Ahmadinejad calls for UN 9/11 investigation

[-Fallen Angel-]

You're letting your hate of the US turn you blind to the idea that Muslim people are just as capable of doing evil as Christians, Jews, and Atheists.

However nobody said Christians or Jews or Atheists did anything. Those who did 9/11 are just Masons and Occultists worshiping Pagan Egyptian Gods like Horus. There is more than enough Egyptian symbolism around the US, such as the Washington war memorial and Egyptian obelisks. Again who said Christians or Jews did 9/11? What you sniffing son?.. you need to lay off.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I never said you were accusing them. I'm just commenting on how you completely dismissed the idea that the perpetrators of the attack were Islamic extremists who had problems with the US for say, interfering in the Middle East.

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

I never said you were accusing them. I'm just commenting on how you completely dismissed the idea that the perpetrators of the attack were Islamic extremists who had problems with the US for say, interfering in the Middle East.

Just like you dismiss the idea that it could've been done by the US. Took a page out of your book there. Anybody who kills others cannot be considered a Muslim, especially a suicide, or at least from my point of view.

 

[Darth Ultor]

I have read into them years ago. All those ideas of the US government being involved have been disproven. What would the Masons have against the WTC?

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

I have read into them years ago. All those ideas of the US government being involved have been disproven. What would the Masons have against the WTC?

Wow you seem to amaze me more and more. I'll not discuss this further since you and a few certain other members here keep saying "It's been proven" blah blah, by the US government huh?.. I won't waste my time on a dog not willing to learn a new trick.

 

[Darth Ultor]

No, not by the government, by private citizens. Demolition experts, pilots, etc.

 

[جوري]

You're letting your hate of the US turn you blind to the idea that Muslim people are just as capable of doing evil as Christians, Jews, and Atheists.

Not at all, there are some despicable Muslims out there, there is no denying .. I was just listening to a lecture by Sheikh uthymayen ra7imho Allah, about some of the so called democratic elections in the middle east where one despot claimed 98% of the votes, the sheikh said even when God offered his guidance to the people he didn't receive 98%.. I despise ALL current world governments and indeed do believe that nationalism/patriotism is an infantile disease!

all the best

 

[Darth Ultor]

Wait a minute, what country was this? Not even North Korea makes such a claim.

 

[Dagless]

I never said you were accusing them. I'm just commenting on how you completely dismissed the idea that the perpetrators of the attack were Islamic extremists who had problems with the US for say, interfering in the Middle East.

Didn't the government say that Afghanistan had something to do with it? Then Iraq were planning something? and had weapons? This is the same government you're trusting blindly on 9/11? They've never changed their story about anything right? :|
Whoever it was can be established later (or never established). The point is that a lot of people find flaws in the "official" story.

You're letting your hate of the US turn you blind to the idea that Muslim people are just as capable of doing evil as Christians, Jews, and Atheists.

What does this have to do with anything?

No, not by the government, by private citizens. Demolition experts, pilots, etc.

And there are governments, private citizens, demolition experts, pilots, etc. who say the official story doesn't make sense. There is a whole movement against it. What's your point? Because the US government says the official story is true then it must be true? :S

 

[LauraS]

What does this have to do with anything?

That Muslims just can't believe that someone could possibly murder a large amount of people in their name and because it's the US, "the enemy" who were the victim, it just makes it even worse.

Just as Boaz says, there do exist extremist hate filled Muslims, Omar Bakri for one advocating the killing of non Muslims, but it's not often acknowledged on this board. All that's ever mentioned is the faults and "evils" of everyone else. Anything done by Muslims can't possibly be true.

 

[Zafran]

That Muslims just can't believe that someone could possibly murder a large amount of people in their name and because it's the US, "the enemy" who were the victim, it just makes it even worse.

Just as Boaz says, there do exist extremist hate filled Muslims, Omar Bakri for one advocating the killing of non Muslims, but it's not often acknowledged on this board. All that's ever mentioned is the faults and "evils" of everyone else. Anything done by Muslims can't possibly be true.

I disagree - muslims can believe (or even know) that some muslims can and have commited terrible acts - just read the posts by many muslims on this board. By the way there are muslims in the US - muslims died on 9/11 as well - the question here is why did 9/11 happen? - is it the same thing that the US has been doing in the mid east for a long time - like the Neo cons and there policies.

Omar Bakri, Anjem chudery or Bin Landen dont represent the majority muslims - However the US government has lied in the past - saddam Hussien and WMDS or the al qeada and Saddam hussien connection - they can lie about that - what makes anyone think that they cant lie about anything else?

 

[Darth Ultor]

Because the lies you mentioned were exposed. And we had regular reports of an imminent terror attack on the US. One thing that really puzzles me is why Clinton didn't capture bin Laden when he had the chance. Gadaffi offered him to us on a silver platter. Was Clinton to busy with his secretaries?

