War against Hijab and Jilbab, now in Canada!

[Italianguy]

Enough with the angry emoticons lol. Calm down dude, you'll blow a gasket.



No, this is exactly the problem. Nothing should be recognized and allowed just because it has religious ties. No special rules or allowances because somebody has some religious view or another. That goes for everyone.

I have no issue with your rosary beads, as there's nothing stopping me from wearing friendship beads or any other kind of beads. Its a whole different category than face coverings or ceremonial daggers, etc.



This exposes you completely. Indeed why should my opinion matter? Or that of anybody else who is being denied special rights due to not belonging to a particular religion? Perhaps because I am Canadian and actually have lived in Quebec and have family there and have voted there?



Defend her how exactly? If she's asking for special rights and pointing to her religion she hasn't any ground to stand on. Quebec isn't a theocratic province, but a secular one. If you want theocracy go elsewhere.

Sorry dudeimsad, I didn't mean to insult you or anything. i apollogise for getting fired up, thats usually not my nature. I have just had allot going on latelyimsad

God be with you friend.

 

[جوري]

everybody's tax dollar goes into something they dislike.. why should my tax dollar fund illegal wars and occupations, or free hospitalization to drunks, or to pay for ridiculous law suits against the city because some fat social climbing turd decided that if he tripped on the street it means the city is responsible to pay him millions of dollars, why should my money go to fund methodone clinics for heroine addicts or new Humvees for dumb high school dropouts so they can practice some lewd sado-masochistic sex in foreign prisons..

If you don't like a room for prayers.. then tough.. Muslims pay taxes as you do for alot less reasonable causes!

can't have it both ways!

 

[Souljette]

Assalamualikum,
this is what is happening now ... what to do.. it happens everywhere..personal attack or public

 

[Pygoscelis]

everybody's tax dollar goes into something they dislike.. why should my tax dollar fund illegal wars and occupations, or free hospitalization to drunks, or to pay for ridiculous law suits against the city because some fat social climbing turd decided that if he tripped on the street it means the city is responsible to pay him millions of dollars, why should my money go to fund methodone clinics for heroine addicts or new Humvees for dumb high school dropouts so they can practice some lewd sado-masochistic sex in foreign prisons..

If you don't like a room for prayers.. then tough.. Muslims pay taxes as you do for alot less reasonable causes!

can't have it both ways!

Separation of church and state is something we backwards secular countries find important. I realize you enlightened folk would prefer your theocratic mandates, but I'm afraid Quebec just isn't the place for that.

 

[Pygoscelis]

One thing I'd like to point out is that cases such as this are not cases of discrimination against the group but failures to discriminate in favour of the group. Its an important distinction to keep in mind when people try to play the victim card.

 

[جوري]

Separation of church and state is something we backwards secular countries find important. I realize you enlightened folk would prefer your theocratic mandates, but I'm afraid Quebec just isn't the place for that.

Freedom of religion doesn't equate to freedom from religion, I realize you don't understand what it is that you actually preach given you have no baseline to stand on-- but your opinion as is your tax dollar is negligible atheists and their manifestos compose a small percentage of the population, frankly your tax dollars combined isn't enough to get public toilets clean ..

all the best

 

[Skavau]

Freedom of religion doesn't equate to freedom from religion, I realize you don't understand what it is that you actually preach given you have no baseline to stand on-- but your opinion as is your tax dollar is negligible atheists and their manifestos compose a small percentage of the population, frankly your tax dollars combined isn't enough to get public toilets clean ..

all the best

Well if we're going by population size, Muslims form a smaller minority than the secular groupings in Canada.

Just sayin'.

 

[جوري]

Well if we're going by population size, Muslims form a smaller minority than the secular groupings in Canada.

Just sayin'.

Theists combined make a far larger group than secularists, now-- no one is imposing a 'prayer on you' in a public setting, however most theists would like their spiritual needs met, and I can't imagine that being bothersome especially if in a private setting!

all the best

 

[Skavau]

Theists combined make a far larger group than secularists, now-- no one is imposing a 'prayer on you' in a public setting, however most theists would like their spiritual needs met, and I can't imagine that being bothersome especially if in a private setting!

all the best

You have no idea what most theists want. Most theists, specifically and generally Christians (in the western world) are also Secularists and believe in the importance of the seperation of religion and state.

And there is, and I have no problem with anyone having their needs in any sense being met in private. There is no issue in this thread regarding what people desire to do in their private life.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Freedom of religion doesn't equate to freedom from religion,

Actually it does. You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from the other guy's religion. Thats a big part of why church/state separation is so important in multicultural societies like Canada.

The very reason Islam is tolerated at all in Quebec is because secularists fought for freedom from the religion of the catholic church.

 

[جوري]

You have no idea what most theists want. Most theists, specifically and generally Christians (in the western world) are also Secularists and believe in the importance of the seperation of religion and state.

And there is, and I have no problem with anyone having their needs in any sense being met in private. There is no issue in this thread regarding what people desire to do in their private life.

