Quran VS Bible , a thoroughly comparative study,arranged by items

[جوري]

We are in no way children of God not literally nor metaphorically.

Allah is one.

Allah swt is one and individual.. do people contemplate the meaning of Qul hwa Allah ahad? it doesn't say Qul hwa Allah wahid.. Ahad is decisive for 'indivisible' wahid means just one.. sob7an Allah.. people should contemplate the Quran before asking others if they'd read it..

it is sad how much is lost to others in the translation.. Al7mdlillah that the Quran is preserved in its original tongue and that our scholars of old have done an amazing job preserving the sunnah.. al7mdlillah 3la ni3mat al'islam..

 

[syed_z]

The injil and the Torah in existence today have nothing to do with the Injil and the Torah that Allah swt speaks of in the Quran!
Do you believe for instance that prophet lut slept with his daughters after being drunk? that is what the bible says amongst other things equally abominable.

The reason why you use Furqan as Criterion you mentioned... so we can use the Quran to tell what is right and what is wrong in the Bible ... so if Bible talks about Lut sleeping with daughters We are NOT to believe...... but when Bible says that Lut was the nephew of Abraham (a.s) we do not say NO even though Quran confirms it... so i agree that we believe in that Part which is right and we do NOT believe in that Part which is corrupt....


does that mean we are NOT supposed to believe at all ?? So are you saying we Reject all those Verses of Quran which tell us to Believe in the Bible Scriptures, even the correct ones ?


You know what i am saying... i said NO to uncorrupted and YES to the right words...

So if jesus in Gospel of Mark Chapter 10 Verses 5-6 said.....

I only come to Children of Israel... then does Quran say the same ? Yes it does... in chapter 3:49 It say

(3:49) and he will be a Messenger to the Children of Israel.' (And when he came to them he said): 'I have come to you with a sign from your Lord.


so are you saying we reject that as well ??

 

[جوري]

this Verse that you have referred to sister... is talking about the interpolations they have done with their hands... NOT THE whole Book itself is written by them! No! For that you need proof that WHOLE bible is wrong or corrupted.... Even the European Scholars have accepted that Bible has many interpolations , specially the old and new testament both, but it is not ALL corrupted....

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Which part do you take to be true and which part do you take to be fiction? and what a trap you are setting yourself up for in doing so?
Which christians is Allah swt referring to in the Quran?
Methodist Episcopal Church , Southern Baptist Convention , Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints , Lutheran Church. Mennonite Church, Methodist , Pentacostal Church, Presbyterian Church, Catholic, Jehovah's, Quakers. Unitarian Universalist to name a few, is God's name Jesus?

please akhi just quit while you are ahead!

 

[syed_z]

@ Vale Lily...

Sister... lets go one at a time !

You said so we REJECT even that part which is Right in the Bible ?

 

[جوري]

The reason why you use Furqan as Criterion you mentioned... so we can use the Quran to tell what is right and what is wrong in the Bible ... so if Bible talks about Lut sleeping with daughters We are NOT to believe...... but when Bible says that Lut was the nephew of Abraham (a.s) we do not say NO even though Quran confirms it... so i agree that we believe in that Part which is right and we do NOT believe in that Part which is corrupt....


does that mean we are NOT supposed to believe at all ?? So are you saying we Reject all those Verses of Quran which tell us to Believe in the Bible Scriptures, even the correct ones ?
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I have already stated believing that Allah swt revealed 5 books of which you only mention two others, has no bearing on what Christians say or believe, and I have no desire to repeat myself. Yes God has revealed other books, it is a fact! and I don't see anyone denying said fact.. it is also a fact that said books have been corrupted at the hands of men (so is mentioned in the Quran) so I have no idea why you are arguing?
I indeed reject the trinity, and reject the corrupted religions which christians subscribe to.. I don't believe in dying gods, I don't believe in ineffectual gods, I don't believe in gods that reveal themselves before charlatans and abrogate their commandments, if you desire to sort through that and find a morsel, be my guest, but that is your cross to bear not mine!

 

[جوري]

@ Vale Lily...

Sister... lets go one at a time !

You said so we REJECT even that part which is Right in the Bible ?