 

[Zafran]

Because the lies you mentioned were exposed. And we had regular reports of an imminent terror attack on the US. One thing that really puzzles me is why Clinton didn't capture bin Laden when he had the chance. Gadaffi offered him to us on a silver platter. Was Clinton to busy with his secretaries?

and? what about the lies that havent been exposed?

 

[Dagless]

That Muslims just can't believe that someone could possibly murder a large amount of people in their name and because it's the US, "the enemy" who were the victim, it just makes it even worse.

There you go generalising again, grouping us all into one. There are Muslims who believe the official story and there are Muslims who do not. Just as there are Christians and Jews who believe the official story and those who do not.

Just as Boaz says, there do exist extremist hate filled Muslims, Omar Bakri for one advocating the killing of non Muslims, but it's not often acknowledged on this board. All that's ever mentioned is the faults and "evils" of everyone else. Anything done by Muslims can't possibly be true.

I've seen threads on here about Muslims doing things wrong. But it's acknowledged that there are also extremist hate filled Christians, and extremist hate filled Jews. If the extremist hate filled people don't believe the official story it doesn't mean the official story is correct.

So like I said; what does this have to do with anything?

 

[titus]

There you go generalising again, grouping us all into one. There are Muslims who believe the official story and there are Muslims who do not. Just as there are Christians and Jews who believe the official story and those who do not.

True, but a much larger portion of the Muslim population believes the conspiracy theories than the Christian and Jewish populations.

Like LauraS said, and I have said before, there are too many Muslims that cannot stomach the fact that a group of men who called themselves Muslims would make a victim of the hated United States and therefore cling to conspiracy theories in order to keep their mistaken vision of the world intact.

 

[aadil77]

Anybody who kills others cannot be considered a Muslim, especially a suicide.

Hold on, who gave you the authority to make tafkir on muslims?

these modernist ideas do not belong in islam, we will not call a muslim a kaffir just to please kuffar, murder or suicide will not take you out the fold of islam - although they are major sins

 

[Dagless]

True, but a much larger portion of the Muslim population believes the conspiracy theories than the Christian and Jewish populations.

Since there has not been any study done on this I don't see how you can verify it.

Like LauraS said, and I have said before, there are too many Muslims that cannot stomach the fact that a group of men who called themselves Muslims would make a victim of the hated United States and therefore cling to conspiracy theories in order to keep their mistaken vision of the world intact.

What is "too many"? How do you know how many there are? Once again this is her opinion, with no real facts to justify it.

 

[جوري]

What is "too many"? How do you know how many there are? Once again this is her opinion, with no real facts to justify it.

The opinion of Non-Muslims is instantly 'peer-reviewed' when one of them comes to congratulate the other on a well made observation/personal opinion!

 

[-Fallen Angel-]

True, but a much larger portion of the Muslim population believes the conspiracy theories than the Christian and Jewish populations.

Like LauraS said, and I have said before, there are too many Muslims that cannot stomach the fact that a group of men who called themselves Muslims would make a victim of the hated United States and therefore cling to conspiracy theories in order to keep their mistaken vision of the world intact.

Yea of course, because every single conspiracy theorist is Muslim -.-
Go learn your facts before making claims, and most of your posts show that your "knowledge" on "conspiracy theorists" is just bs you hear from others.. like right-wingers and whatever. Anyone who believes the lies of the gvt as truth.

Hold on, who gave you the authority to make tafkir on muslims?

these modernist ideas do not belong in islam, we will not call a muslim a kaffir just to please kuffar, murder or suicide will not take you out the fold of islam - although they are major sins

That was just my view bro, and i have no need to please some non-muslim.

The opinion of Non-Muslims is instantly 'peer-reviewed' when one of them comes to congratulate the other on a well made observation/personal opinion!

Of course, especially by such professional "peer-reviewers", such as Boaz and Titus. We could learn a thing or two from them...

/sarcasm

 

[LauraS]

There you go generalising again, grouping us all into one. There are Muslims who believe the official story and there are Muslims who do not. Just as there are Christians and Jews who believe the official story and those who do not.



I've seen threads on here about Muslims doing things wrong. But it's acknowledged that there are also extremist hate filled Christians, and extremist hate filled Jews. If the extremist hate filled people don't believe the official story it doesn't mean the official story is correct.

So like I said; what does this have to do with anything?

I hardly think you can talk about generalising on this board with the constant generalising about westerners....

I'll rephrase it to the Muslims on this forum then. Out of interest, are there Muslims on this forum that believe it what a genuine terrorist attack?


I don't think there is much acknowledgement on here about Muslims committing acts like terrorism, especially against non Muslims. There's always some sort of reason why the act can be excused (like the murdering of the aid workers) or it just didn't happen, it wasn't Muslims but some sort of conspiracy. Even the London bombings. What about the hotel killings in Mumbai in whihc British and Americans were targeted?