Ahmadinejad calls for UN 9/11 investigation

[-Fallen Angel-]

I hardly think you can talk about generalising on this board with the constant generalising about westerners....

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?


I don't think there is much acknowledgement on here about Muslims committing acts like terrorism, especially against non Muslims. There's always some sort of reason why the act can be excused (like the murdering of the aid workers) or it just didn't happen, it wasn't Muslims but some sort of conspiracy. Even the London bombings. What about the hotel killings in Mumbai in whihc British and Americans were targeted?

Firstly, the bold bit just didn't make sense :/
But more than that, we can accept that it could've been some radical extreme Islamic terrorists but the reason why some of us don't is because there is more than enough proof that shows it was an inside job (9/11) and the same could be said for the Mumbai attacks. Keep in mind that those involved in the Mumbai attack were trained by Israeli Mossad agents.

 

[LauraS]

Obviously "what" was meant to be "was".

Have you ever read the counter arguments against the theories? Don't you think the governments and media are being a bit elaborate organising many different attacks around the world and blaming Muslim and putting out fake admissions and threats when they're already in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway (if you were to say it was to create reasons for war). This is what I mean, you say you believe Muslims could be capable of carrying out acts like this then try to explain everything away that happens. When you get hate preachers like Omar Bakri condoning the killing of non Muslims why shouldn't any of these attacks be real? However every accusation made about non Muslims committing acts aganst Muslims is believed straight away.

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

Obviously "what" was meant to be "was".

Have you ever read the counter arguments against the theories? Don't you think the governments and media are being a bit elaborate organising many different attacks around the world and blaming Muslim and putting out fake admissions and threats when they're already in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway (if you were to say it was to create reasons for war). This is what I mean, you say you believe Muslims could be capable of carrying out acts like this then try to explain everything away that happens. When you get hate preachers like Omar Bakri condoning the killing of non Muslims why shouldn't any of these attacks be real? However every accusation made about non Muslims committing acts aganst Muslims is believed straight away.

While i cannot speak for others, you should understand that my beliefs are just that. (mine).
While some people may automatically believe or disagree with something, i could have a different perception. As for 9/11, it was just an excuse devised to go into Afghanistan to set up base and take out the "Taliban".. who the US was paying to harvest opium for them (US), but when that didn't work out they needed to intervene, because like i've mentioned in previous posts the vast majority of the worlds opium comes from Afgahnistan and it's big business, and drugs are profitable for a Government, to fund any of their future "endeavors", while many people here would disagree with what i said, it's facts and people need to stop getting brainwashed and told what to do by the TV, for example.

 

[Zafran]

I hardly think you can talk about generalising on this board with the constant generalising about westerners....

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?


I don't think there is much acknowledgement on here about Muslims committing acts like terrorism, especially against non Muslims. There's always some sort of reason why the act can be excused (like the murdering of the aid workers) or it just didn't happen, it wasn't Muslims but some sort of conspiracy. Even the London bombings. What about the hotel killings in Mumbai in whihc British and Americans were targeted?

Your genralising about the muslims on this forum - as if all the muslims on this forum have a consensus of 9/11. Yes some muslims do generalise about "westerners" but so do you about muslims on this forum.

why does any muslim have to acknowledge muslims committing acts of terrorism - does any Jew or christian have to acknowledge acts of terrorism against non Jews or christains? whats with the idea of collective guilt?

 

[Zafran]

Obviously "what" was meant to be "was".

Have you ever read the counter arguments against the theories? Don't you think the governments and media are being a bit elaborate organising many different attacks around the world and blaming Muslim and putting out fake admissions and threats when they're already in Afghanistan and Iraq anyway (if you were to say it was to create reasons for war). This is what I mean, you say you believe Muslims could be capable of carrying out acts like this then try to explain everything away that happens. When you get hate preachers like Omar Bakri condoning the killing of non Muslims why shouldn't any of these attacks be real? However every accusation made about non Muslims committing acts aganst Muslims is believed straight away.

and Abu Gharib or gutanamo bay are good reasons to believe thats acts against muslims do happen. The lie that saddam Hussien was linked with al qeada (which is the orgainstaion behind the destruction of 9/11) gives us good reason to question the "war on terror" on every level. Lets not even forget about the lie about WMDs.

Omar Bakri??? has this guy actually killed someone or is he like the Geart wilders? all talk.

 

[Lynx]

I hardly think you can talk about generalising on this board with the constant generalising about westerners....

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?


I don't think there is much acknowledgement on here about Muslims committing acts like terrorism, especially against non Muslims. There's always some sort of reason why the act can be excused (like the murdering of the aid workers) or it just didn't happen, it wasn't Muslims but some sort of conspiracy. Even the London bombings. What about the hotel killings in Mumbai in whihc British and Americans were targeted?

I agree with you Laura. The denial of some people here is astounding but I've seen plenty of people condemn 'terrorist' attacks so it's not as bad as maybe you're making it out to be. It appears that a lot of Muslims take the side of other so-called Muslim groups no matter what so long as they are in opposition to some Western body.