No, I said we don't know which parts are corrupt and which aren't which renders it null and void for us as a book!
the only purpose it would serve is in finding numerous errors to showcase to christians on the folly of their beliefs, and those best equipped to do so are those like brother MustafaMC for he was a devout christian before he was a devout Muslim.. Al7mdlillah for letting him out of the darkness into the light.. aside from that very purpose the bible as it is holds no value and we can't say it is from God. A book from God is preserved and free of perversion!

 

[Asiyah3]

Allah swt is one and individual..

Al7mdlillah that the Quran is preserved in its original tongue and that our scholars of old have done an amazing job preserving the sunnah.. al7mdlillah 3la ni3mat al'islam..

Jazakiallah. I can't believe I heard that from the mouth of a Muslim. SubhaanAllah!

 

[syed_z]

Which part do you take to be true and which part do you take to be fiction? and what a trap you are setting yourself up for in doing so?
Which christians is Allah swt referring to in the Quran?
Methodist Episcopal Church , Southern Baptist Convention , Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints , Lutheran Church. Mennonite Church, Methodist , Pentacostal Church, Presbyterian Church, Catholic, Jehovah's, Quakers. Unitarian Universalist to name a few, is God's name Jesus?

please akhi just quit while you are ahead!

Trap ? No sister.... you have misunderstood the Quran i think... we are supposed to believe in that Part of their Scripture which confirms what Quran says... is that hard to understand ? It simple...


1) Muhammad (pbuh) prophesised in the book of Deuteronomy (BIBLE)

a) God Almighty speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall
command him."


The Bretherin of Children of Israel, are the Arabs and particularly Mustaribah (Arabianized) group among them, which traces its descent to Ishmael and Abraham, and since it is this group to which belong Muhammad's tribe the Quraish, the above biblical passage refers to this Verse his advent... !

also Mentioned In CHapter 18 Verse 15...

Do we reject all of this ?





Do we reject this ?

 

[syed_z]

I indeed reject the trinity, and reject the corrupted religions which christians subscribe to.. I don't believe in dying gods, I don't believe in ineffectual gods, I don't believe in gods that reveal themselves before charlatans and abrogate their commandments, if you desire to sort through that and find a morsel, be my guest, but that is your cross to bear not mine!

i dont either... but that does not mean that believing in that part which is what Quran confirms is incorrect...

 

[جوري]

Brother I don't want to argue you with you, I assure you those Christians who come to Islam don't do so because something in the bible spoke of the prophet Mohamed (p) they do it because they've read the Quran and understood it. .. Maybe this is something of value to those who offer da3wa but I doubt it has any influence on these staunch satanists who worship men and are hell bent on crusading against Islam..

so I offer you the best wishes with that but I want no part of it..

 

[syed_z]

aside from that very purpose the bible as it is holds no value and we can't say it is from God. A book from God is preserved and free of perversion!

(13:38)...Every age had its revelation.
(13:39) God annuls or confirms whatever He wills (of His earlier scriptures) for wwith Him is the source of all revelation....


ok may be you did not know where it said in the Quran....

A book which God lets corrupt and a Book which God does not let corrupt , is His decision... he tested the Jews and Christians by giving them the Scriptures to see whether they would preserve it or not.... and many failed.... but Quran Allah (swt) decided to preserve as this is the Final Testament.... before Allah used to send another revelation after every now and then....


so that ahy i asked you How much have you read quran ?

 

[syed_z]

it is a fact! and I don't see anyone denying said fact.. it is also a fact that said books have been corrupted at the hands of men (so is mentioned in the Quran) so I have no idea why you are arguing?

my purpose is to explain and help and NOT ARGUE with you so you do not fall in error in which you were falling...and so that is why it is mentioned in the Quran...

(2:4) who believe in the Book We have sent down to you (i.e. the Qur'an) and in the Books sent down before you, and firmly believe in the Hereafter

(2:5) Such people are on the right way from their Lord and such are truly successful.

The condition for one to have Belief in Allah and to Succeed in the Life and Hereafter is to have Belief that "Yes Bible was the Word of God revealed before, yes it has many errors however, NOT all is error.."

 

[جوري]

(13:38)...Every age had its revelation.
(13:39) God annuls or confirms whatever He wills (of His earlier scriptures) for wwith Him is the source of all revelation....


ok may be you did not know where it said in the Quran....