If I am not qualified to speak on behalf of theists, I imagine you'd be even less so.. further if you have no issue regarding what people desire in their lives why do you partake in this dialogue? This is clearly addressing the fellow who thinks his tax money shouldn't allow a room for noon prayer.

Actually it does. You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from the other guy's religion. Thats a big part of why church/state separation is so important in multicultural societies like Canada.

No, it doesn't.. freedom of doesn't equal freedom from, I am not interested in your definitions..

I'd go fix your Olympic shame first so that guests in my country aren't dying on the luge before I extend myself to religion and philosophy..
take small steps and we'll be able to make sense of where you are going with this!

all the best

 

[Skavau]

If I am not qualified to speak on behalf of theists, I imagine you'd be even less so.. further if you have no issue regarding what people desire in their lives why do you partake in this dialogue? This is clearly addressing the fellow who thinks his tax money shouldn't allow a room for noon prayer.

My post here explains my perspective on this whole issue.

After you made your cheap point about atheists being a minority, you then made the assumption that every theist must by consequence be a theocrat, or an anti-secularist and therefore must oppose what Quebec and other nations, states alike have done. Neglecting of course to add that most theocracies historically have generally had little consideration for the 'spiritual needs' of polytheists, or decreed heretics.

 

[Pygoscelis]

I say again, the very reason Islam is tolerated at all in Quebec is because secularists fought for freedom from the religion of the catholic church. Without freedom from religion, this girl would not only be denied special rights, she may not even be allowed to enter the school to begin with.

 

[جوري]

My post here explains my perspective on this whole issue.

After you made your cheap point about atheists being a minority, you then made the assumption that every theist must by consequence be a theocrat, or an anti-secularist and therefore must oppose what Quebec and other nations, states alike have done. Neglecting of course to add that most theocracies historically have generally had little consideration for the 'spiritual needs' of polytheists, or decreed heretics.

little consideration for 'spiritual needs' is still negligible in the face of the death of millions at the hands of atheists.. It is never a difficult choice to make if we are solely to choose between two evils!

Back when Christian theocracies ruled, this muslim girl would not only be denied special rights at the exam, she'd be forbidden to enter the school. If the theocracy was strict enough she may even be put to the torch along with us atheists. So no freedom from religion eh?

This Muslim girl would have been well taught no matter where, as she would only travel where enlightenment reigns not oppression! ..

A sensible head on ones shoulder is all that one really needs to get themselves out of difficult situations instead of complaining about how other folks dress and its lack of sexual aesthetics ..

all the best

 

[Skavau]

little consideration for 'spiritual needs' is still negligible in the face of the death of millions at the hands of atheists.. It is never a difficult choice to make if we are solely to choose between two evils!

Tu Quoque.

We're not talking about now, are we? And there is not a false dichtonomy between Stalinism and Theocracy, is there? Focus.

 

[Pygoscelis]

A sensible head on ones shoulder is all that one really needs to get themselves out of difficult situations instead of complaining about how other folks dress and its lack of sexual aesthetics ..

So you won't oppose nude beaches or same sex marriage? Good for you!

I'm sure you'll be happy to learn that a few years back Ontario courts struck down the law banning women from going topless in public. Freedom for all. Muslims can cover head to toe. The lady in Guelph can mow her lawn topless. Freedom for all!

 

[جوري]

Tu Quoque.

We're not talking about now, are we? And there is not a false dichtonomy between Stalinism and Theocracy, is there? Focus.

Not a false dichotomy at all, and I don't think you know how to use a logical fallacy to your advantage. Firstly since not every atheist who ran the show and committed heinous crimes was a commie or a Stalinist and secondly, I don't see a point at all if ones position is always to choose between two evils.. Don't describe to me the glories of liberalism and democracy if you are equally bigoted and oppressive as the that which you fight against!


all the best

 

[جوري]

So you won't oppose nude beaches or same sex marriage? Good for you!

why oppose something that gives us all a hearty guffaw?

 

[Pygoscelis]

why oppose something that gives us all a hearty guffaw?

Its great that we finally agreeing. And since you enjoy laughing at homosexuals and nudists, I take it you also have no issue with us laughing at muslims and drawing cartoons? This could be a breakthrough right here.

 

[جوري]

Its great that we finally agreeing. And since you enjoy laughing at homosexuals and nudists, I take it you also have no issue with us laughing at muslims and drawing cartoons? This could be a breakthrough right here.

I agree with you on nothing, seeing that you are unfamiliar with sarcasm as you are basic principles of similitude and logic..

further, I am not sure what is stopping you from laughing at Muslims or enjoying inflammatory cartoons? I think you are entire purpose here is to impose on the rest of us how lowliness and lack of social and moral restraints is the atheist norm.. We acknowledge that it takes more to behave like a civilized human being than to cave in to lowly animal desires!
Evolution will eventually set in for atheists too and you are sure to catch up to the rest of humanity.. until then..

all the best