the Quran and not by the law of Gospel. (Bukhari)
  7. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, Ibn Maryam (Jesus Christ) would certainly pronounce Talbiyah for Hajj or for Umrah or for both (simultaneously as a Qarin) in the valley of Rawha.(Muslim)
  8. Narrated Umm Sharik: I heard Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: The people would run away from the Dajjal seeking shelter in the mountains. She said: Where would be the Arabs then on the day? He said: They would be small in number.
    [*]The Last Hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

The following ahadith al[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]so explain the Middle East crisis. Abu Huraira reported Allah's messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: [/FONT]

  1. [*][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The last hour would not come before the Euphrates
    [FONT=Arial,Helvetica](river) [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]uncovers a mountain of gold for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of each one hundred would die but every man amongst them would say that perhaps he would be the one who would be saved (and thus possess the gold)[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]. (Muslim)[/FONT]
    [*][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq.[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]An army consisting of the best [/FONT](soldiers)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]of the people of the earth [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica](An international army?) [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]at that time will come from Medina [/FONT](to oppose them)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica].
    When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans
    [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica](i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans)[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]would say: Do not stand between us and those [/FONT](Muslims)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them.
    They will then fight and a third
    [/FONT](part)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third [/FONT](part of the army)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica], which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople [/FONT](the capital of the Romans --- can be any city)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica].
    As they would be busy in distributing the spoils of war
    [/FONT](amongst themselves)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]after hanging their swords by the olive trees, the Satan would cry: The Dajjal has taken your place among your family. They would then come out, but it would be of no avail. And when they would come to Al-Sham [/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Damascus or Syria)[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica], he would come out while they would be still preparing themselves for battle drawing up the ranks.
    Certainly, the time of prayer shall come and then Jesus
    [/FONT](peace be upon him)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] son of Mary would descend and would lead them in prayer. When the enemy of Allah would see him, it would [/FONT](disappear)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] just as the salt dissolves itself in water and if he [/FONT](Jesus)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica] were not to confront them at all, even then it would dissolve completely, but Allah would kill them by his hand and he would show them their blood on his lance [/FONT](the lance of Jesus Christ)[FONT=Arial,Helvetica].[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica](Muslim)[/FONT]
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Downfall of the Zionists and Israel