A book which God lets corrupt and a Book which God does not let corrupt , is His decision... he tested the Jews and Christians by giving them the Scriptures to see whether they would preserve it or not.... and many failed.... but Quran Allah (swt) decided to preserve as this is the Final Testament.... before Allah used to send another revelation after every now and then....


so that ahy i asked you How much have you read quran ?

fact is even if they weren't grossly corrupted, said revelations were only sent to a specific group of people.. the Quran is meant for ALL mankind so there is no point wasting anymore time mulling over which parts of it have some integrity and which don't..

 

[syed_z]

fact is even if they weren't grossly corrupted, said revelations were only sent to a specific group of people.. the Quran is meant for ALL mankind so there is no point wasting anymore time mulling over which parts of it have some integrity and which don't..

Actually the point lies in this Verse....

3:64) Say: 'People of the Book (Jews and Christians) Come to a word common between us and you: that we shall serve none but Allah and shall associate none with Him in His divinity and that some of us will not take others as lords beside Allah.' And if they turn their backs (from accepting this call), tell them: 'Bear witness that we are the ones who have submitted ourselves exclusively to Allah.'


The invitation here is for the two parties to agree on something believed in by one of them, the Muslims, and the soundness of which could hardly be denied by the other party, the Christians. For this was the belief of their own Prophets and had been taught in their own scriptures. Their scriptures even though with a lot of interpolations still have hundreds of Verses which speak about God being One and prophets being just their Message bearers... the advent of Prophet Muhammad.... House of God in Makkah..... etc... many things mentioned in the Quran are mentioned in those Books... for which Quran refers to as "Common Terms"...

Under the light of this Verse if Christians and jews, those who would like to come to terms, if understand what Quran says what is in their Scriptures, with a clear mind, then this would help them learn the truth and Believe in Prophet Muhammad (saw).... in case of Jews , Jesus as well... this would also help those who understand see the interpolations in their scriptures which would help them go on to the right path.....there are many Jews and Chrsitians who are good human beings.....NOT every one is like those who argue unnecessarily....


So its NOT pointless...

 

[syed_z]

Jazakiallah. I can't believe I heard that from the mouth of a Muslim. SubhaanAllah!

We are in no way children of God not literally nor metaphorically.

Allah is one.

Hope your doing fine sister... Asalaam O Alaikum...


sister i did not mean what you thought i meant... i kn0w None is Like Him.... God knows my intention i did not mean to say what you thought... the mouth of a muslim was trying to explain some one something.... so i know that...

(17:111) And say: "All praise be to Allah Who has neither taken to Himself a son, nor has He any partner in His kingdom, nor does He need anyone, out of weakness, to protect Him.

 

[Hugo]

Does Hugo know what Gospel of Barnabas Is ?? I don't think many Muslim Brothers and Sisters know either.... Barnabas was the ONLY Disciple of Jesus who had met Jesus (a.s)... his Gospel was taken away and termed as apocryphal.

Most of this post is copied from http://www.hamditabligh.net and that itself is a piece that is endlessly circulated by Muslims and they easily accept this Gospel (99.99% of the time without reading it) and reject the other 4 New Testament Gospels without reading them either - cherry picking again. Barnabus is not a long book and you can get it from Amazon.

The original twelve disciples/apostles are listed in Matthew 10:2-4 and Barnabas is not mentioned so your post is confusing since every Christian will think of him or herself as a disciple but make the simple distinction between that and the 12 disciples of Jesus. The Gospel of Barnabas is much like the other Gospels in length. Two manuscripts are known to have existed, both dated to the late sixteenth centuary; one in Italian and one in Spanish with the bulk devoted to an account of Jesus' ministry, largely harmonised from accounts also found in the canonical gospels.

In some key respects, it conforms to the Islamic interpretation of Christian origins and contradicts the New Testament teachings of Christianity. Some Islamic organizations cite the Gospel of Barnabas in support of Muhammad's ministry. However, this book also claims that Muhammad is the Messiah among many other Islamic beliefs. This Gospel is considered by the majority of academics, including Christians and some Muslims to be late and pseudepigraphical but suggest that it may contain remnants of an earlier apocryphal work edited to conform to Islam. A "Gospel according to Barnabas" is mentioned in two early Christian lists of apocryphal works dated 6th/7th century.

