Non-Muslims to be allowed to live in part of Medina

[Darth Ultor]

You do realize you're talking about Saudi Arabia here.That kind of conduct is prohibited by the laws of the state. If they violate the law, they answer to it.

 

[aadil77]

Do those of you who are against this really think non-Muslims and Westerners will just sully the place by being there? I'd understand if they would be allowed in the Mosque of the Prophet, which is very sacred to Muslims, but what is the problem with a few city streets? It's not like they'll go around promoting other faiths or walk around with shorts and revealing clothes.

Yes, you see when muslims visit those holy lands we don't go there for the sake of a fun holiday, its part of our pilgrimage so we don't want to be out of focus from Allah for even the slightest period, if I saw a non-muslim or muslim in those lands not dressing completely islamically i'd be pretty ticked off, mainly cause it would spread evil among the holy land and distract pilgrims. Basically any unislamic conduct in those areas would be extremely offensive to muslims.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The filthy kaafirs should be kept out of the city at all cost

who can blame them? europe is doing so much to ban everything to do with Islam, is starting to become very hostile to it's Muslim immigrants, nationalistic groups are on the rise, and with ALL OF THIS, many of the people from these countries are going to be allowed to enter Islam's second holiest city???? so can you blame them for being angry and distrusting? i sure can.

I understand your point and can actually agree with keeping non-muslims out of holy shrines and areas. But the above runs in both directions. When your fellow muslims refer to Kafir as "filth" can you not see the cycle being spun around once more? The bans on everything to do with Islam (as you put it) is in a large part based on the negative image created for Islam following 9/11 and other events. However unfair, the image is there and refering to kafirs as "filth" does no good for this PR problem.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Lool no way will the non-muslims enter or even live in Madina! and why do they want to come there anyways? just to spoil Islam nothing else, them and their evil plans!

I can't tell if this one is serious or parody lol. Us kafir and our evil plans. We'll eat your babies and steal your candy. Bwahahaha *waggles eyebrows and twirls mustache mischievously*

Seriously though, I have to agree that there is zero reason for a non-muslim to go there. I think its more about the idea (of banning people) than the reality. True, I'll never go there, but still nobody likes to hear they are banned from somewhere just for being who they are.

I wonder, does the Vatican allow non-christians in?

 

[Darth Ultor]

If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of the Force.

 

[Life_Is_Short]

If only you knew the power of the Dark Side of the Force.

We know the power of Allah (swt) and that's sufficient.

 

[Darth Ultor]

Please tell me you know what the joke is a reference to. Anyway, yes, it really is more the idea that non-Muslims are banned. I personally think tourists will behave properly. Yes, even in the Mosque of the Prophet and if the ban is ever lifted, in Masjid al-Haram in Makkah. Contrary to popular belief, non-Muslims are not a bunch if unruly drunk savages who don't respect Islam and would have the audacity to commit acts in violation of Islam in its most sacred places.

 

[aadil77]

Please tell me you know what the joke is a reference to. Anyway, yes, it really is more the idea that non-Muslims are banned. I personally think tourists will behave properly. Yes, even in the Mosque of the Prophet and if the ban is ever lifted, in Masjid al-Haram in Makkah. Contrary to popular belief, non-Muslims are not a bunch if unruly drunk savages who don't respect Islam and would have the audacity to commit acts in violation of Islam in its most sacred places.

;D

honestly I think non-muslims will struggle to practice the modest clothing laws,

 

[quranalim]

Saudi king to let non-muslims live in part of Medina

Source: http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100511/FOREIGN/705109924/1135/general1

The prophet said:

The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula [Sahih Bukhari 4:52:288]

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim 19:4366

Its our fault for letting this happen:

If anyone introduces an innovation, he will be responsible for it. If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in religion), he is cursed by Allah, by His angels, and by all the people.

Abu Dawud 39:4515

non muslims can live in any muslim country except arabian peninsula, this is agreed upon by the scholars of hadith

Why we muslims are a disgrace: http://www.islamweb.net/ver2/Fatwa/ShowFatwa.php?lang=e&Id=85916&Option=FatwaId

 

[quranalim]

Re: Saudi king to let non-muslims live in part of Medina

sorry. poll maent to say

"Do you agree with the saudi kings decision to let non-muslims live in medina"

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

;D

honestly I think non-muslims will struggle to practice the modest clothing laws,

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/04/28/no...gn=Feed:+rss/cnn_topstories+(RSS:+Top+Stories)

 

[shuraimfan4lyf]

Re: Saudi king to let non-muslims live in part of Medina

There is already a thread about that.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134296970-non-muslims-allowed-live-part-medina.html

Thread should be closed.