 

[Zafran]

I agree with you Laura. The denial of some people here is astounding but I've seen plenty of people condemn 'terrorist' attacks so it's not as bad as maybe you're making it out to be. It appears that a lot of Muslims take the side of other so-called Muslim groups no matter what so long as they are in opposition to some Western body.

what does condenming terrorist attacks have to do with anything? You can condem rape but does that mean just by condeming rape its going to stop? what are these other so called muslim groups?

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

I agree with you Laura. The denial of some people here is astounding but I've seen plenty of people condemn 'terrorist' attacks so it's not as bad as maybe you're making it out to be. It appears that a lot of Muslims take the side of other so-called Muslim groups no matter what so long as they are in opposition to some Western body.

Stop spitting what you're fed through your mouth. Nobody here seems to support terrorists, but i for one support the fight against Zionist Jews and Zealous Christians and those who pledge themselves to Satan, killing innocent brothers and sisters in Gaza or Palestine. Against oppression and tyranny such as the US or Israel, i'll support anybody who fights, but this is my opinion and belief, don't go saying all Muslims believe this ha!

 

[Woodrow]

I really do not know the truth behing the terrorist attacks such as the WTC. But I do know that world wide Muslims suffered more as a result of them than non-Muslims have.

Because of the suffering brought upon Muslims it is nearly impossible for us to believe a Muslim could have been responsible for the attacks that caused this havoc.

 

[titus]

Since there has not been any study done on this I don't see how you can verify it.

Actually there have been many polls taken that back it up. Here is one from 2008:

Which countries have a population in which there are more people that believe that the US or Israel committed 9/11 than Al Qaeda? Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Palestinian Territories..... and Mexico. Other than Mexico all those countries share extremely telling traits: Majority Muslim and deep hatred of Israel.

Emotions are the main factor in believing the conspiracy theories, not factual evidence.

You can also look at THIS Pew poll.

Because of the suffering brought upon Muslims it is nearly impossible for us to believe a Muslim could have been responsible for the attacks that caused this havoc.

I don't see the logic in that statement.

That's like saying that the Germans didn't invade Poland because of the hardships that German citizens had to endure later.

 

[Ramadhan]

I agree with you Laura. The denial of some people here is astounding but I've seen plenty of people condemn 'terrorist' attacks so it's not as bad as maybe you're making it out to be. It appears that a lot of Muslims take the side of other so-called Muslim groups no matter what so long as they are in opposition to some Western body.

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?

Let me ask you these sample questions:

Please choose
a. The US military and government was completely taken by surprise and had no prior information that the Japoanese was going to attack pearl harbour
b. The US military and government had prior info about pearl harbour attack but decided to let it pass because it would give excuse to get involved in the WW II head on

a. The US government had no prior info of Suharto regime invasion of East Timor as claimed
b. The US government actually encouraged and provided support to the suharto regime to invade east timor in order to contain "the spread of communism in south east asia"

a. The US government actually believed that Iraq had WMD as claimed
b. The US government actually created the WMD lies in order to have an excuse to invade iraq


Do you answer (a) to all those questions, lynx and laura?

Isn't it interesting that the US government and military could get more info in 1940s than in the 21st century where the intelligence and military might of the US is far beyond what any other nations/organizations imaginations, and how convenient that the 9/11 occured despite claim that the accused terrorist organization had been under their absolute watch for more than a decade, and that the attack happened INSIDE the US too?
And how convenient it is that the accused terrorist cannot be found, which gives excuse to linger in Afghanistan?

 

[Dagless]

I hardly think you can talk about generalising on this board with the constant generalising about westerners....

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?

Lol even when you're trying to say you're not generalising; you end up generalising. There are many Muslims living in the west. Normally people generalise about western governments, not westerners. But even generalising about westerners would still not be the same as saying "oh all you Christians believe the official story". Can't you see how ridiculous that is?
Why don't you create a poll on this forum and find out instead of just making it up as you go along?

I don't think there is much acknowledgement on here about Muslims committing acts like terrorism, especially against non Muslims. There's always some sort of reason why the act can be excused (like the murdering of the aid workers) or it just didn't happen, it wasn't Muslims but some sort of conspiracy. Even the London bombings. What about the hotel killings in Mumbai in whihc British and Americans were targeted?

Iirc the Mumbai thread was quite balanced. But again, why not actually start a poll and get some data before throwing around wild accusations?

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

Emotions are the main factor in believing the conspiracy theories, not factual evidence.

In your case it seems to be ignorance and arrogance. Keeping an open mind to things is good, and it's better than being told what to do by your slave masters.

I don't see the logic in that statement.