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While the Zionists (Christian and Jewish) never get tired of quoting the Covenant of God with Abraham mentioned in the Bible, in their attempts to legitimize occupation of Palestine by forcing millions of Palestinians out of their homes, they somehow "forgot" to mention the fact that the children of Ishmael also become beneficiary to this Covenant according to the same Bible they claim to believe in. (Genesis 21)
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]As Dr. Mary Weaver, Professor of Religious Studies at Indiana University writes, "Abraham did have a son (two in fact), though the first, Ishmael, drops out of the story."[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Although Ishmael and his descendents were also included, but-this was qualified for both sons of Israel and sons of Ishmael with obedience![/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Since the Jews fail to accept Jesus (peace be upon him) as the true Messiah, which both Christians and Muslims know to be the truth, the Antichrist will arise as their "Messiah". The shrewd false Messiah will take advantage of the insidious Zionist military expansionist fervor ultimately leading to the downfall of the Zionists.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Already Muslims have been mercilessly expelled from Palestine while Zionists in their bloodthirsty lust for land and power are not' satisfied with Palestine. In their arrogance they openly admit that they want all of Syria, all of Lebanon, all of Jordan in addition to Iraq, Iskenderun from Turkey, the Sinai, and the Delta area from Egypt and the upper Hejaz and Najd from Saudi Arabia. Yes, they even want the holy city of Medinah.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]According to the Hadith No.11 it is very clear that the Antichrist will enter Syria followed by 70,000 armed Zionists to position himself in Damascus. One morning, Jesus (pbuh) will descend in the eastern part of Damascus near a white minaret to begin the holy campaign against the false messiah. The Antichrist will flee towards Israel through the Afiq Pass, but Jesus (pbuh) will overtake him and destroy him at the airfield in Lod just 13 miles south east of Tel-Aviv. The Israelites will be destroyed putting an end to their treacherous community; whereas with the destruction of the Cross, all the religious communities will merge into the single community of Islam.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Notice that according to a hadith, one of the signs before the Resurrection will be Gog and Magog. Remember also that the Bible associates Gog with Meshech (Moscow) and Tubal (Tubalsek), which will come from the north invading Israel amid earthquakes, fire, and brimstone. According to Maududi, Gog and Magog will be let loose in the sense that they will swoop down on the regions of the earth like a beast of prey which is set free from its cage suddenly. (See Qur'an Al-Anbiyaa 94-l03.) The Qur'an also mentions Gog and Magog in relation to the Day of Resurrection.[/FONT]
They said: "0 Zul-qarnaini. The Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth: Shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them? He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (And labour): I will. erect a strong barrier between you and them: "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, he said, "Blow (with your bellows" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead." Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it. He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true." On that day We shall leave them (Gog and Magog-Yajooj and Majooj) to surge like waves on one another: The trumpet will be blown and We shall collect them all together. And We shall present Hell that day for Unbelievers to see, all spread out,-(Unbelievers) whose eyes had been under a veil from remembrance of Me, and who had been unable even to hear?.
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[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Note: Gog and Magog are generally believed to be the wild tribes of Central and Northeastern Asia including the Tartars, Mongols, Huns, and Scythians. This is[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]False![FONT=Arial,Helvetica] This belief contradicts with many Hadeeths. [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica]Gog and Magog (Ya'juj & Ma'juj) are hidden peolple from us. [/FONT]
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A In other words it means: "All kinds of differences among the communities will disappear and human beings will join one community, the Community of Islam; thus, war will be put to an end to, and jizyah will cease to be imposed."
B A place at a distance of 35 miles from Madinah.
C 'That is, "Your leader should be from among yourselves."
D Lod (Lydda) is situated 13 miles south-east of Tel-Aviv, Capital of Israel, and is the most important airport of the country.
E Afiq (mod. Fiq) is the last Syrian city on the border between Syria and Israel. A little further on towards west at a few miles is the Lake Tiberias (Sea of Galilea), the source of River Jordan. Towards the south-west in the mountains is a low pass, which descends about 2,000 feet to the point from where River Jordan comes out from Lake Tiberias. This same mountain path is called 'Aqabah Afiq the pass of Afiq'.



http://islamicweb.com/history/ww3.htm

wow, thanks for that post! I was just asking myself what Islams veiw of this matter would be, ....and hoping you would be the one posting....weird.

Your posts are in-depth and a great learning tool for me:D

God be with you.
 
wow, thanks for that post! I was just asking myself what Islams veiw of this matter would be, ....and hoping you would be the one posting....weird.

Your posts are in-depth and a great learning tool for me:D

God be with you.

I can't take credit for it though I agree fully-- but thanks..

peace
 
Yes it was when i used to take part in discussions in another forum called ummah forum. He said that Christians do not have to believe in all of the Bible.

When i read Supreme's statement on not being a fan of revelation it reminded me of what that person had said.

Statements like that are blasphemous in Islam because we believe in the Qur'an in its entirety.

You do have to and are supposed to believe in Revelation if you are a Christian, though because of the content of the book some professing Christians take the position that the events have already happened, that they are metaphorical, and yet still others believe they are predicting future events.
 
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Is'nt that blasphemous to make such a remark about a book which is supposed to be 'divine' in your religion?

No.

First the book of Revelation is not divine. God is divine, books are not. Books are at best the revelation of the divine.


Second, blasphemy is related to how we treat and respond to God himself. While of course it is wrong to be contemptuous toward any of the things of God or created by God (this would included people, btw), it is not necessarily blasphemous to do so.
 
No.

First the book of Revelation is not divine. God is divine, books are not. Books are at best the revelation of the divine.


Second, blasphemy is related to how we treat and respond to God himself. While of course it is wrong to be contemptuous toward any of the things of God or created by God (this would included people, btw), it is not necessarily blasphemous to do so.

So what part of the Bible are Gods words?
 
So what part of the Bible are Gods words?
None of it. (Note: There will be Christians who disagree with me with regard to this statement.) The Bible is not a book dictated by God, but a book written by men who were inspired to write of God as they best understood his revelation. (Well, I shouldn't have said none of it, there a places where the prophets report that they are saying what God told them to say. In those cases the words of the prophets and God's words would have been the same.)