 

[quranalim]

Re: Saudi king to let non-muslims live in part of Medina

There is already a thread about that.

http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/134296970-non-muslims-allowed-live-part-medina.html

Thread should be closed.

didnt know . thanks for your time brother/sister

 

[quranalim]

The prophet said:

The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, "Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula [Sahih Bukhari 4:52:288]

I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim 19:4366

Its our fault for letting this happen:

If anyone introduces an innovation, he will be responsible for it. If anyone introduces an innovation or gives shelter to a man who introduces an innovation (in religion), he is cursed by Allah, by His angels, and by all the people.

Abu Dawud 39:4515

non muslims can live in any muslim country except arabian peninsula, this is agreed upon by the scholars of hadith

 

[Life_Is_Short]

Contrary to popular belief, non-Muslims are not a bunch if unruly drunk savages who don't respect Islam and would have the audacity to commit acts in violation of Islam in its most sacred places.

Let's examine that shall we?

What do the UAE's laws say about indecent exposure?

The law does not specify what indecent exposure is, but there is a minimum that should not be exceeded.For example, it is forbidden to go out in underwear whether on the streets, in hotels or public places.Clothes should not be sexually provocative, according to the standards of the common man.

There were 82 cases filed for public indecency in 2009 in Dubai. If non-muslims can't follow these simple rules in Dubai then i don't think they can follow them anywhere.

 

[Skavau]

Life Is Short, you live in the UK - do you seriously view 'Non-Muslims' as one and as some sort of collective? The way you suggest that Non-Muslims are incapable of following rules of decency suggests you do.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

Anyways, I guess it could help muslim and non-muslim understandings which is better in the long term. But it could back fire hugely....there are a lot of douchebags in the world.

This is a seriously seriously bad idea. I agree with the idea of diversification into other areas since the oil will run out, and I agree with the idea of building bridges, I dont think anybody would disagree with that but is this the best way to do it?

I mean look at Dubai, do we want to turn two of our holiest cities into a cheap tourist site? Where believers are to be gawked at by the curious? hmmmmm :hmm:

They will walk around in shorts and revealing clothes though. The purpose of the place is worship but they'll be there for tourism. It will start small, maybe photo's only in certain areas, alcohol allowed in the bar area only, a small pool.. etc. but the boundaries will be pushed. They have to be pushed because to do well in tourism you have to attract tourists.

Your right about that, commericialism and the desire to make ever increasing profits could have potentialy damaging effects on the religious nature of the two cities. Like you say tourists will demand more and more and businesses will have to give in if they are going to maintain trade. (eg. Dubai)

Please tell me you know what the joke is a reference to. Anyway, yes, it really is more the idea that non-Muslims are banned. I personally think tourists will behave properly. Yes, even in the Mosque of the Prophet and if the ban is ever lifted, in Masjid al-Haram in Makkah. Contrary to popular belief, non-Muslims are not a bunch if unruly drunk savages who don't respect Islam and would have the audacity to commit acts in violation of Islam in its most sacred places.

You'd be surprised, but seriously you will but plenty of others wont, probably through no fault of their own. I think it would be espeically difficult for secular minded people (culture clash etc etc). I dont see why the two cities would hold much interest to non muslims anyway.

And you wonder why Islam has an ugly image...

To a (certain type of) westerner the only good Muslim is somebody whos muslim in name only, with this in mind their is little that can be done to improve the image. Though I agree the earlier comment was uncalled for.

I wonder, does the Vatican allow non-christians in?

So what if they do? Thats the Vaticans decision, were different. If they changed their mind and decided not to allow non Catholics in thats their business.

do you seriously view 'Non-Muslims' as one and as some sort of collective? The way you suggest that Non-Muslims are incapable of following rules of decency suggests you do.

You ever seen Glasgow on a Friday night? Eye opening to say the least, but I agree it would depend on the non muslim.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I disagree. Even nonbelievers will never desecrate a holy site and will give it its due respect.

 

[The_Prince]

well we will all just have to wait and see how it goes, who knows, it might never happen, these plans are going to take several years to implement, and by then this plan might be thrown out the window.

 

[Pygoscelis]

Saying non-muslims are out to desecrate muslim holy mosques is like saying muslims are terrorists. Its a completely unfair generalization, reactionary, hateful, and will only encourage the cycle of conflict to spin faster.