That statement makes perfect sense, and there is more logic in it, than most of your posts. You fail to understand what the effects of all these events have had on the Muslim world and the people, being told what's happening and how people are coping is one thing, but you go there and see for yourself, it's different.. Don't claim to know what's going on or how people are, emotionally or otherwise, when you don't know what they are having to go through, what they've lost, or whatever. It just shows you're a bigot.

 

[Trumble]

Isn't it interesting that the US government and military could get more info in 1940s than in the 21st century where the intelligence and military might of the US is far beyond what any other nations/organizations imaginations, and how convenient that the 9/11 occured despite claim that the accused terrorist organization had been under their absolute watch for more than a decade, and that the attack happened INSIDE the US too?

Not remotely 'interesting', no. It's 'rather' easier to keep an eye on the general activities of one of the largest militaries in the world than a few Islamicist nutters in whatever century and in whatever place. Even then, despite the usual conspiracy garbage, there is no remotely convincing evidence Roosevelt had advance warning about Pearl Harbor. There was probably enough intelligence information somewhere in the system to predict the attack IF it was all put together AND analysed correctly but in real life that rarely happens even with far better communication between Navy Intelligence, Army Intelligence and diplomats than existed in 1941.

 

[Darth Ultor]

You guys got it all wrong. We were in fact attacked by al-Qaeda, but Bush and his administration were the ones who put forth these conspiracy theories. Why? They don't want us to know that they had no control. If there are conspiracy theories flying around, then people would fear the government. There was once a time when a quarter of the country was dumb enough to believe in these theories and that is exactly who the government wants to exploit. Ten points to the one who knows what I'm referencing.

 

[Ramadhan]

Not remotely 'interesting', no. It's 'rather' easier to keep an eye on the general activities of one of the largest militaries in the world than a few Islamicist nutters in whatever century and in whatever place. Even then, despite the usual conspiracy garbage, there is no remotely convincing evidence Roosevelt had advance warning about Pearl Harbor. There was probably enough intelligence information somewhere in the system to predict the attack IF it was all put together AND analysed correctly but in real life that rarely happens even with far better communication between Navy Intelligence, Army Intelligence and diplomats than existed in 1941

I am trying to use your logic:
The US government DID believe that Saddam had WMD and nuclear missiles.

I must say you have very "interesting" opinion.

 

[Ramadhan]

Not remotely 'interesting', no. It's 'rather' easier to keep an eye on the general activities of one of the largest militaries in the world than a few Islamicist nutters in whatever century and in whatever place. Even then, despite the usual conspiracy garbage, there is no remotely convincing evidence Roosevelt had advance warning about Pearl Harbor. There was probably enough intelligence information somewhere in the system to predict the attack IF it was all put together AND analysed correctly but in real life that rarely happens even with far better communication between Navy Intelligence, Army Intelligence and diplomats than existed in 1941

I am trying to use your logic:
The US government DID believe that Saddam had WMD and nuclear missiles.

I must say you have very "interesting" opinion.

 

[Lynx]

Stop spitting what you're fed through your mouth. Nobody here seems to support terrorists, but i for one support the fight against Zionist Jews and Zealous Christians and those who pledge themselves to Satan, killing innocent brothers and sisters in Gaza or Palestine. Against oppression and tyranny such as the US or Israel, i'll support anybody who fights, but this is my opinion and belief, don't go saying all Muslims believe this ha!

I am sorry you took the time out to post something completely irrelevant to what I was saying.

@Naidamar

Q1. It's neither a) or b). The U.S knew something was going to happen but they didn't know it would be at Pearl Harbour. They let it pass either way to enter the war.

Q2.I don't know anything about this event. B sounds plausible but I have no idea.

Q3. I don't think anyone knows what the government actually knew about Iraq. It might be the case that the U.S government genuinely felt threatened by Iraq and made up the WMD story but at the same time the US doesn't really need anyone's permission to go to war; don't forget that the U.S went into Iraq contrary to the UN's approval. So in other words, we don't have enough information about the Iraq war because it's an ongoing event.

Isn't it interesting that the US government and military could get more info in 1940s than in the 21st century where the intelligence and military might of the US is far beyond what any other nations/organizations imaginations

This is not true.

and how convenient that the 9/11 occured despite claim that the accused terrorist organization had been under their absolute watch for more than a decade, and that the attack happened INSIDE the US too?

USA is NOT GOD. It does not have absolute knowledge of every region in the world; it doesn't even have absolute knowledge of its own cities. USA isn't all knowing as some of you people think.

And how convenient it is that the accused terrorist cannot be found, which gives excuse to linger in Afghanistan?

Bin Laden isn't the excuse they are using anymore to stay in Afghanistan. They are trying to, according to their Publicity, secure Afghanistan so it's not used by enemies of USA as a base.

 

[Trumble]

I am trying to use your logic:
The US government DID believe that Saddam had WMD and nuclear missiles.

What 'logic' is this supposed to be? That second sentence has no relation at all to what I said. Try re-reading my post.

 

[AzizMostafa]

Did the US government believe that Saddam had WMD and nuclear missiles?!
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