This work clearly contradicts the New Testament biblical accounts of Jesus and his ministry but has strong parallels with the Islamic faith, not only mentioning Muhammad by name, but including the shahadah. It is anti-Pauline and anti-Trinitarian in tone. In this work, Jesus is described as a prophet, not the son of God, while Paul is called "the deceived". Furthermore, the Gospel of Barnabas states that Jesus escaped crucifixion by being raised alive to heaven; while Judas Iscariot the traitor was crucified in his place. These beliefs; in particular that Jesus is a prophet of God and raised alive without being crucified; conform with Islamic beliefs but cannot be found in the usual Gospel accounts.

The Gospel of Barnabas was little known outside academic circles until recent times, when a number of Muslims have taken to publishing it to argue against the orthodox Christian conception of Jesus but conveniently forgetting the usual canonical gospels. It generally resonates better with existing Muslim views though often conflicts with them so one often finds bits of it used to support Muslim beliefs but when the text does not we get rolled out the usual Muslim argument of corruption.

Finally, the book is riddled with anachronisms, some examples will do: Jesus is said to have been born during the rule of Pontius Pilate, which began after the year 26, there is reference to a jubilee, held every hundred years rather than every fifty years as described in Leviticus: 25, the Gospel talks of wine being stored in wooden casks whereas wine in 1st century Palestine was always stored in wineskins and jars, the Gospel includes quotations from the OT, but they correspond to readings as found in the Latin Vulgate.

 

[Hugo]

absurd to think that the muslims were stagant for 1000 years - lets wipe out the Ottomans, Mamelukes and Mughals - no cities were bulit no progress happend they just didnt happen did they. They gave nothing to the world. Lets forget about them just the way western civ likes to forget about christainty.

I will post a reply to this in the thread on what make something good mas it is not appropriate perhaps here.

 

[Al-manar]

I can't believe all such posts in just few hours !

it is good indeed ,enriching the thread with different views...I hope just we keep the discussion civile,productive and more important, on topic

several points in the last posts need to be addressed, I will get some for the time...

Are you saying that Allah could not make a distinction between Jew and Christian?

I didn't say so...

I look forward to seeing your 'proofs' and to get such proof you will have to stretch back at least a 1,000BC.

I will prove it,without going back a 1,000BC, as we will invoke 1,000 BC to be tested...

has it even occurred to you that the Galatians verses might very well be speaking about you? .

I don't think so.
And if it really about us ,then we should be included in the same basket with the writer of Galatians...
he perverted the old testament and we perverted his gospel !!....

And exactly how can we know that a document is of divine origin?*

Its extraordinary content...

Who is or was the provable author of the Qu'ran? I ask this question because whatever rules or criteria you cook up for the Bible or indeed any book must apply everywhere?

I never applied such rule (Authorship)for the bible yet... I know you are in a hurry to get there, thinking you are going to do better hence....but I assure you ,once we go there, you will immediately(as usual) shift the discussion to another arena etc....


to be continued

 

[Al-manar]

The OT records sins, serious sins, grievous sins for every one of it major characters including Abraham

Ah.... I see you imitiating those genius christians who would argue
A contradictory bible is more convincing to be divine than non-contradictory one ...
A bible with immoral stories is more convincing to be divine than a pure one...

etc.....

I debunked such nonesense in my posts before ....

you won't believe that some people would corrupt the text for gaining statue and legetimacy, and I'm going to quote dozens of New Testament passages showing clearly that the Authors corrupted the meaning of the Old Testament for for purposes of indoctrination to gain religious legitimacy and status...

that would be included in the third type of corruption I refered to before......

not only that , I will provide other quotes (in the right time) showing how would the author plays with the word of God for wordly gain...

just as a matter of interest have you actually read all of this book?

yes I did , and I guess you never read it , why? cause none honest ,would read it (in spite of the cons that might be therin) would say:

The idea you express that this activity made them more 'patiently orthodox' is an absurdity

 

[Asiyah3]

Hope your doing fine sister... Asalaam O Alaikum...


sister i did not mean what you thought i meant... i kn0w None is Like Him.... God knows my intention i did not mean to say what you thought... the mouth of a muslim was trying to explain some one something.... so i know that...

(17:111) And say: "All praise be to Allah Who has neither taken to Himself a son, nor has He any partner in His kingdom, nor does He need anyone, out of weakness, to protect Him.

:wa:

Okay thanks, al-hamdulillah. ^^