And all of it. All of it has it's source in God's revelation to mankind. But it isn't a book like the Qur'an which claims to be the dictated work of God. If that is what you are looking for, then you're going to be disappointed with the Bible. But it still is a God's instrument for guiding people into relationship with him and able to direct us in the practice of our faith and life.

For instance, when it says, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth..." that isn't God speaking, that is the voice of Moses (or another ancient Jewish author) who expresses his understanding of the origins of the earth as he best understands it based on his knowledge of God as experienced in his own life. Tradition holds that such verses are the product of Moses' hand (or at least his oversight in compilation), then though they may not be the dictated words of God, they still bear the full force of the weight of God who revealed himself to Moses.

Other passages such as the stories of Samuel, Saul, or David in the historical books of Samuel, Kings and Chronicles likewise have similar marks of being the work of inspired men who were nonetheless very human writers. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are not meant to even be received as biographies, but have the unique category of "Gospel" a term taken from the opening of Mark's book: "The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God" (Mark 1:1) meaning a story of the good news, as it says, about Jesus Christ, not a record of the life of Jesus or even of his teachings. So, these aren't God's words to us, but man's words about God and what God has done, is doing, and will continue to do, plus some guidance for holy living found in the letters perserved by the church and later adopted as scripture.

Of course, the Hadith of the Prophet (p) is hardly the words of God either (nor does it claim to be), but that doesn't keep Muslims from viewing it as authoritative with regard to their faith and practice. So, why should Muslims be surprised that we can view a book of our scriptures as authoritative for faith and practice even if it isn't the dictated work of God to humankind.
 
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None of it. The Bible is not a book dictated by God, but a book written by men who were inspired to write of God as they best understood his revelation. (Well, I shouldn't have said none of it, there a places where the prophets report that they are saying what God told them to say. In those cases the words of the prophets and God's words would have been the same.)


And all of it. All of it has it's source in God's revelation to mankind. But it isn't a book like the Qur'an which claims to be the dictated work of God. If that is what you are looking for, then you're going to be disappointed with the Bible. But it still is a God's instrument for guiding people into relationship with him and able to direct us in the practice of our faith and life.

The stories of the Prophets as i understand are in the old testament But in regards to the new testament and Gospels then who gave those radnom men the right to write the teachings of God and Jesus when they never met Jesus and were'nt prophets or divinley inspired in anyway?

Also why are the authors of the Gospels unknown by Christian scholars? They also do not know the exact dates of when the Gospels were written. Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.
 
The stories of the Prophets as i understand are in the old testament But in regards to the new testament and Gospels then who gave those radnom men the right to write the teachings of God and Jesus when they never met Jesus and were'nt prophets or divinley inspired in anyway?
Who says they are writing the teachings of God? You said that. I was editting my previous response while you posted it. You'll note I have a wholly different take on what the New Testament is even intended to be than you presuppose for it.

The Gospel writers didn't need some one to give them permission to write what they wrote. They wrote to inform the church as best they could using the information that was available to them. Some of them (at the very least John), I believe, were indeed disciples of Jesus and could provide first-hand testimony to much of what they wrote. All of the others were written in the first generation of the church and had available to them the oral tradition of the church. I also suspect that there were collected stories and sayings of Jesus in circulation that Matthew, Mark, and Luke all appeared to have used to some extent. Mark appears to have been from Jerusalem and probably had some first-hand exposure to a few of these events, and according to tradition was a disciple of Peter. Luke made every effort to be a historian in collecting his information before writing. And Matthew may or may not have been a disciple; I don't know. And as for them being divinely inspired, though I can't prove it, as a point of faith I would argue that they indeed were.


Also why are the authors of the Gospels unknown by Christian scholars? They also do not know the exact dates of when the Gospels were written. Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.

No, we don't know the exact dates when they were written, but we don't know the exact dates of the writing of even major modern documents like the Declaration of Independence. What we do know is that all of them were completed by the end of the first century, for they are already being quoted by the church fathers in the early second century. As to their authorship, some academics make names for themselves by publishing their doubts. Tradition has long held to the names of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John with these identities established during the lifetime of people who would have known their actual authors. Either they are correct, the early church didn't care about authorship (highly unlikely as they rejected several alternate gospels simply on the lack of the credibility of claims with regard to authorship), or these early Christians were complicit in fabricating a falsehood that they then passed off onto the rest of the church (an accusation that defies creduality to me).
 
Back to topic, one of the reasons for Jesus to avoid churches, apart from the obvious man worshipping that is going on in there, is that more and more churches especially in western countries now allow homosexual marriages.
Jesus would be horrified.
 
Jesus pbuh would also sacrifice animals to feed the poor in fulfillment of Allah command, just like muslims sacrifice animals during iedul adha and during hajj.
 
One of the reasons that Jesus pbuh would avoid going to churches is that churches are now used to enrich the institutions themselves, or the priests or the evangelists.
Remember the story how Jesus pbuh overturned the tables of moneychangers and other traders and kicked them out of the temple?

Jesus pbuh would most likely go to a mosque to pray and worship God.
 
One of the reasons that Jesus pbuh would avoid going to churches is that churches are now used to enrich the institutions themselves, or the priests or the evangelists.
Remember the story how Jesus pbuh overturned the tables of moneychangers and other traders and kicked them out of the temple?

Jesus pbuh would most likely go to a mosque to pray and worship God.

Brother all these things are obvious as he will be following the religion of islam as a muslim, I don't think theres any point discussing it any more

sis skye has posted an article with probably all the hadith and verses available on prophet Isa when he descends.

He will live the rest of his life on earth so it would be obvious that he will be praying at a masjid
 
Brother all these things are obvious as he will be following the religion of islam as a muslim, I don't think theres any point discussing it any more

sis skye has posted an article with probably all the hadith and verses available on prophet Isa when he descends.

He will live the rest of his life on earth so it would be obvious that he will be praying at a masjid

You are right, these things are obvious to MUSLIMS who can see clearly his true teachings and reconciled his true teachings with what Allah SWT tells us in the Qur'an.

However, these things might not be so obvious to our christians (or any other faith) friends, thats why I am putting it in the comparative religion section.

It seems to me that christians in general had serious difficulty to understand what Jesus pbuh did or taught during his time on earth.
It also seems to me that once Jesus was no longer with us, it was "Hallelujah!" for christians and replaced everything that Jesus taught with their own interpretations and rituals. So this thread is to remind our christian friends what jesus pbuh would do if he lived among us now, based on his real life and his daily practices.
 
he will have a nice long beard and a trimmed mustache. he might be a big fan of some nasheeds!
 
Back to topic, one of the reasons for Jesus to avoid churches, apart from the obvious man worshipping that is going on in there, is that more and more churches especially in western countries now allow homosexual marriages.
Jesus would be horrified.

Wait, Jesus who loved sinners, who sat with them, who said He had come to seek and save the lost, who forgave others sins? The only thing that ever shocked Jesus was when He found stalls and markets within the Holy Temple. Jesus would not hate or be horrified by anyone, He would be full of compassion and love, He would embrace homosexuals into His arms and invite them to their share of the Kingdom of God/heaven.
 
Oh wow, really? I can't believe some one would tell you they are allowed and or are not supposed to take it literally?

We are supposed to read the Bible for what it is....The Word Of God. Not to be taken lightly nor interpreted in our on way for our own edefication.


Me too heard by an ex-Christian priest that some Christians believe or said that NT cancel the OT which made me wonder too!!
 
Me too heard by an ex-Christian priest that some Christians believe or said that NT cancel the OT which made me wonder too!!

No, you can't just believe in the New Testament and discount the Old Testament. You can't understand the New Testament without the Old. You wouldn't understand, for instance, the importance of blood sacrifice for the remission of sins, if you just read the New. Also, there are many prophecies concering the Jewish people, and how God would bring them back into the land of Israel (which he did and is doing) and concerning the time of the end, that have yet to be fulfilled, in the Old Testament. So as a Christian, yes you are supposed to take both the Old and New Testaments and stand on them as truth.
 
Wait, Jesus who loved sinners, who sat with them, who said He had come to seek and save the lost, who forgave others sins? The only thing that ever shocked Jesus was when He found stalls and markets within the Holy Temple. Jesus would not hate or be horrified by anyone, He would be full of compassion and love, He would embrace homosexuals into His arms and invite them to their share of the Kingdom of God/heaven.

lol! thats the funniest thing ive read all day. are all you christians really living in this bubble of, do what you want cos were forgiven anyway ?
 

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